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***Which sucks more*** "Rival" or "Help Help"?

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    rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,549
    Let me be the first to say:

    EVACUATION

    .
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,299
    guertin32 wrote:
    Im not looking to bash anyones favorite song, I just wanted to know if anyone thought like me about those two songs. For me, I love all Pearl Jam songs, with the exception of those 2 songs. I just think that some of the "if pearl jam shit in a tin can id listen to it" fans are going a tad over board. If Pearl Jam were a new band today, and this was on their first CD, they would flop.

    Period.

    But, I digress...

    :) - hey, it could be worse. I could have started another "I ran into Boom" thread...

    no your not and it's a good topic but for me at least seeing a song played live usually is the measuring stick it's all dabateable & thanks for not starting another ran into a member thread ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    mattmidgettmattmidgett Posts: 128
    This is a pretty easy one since Help Help is bad and Rival isn't. I really quite like Rival but I can see where some wouldn't. I really can't find many redeeming qualities in Help Help though, although I do really like Riot Act as a whole.
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    DaytimeDilemmaDaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    Both of these are great songs and it's a shame they don't play them live anymore.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,299
    singularity wrote:
    rival rocks.

    not a fan of help help... although when they played it during msg2 2003, i was so f'ed up, i was so zoned into it, and it rocked.

    other than that experience... it sucks.

    i might be wrong but i don't think they played that song that night ...yeah i just checked they didn't play it you must of been f'd up he he he he :)
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    grjammergrjammer Posts: 385
    Help, help definitely sucks more. In fact, I'm not sure I would say that Rival sucks, it is actually a pretty good song.
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    KingmidgetKingmidget Posts: 628
    Rival is AWESOME...one of my favs...such a cool, unusually paced riff for PJ...love how it has this slow grind/burn feel to it.

    I think the Pinkpop 2000 version totally kicked.

    Hmmm..."Help Help"....haven't listened to it in ages...that says something.

    Rival RULES! :)
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    guertin32guertin32 Posts: 205
    rhinomagic wrote:
    Let me be the first to say:

    EVACUATION

    .

    Thank you!!!!!!!!! lol...

    (I better shut up) :)
    http://www.myspace.com/cravingstrangemusic <- my band
    MSG - NYC - 9-10-1998
    MSG - NYC - 9-11-1998 (BEST FKING SHOW!)
    Jones Beach - 8-25-2000
    Nassau Coliseum - 4-30-2003
    Irving Plaza - 5-5-06 (another great show)
    New Jersey - 6-1-06
    MSG - NYC - 6.24.08
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    rival.rival. Chicago Posts: 7,776
    josevolution wrote:
    i might be wrong but i don't think they played that song that night ...yeah i just checked they didn't play it you must of been f'd up he he he he :)

    ah man, i fail big time.

    i was thinking get right.... i suck.
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    guertin32guertin32 Posts: 205
    singularity wrote:
    ah man, i fail big time.

    i was thinking get right.... i suck.

    You dont suck dude... Rival does... lol
    http://www.myspace.com/cravingstrangemusic <- my band
    MSG - NYC - 9-10-1998
    MSG - NYC - 9-11-1998 (BEST FKING SHOW!)
    Jones Beach - 8-25-2000
    Nassau Coliseum - 4-30-2003
    Irving Plaza - 5-5-06 (another great show)
    New Jersey - 6-1-06
    MSG - NYC - 6.24.08
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    FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    I will fight someone to hold the honor of the beauty and goodness (and pure musical genius) Of Rival



    Help help is also one of the best on Riot Act and just a damn good song in general.


    i swear to god im gonna freak out , evacuation kicks tons of ass, one of the best break downs in a song... pfft... and i thought you guys had taste;)
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    FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    guertin32 wrote:
    You dont suck dude... Rival does... lol



    your mama ;)
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    svenstephysvenstephy Posts: 182
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    I will fight someone to hold the honor of the beauty and goodness (and pure musical genius) Of Rival



    Help help is also one of the best on Riot Act and just a damn good song in general.


    i swear to god im gonna freak out , evacuation kicks tons of ass, one of the best break downs in a song... pfft... and i thought you guys had taste;)

    i agree with every one of those statements!

    help help is PERFECTLY placed on riot act.

    and "dude...rival rocks!" haha :)
    it's funny when things change so much, it's all state of mind...
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    bharQbharQ Posts: 1,201
    you guys must all be in love with 'sad'

    boohoo
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    08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
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    EBowieEBowie Posts: 529
    Okay...for all you diehards who don't like helphelp...have you guys heard the guitar solo at the end, or the way the band totally jams out the ending?

    Really listen to the instruments once in a while...I mean really listen.
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    12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    rival is awesome, has stone ever written a bad song?

    help help, is pretty good, but nothign spectacular.
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    FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    All my rivals will see what i have in store..............






    MY GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    MohabMohab Posts: 310
    Rival is one of my favourite pearl jam songs. help help sounds bad on ra, maybe their is a bteer version in the vaults, its ok but not great.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,299
    singularity wrote:
    ah man, i fail big time.

    i was thinking get right.... i suck.


    hey at least you were on the right album & you don't suck totally great show though ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,299
    EBowie wrote:
    Okay...for all you diehards who don't like helphelp...have you guys heard the guitar solo at the end, or the way the band totally jams out the ending?

    Really listen to the instruments once in a while...I mean really listen.

    i've tried to tell them you have to experience the songs live it rocks ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    PJGARDENPJGARDEN Posts: 1,484
    Don't know what your on but Rival is a great song!!!
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    allmyrivalsallmyrivals Posts: 228
    I have 2 cents i would like to drop in this bucket.........:P





    allmyrivals
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    WHAAHYEAH!!
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    UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    love rival..............great funk , layered vocals. one of my favorites.

    help help has a pretty nice groove to it and a nice solo. but i like rival better.
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    TheGossmanTheGossman Posts: 1,120
    Rival has some amazing guitar work, help help is ok
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    not4u10not4u10 Posts: 238
    guertin32 wrote:
    And don't give me that "dude... Rival rocks" crap, cause i aint buyin it. ;)

    Just curious on what others think of these two songs.


    Actually, help, help ROCKS -- DUDE!
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    bharQbharQ Posts: 1,201
    help help, you are and rival are standouts for me

    get right, ghost and breakerfall i find too bland
    09/04/05 - Calgary, AB
    08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
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    OmahaJammerOmahaJammer Posts: 261
    Wow....these are honestly two of my favorite songs off anything "post-Yield". Believe me, there's a lot of garbage on recent albums.... but these two tracks aren't. I guess it's a beautiful thing that people get something different out of songs....but it sure is hard to understand someone hating something you love, and vise versa.

    P.S. - Rival rocks. Buy it.
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    Maybe all I need is a shot in the arm....
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    Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    guertin32 wrote:
    And don't give me that "dude... Rival rocks" crap, cause i aint buyin it. ;)

    Just curious on what others think of these two songs.


    if I had to pick between the 2 I would pick Rival because it ROCKS!!! :p but I love Help Help too specially live :)
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
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    einatshauleinatshaul Posts: 2,219
    dude... Rival rocks

    and I mean it
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    solution pollutionsolution pollution Posts: 49
    help help blows. rival rocks.
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