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World War III?
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This shit is getting out of control. I'm truly scared that a new World War could change the face of the world. The new video calling for attacks on the western world in general by Ayman al-Zawahiri is a huge step forward towards a huge war. It could unite the shiite and sunni sects, both of which have huge militias.
I'm using the word militia instead of terrorist groups because just passing them off as a terrorist group otherizes them and doesn't lend credit to their beliefs. This doesn't mean I support them... I just believe that the key to avoiding a new world war is understanding and open discourse... not general assumptions and bombs.
I realize this may just be a power play by al Qaeda, and the two groups may never unite, but the possibility is there. the fact that they have different agendas but the same common enemy (Israel / US) is similar to the United States and Russia in WWII where we were allies and then fought (albeit diplomatically for the most part) eachother.
Do you guys think we may be entering the dawn of World War III? I sure hope not, but i'm afraid we are.
Article: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/27/zawahiri.tape/index.html
I'm using the word militia instead of terrorist groups because just passing them off as a terrorist group otherizes them and doesn't lend credit to their beliefs. This doesn't mean I support them... I just believe that the key to avoiding a new world war is understanding and open discourse... not general assumptions and bombs.
I realize this may just be a power play by al Qaeda, and the two groups may never unite, but the possibility is there. the fact that they have different agendas but the same common enemy (Israel / US) is similar to the United States and Russia in WWII where we were allies and then fought (albeit diplomatically for the most part) eachother.
Do you guys think we may be entering the dawn of World War III? I sure hope not, but i'm afraid we are.
Article: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/27/zawahiri.tape/index.html
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I think the "left" are smart enough to altogether rebel against another "World War," and the "right" are insane enough to have been actively pursuing another one since the Versais (spelling?) Treaty of WWII.
Bush can't lead the U.S. into another war - his ability to do so has expired. Remember 33% approval? What if the same guy said, "Let's go bomb Iran."? We wouldn't take it.
...So I don't know if this will calm your fears or not... but there is probably little chance of another World War. Certainly - Israel and Palestine are entering round two of a war they started in the early eighties - and that's bad enough - but how many Americans are going to go over there and fight for the Arabs? ...or the Israeli's? None.
Only if we get attacked again, will we enter another war - that's how Bush and Co. lured us into Iraq. I bet they're praying for another September 11th.
Yes - that's pretty much how much I despise Bush, I definitely believe that it's possible the chance of further military conquest get's them so giddy, they truly aren't able to see the effect on American lives. Like Jesus, they're the shepherds leading their flock right into the slaughterhouse.
I strongly believe World War 3/The Holy War/ and their twisted version of jihad, is exactly what they wanted all along. They want to convert the planet to their variation of Islam and destroy all those they disaprove of.
They want an Islamic Planet.
I think their actions, propaganda and scheming was always to draw Israel and the US into a world wide conflict.
Bush and this Administration seems to have walked right into it. They fell for it.
Zawahiri's comments indicate a major shift in operational focus for al-Qaeda. If they have had a master plan in reserve, I would say that they are ready to implement it now. We will just have to wait and see what happens. This is scary shit and I wish I wasn't caught right in the middle of it.
they say a lot of stuff all the time, but theyr relatively powerless.
I think most people don't buy into that until we get attacked again. Even then, there will still be those who blame ourselves - but the majority will wake up.
The war is basically conservatives (Americans/few others) versus conservative (Islamic fascist). The liberals are standing on the side lines blaming the American right and trying to get us to settle down.
The right blames the liberals for not looking at the world like we do and recognizing the threat. The right is pissed at the left because they inhibit our ablility to wage a successful fight.
- Mitch Hedberg
That is a pretty simplistic view. Everybody wants peace... even the Islamic Fascist. We just don't agree with their idea of peace and they don't agree with ours.
The left doesn't agree with the right on how to bring about peace. But in the end, that is what everybody wants.
well ... everything is based on what your perceptions of reality are ... mine are clearly different from yours ...
agreed on that!
Very well put. If I could have put my thoughts into those words, I would have. Great posts.
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it's my opinion that america wants to rule the world, they want to spread democracy in the middle east so that american companies like mcdonalds and starbucks will thrive and american oil companies can suck the desert dry. i think this has been the plan all along.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
I believe that is also true.
Both have their individual agendas and they have been pursuing meeting those goals, for a very long time.
World Wars don't begin until France Surrenders.
geraldo did a story yesterday that "P" town doesn't want straights in their town. they use the deroggatory BREEDERS to describe hetros (among other names). this is the start of social unrest as gay bashing starts up again they piss off the wrong people in power.
add the immigration turmoil and a few other social problems and we're in for a hell of a ride.
not everybody wants peace. follow the money. there is profit and power to be obtained from war. halliburton does not want peace. no oil company wants peace. weapons manufacturers do not want peace. fear mongering politicians do not want peace. religion does not want peace. i cannot believe that there are still people who believe that EVERYONE wants peace. what everyone seems to want is power. look at human history fom fucking out loud. does it look like a history bent o peace or struggle for power.or profit? those without anything to gain from war want peace....but those are not the people in power. i assure you the bush administration does not want peace. whre would they be without war? where would they be without fear? even the most supportive of the presidents plans to roll back our civil liberties are supportive because these losses of liberty make us "safer" the increased power the president enjoys does not come from peace...but from war. al qaeda does not want peace. they want to impose their insane religion on the entire planet. conversion or death is not a peaceful tactic. not when it is al qaedas tactic, and not when it was the tactic of cortez by order of the pope. please look at who profits from war...and look at their place in society...their place to decide war or peace...and then tell me everybody wants peace.
Those are some hard truths. As you stated, human behavior and human histroy completely supports and proves it.
As for WW3....I'm more concerned about that crazy bastard running North Korea. Talk about a lunatic....with nukes. U.S. intelligence (yeah, funny isn't it) says that they've got 6-13 nukes with a madman's finger on the big red button. That's pretty damn scary IMO.
But it sounded great to the population when they were fighting the nasty Russians with American money. No?
Fell for it? They funded it. They know what is going on. Don't discredit the people in power so easily. They need somebody to fight and now they have the whole middle east. Should eat up some years on the old clock.
thank you ... and these people are making all the decisions in this world ... understanding al qaeda was originally funded by the CIA ... there are only really 2 sides to this ...
welcome to the board... do you mind if i ask what the hell you are doing in bagdad?
Excellent Point!
the bad idea or me befallen by it?