Hurricane Michael

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,236
    edited October 11
    I think I might need to visit Vancouver :)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    edited October 11
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    I think it is due to the whole “it’ll never happen to me” ideology.  I’ve thought the same thing about places like Seattle that are ticking catastrophic earthquake time-bombs...or those that build houses in lava flow areas in Hawaii.  Anywhere you live, there is a chance of some kind of natural catastrophe, but some places are way more likely to experience them than others.   
    Developers don’t care.  It always blows my mind when I see new construction going up on 50 year flood plains or lake beds essentially...but people always seem willing to buy those properties.  They have got to be either naive or in denial. 
    Well Seattle isn't a good example (but agree it seems very odd to build on predictable lava flow areas). It is impossible to say that you should avoid living in/building on all places that will ever suffer a natural disaster. That's not realistic or reasonable. Places on earthquake faults can generally recover and carry on, since the events are temporary and rare. Modern cities on faults can prepare well enough to basically ensure that they won't be rendered forever uninhabitable after the big one (however unpleasant that is in the relative short term). Their building codes are all extremely rigorous when it comes to earthquake friendly structures, and Seattle is not even on open coast, so wouldn't even be totally destroyed in the unlikely event of a big Tsunami. Sure, there will likely be a shitload of destruction if the quake is big enough, but it won't be something that the city can't get over. Same with Vancouver. Same goes for places that just see more than their share of tornadoes or what have you. 

    The same can not be said of cities and regions that are going to simply end up under water, like Miami and a really big portion of Florida and Louisiana (nor will a place like Richmond, which is part of metro Vancouver, which will supposedly liquefy and sink into the ground and underwater in the event of a huge earthquake). And like you, say places that are built on lake beds that are going to fill in, lol. California and some of the other southern states will also just be fucked from drought and heat. Cities can't continue to survive without an adequate and sustainable water source, nor if the climate there is simply too hot for people to tolerate on a day to day basis. This is also obviously a huge upcoming problem in certain parts of the Middle East. My point is, there are some more predictable/inevitable natural disasters that can be dealt with. Recovery is completely feasible. But permanent changes in the landscape/climate that render places permanently uninhabitable are a completely different story.

    ... I am curious to see what governments start doing with desalinization project though, as water sources... I'm afraid those will really take off, which will help places in permanent drought, but will almost certainly wreak even more havoc on the ocean's ecosystem.

    I think Seattle is a good example of a ticking time bomb.  The Puget sound is crisscrossed with fault lines, Mt Rainier is could blow its top wrecking big-time havoc and the area could be hit my a tsunami if an earthquake happens off shore. 


    Yeah, we've already been though this, lol. But again, all shitty but all ultimately recoverable from everything I know about it (which is a lot, since I live here).
    I understand what you are saying about places being ultimately recoverable.  My point was that it is naive to build somewhere with as great of odds of a cataclysmic disaster like Seattle is predicted to face over the next 50 years.  If I had a choice to move somewhere where there was a very high likelihood of losing my life to a major event (such as building a house in a 50 year flood plain or on a ticking time bomb earthquake fault, or  next to a not-so-dormant volcano), or somewhere with no immediate predictions of catastrophe, I’d choose the latter.  There is definitely a level of “it will not happen to me” or denial of the odds or magnitude of such events that plays into people living in places like Seattle.  That, or they are just flat out naive about it altogether.
    There isn't any naivety in terms of the big one in the Northwest at all. Everyone in these areas are the opposite of naive about it. We're hyper-aware of it, and I have literally no sense of "it will not happen to me" where I live when it comes to the earthquakes. The big one is a common topic that people legitimately acknowledge will happen. That is why all the old schools are being rebuilt or upgraded. There are also annual earthquake drills all over the region. And most people have earthquake insurance on their homes now, if allowable. But my point is obviously that when the "danger zone" is literally the entire west coast, it's not at all reasonable to not build on it, just as it's not reasonable not to build in the danger zone for the Yellowstone supervocano. That would rule out several American states completely (And btw, they say there is a 3% - 14% chance that such an earthquake will happen in the next 50 years.... they in fact have no idea if it will be next week or 300 years from now, just like with Yellowstone). Also, such an event would be a one time thing, which isn't the case when you're talking about climate change related factors that make places no longer habitable.
    However, I would say that perhaps there is some serious ostrich behaviour, or perhaps just plain old ignorance, when it comes to people buying waterfront condos in Miami still, despite clear signs that it's a terrible idea, permanently (as opposed to a recoverable disaster). And probably building any property on open coast anywhere. It is literally untenable land. I mean, that is a real, current event that you can actually observe, and they are still developing just for money, and still selling it all to suckers. As for naivety... I think you mean denial. Not the same thing. There isn't denial about the big one on the west coast as far as I can tell, but there is certainly plenty of denial about climate change here, just as there is pretty much everywhere. And that is so much worse than trying not to acknowledge a future earthquake, because denial of climate change actually keeps people and government from doing anything to negate the causes of it. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,170
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Just got time today to read up on this one.


    What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year?  It just seems to be getting worse down there. :frowning:

    They are shit out of luck .
    Yeah, that's about the size of it, unfortunately. I mean, people in these areas are eventually going to be forced to migrate, obviously. What stuns me is that development continues, and people are still buying properties in areas that will inevitably be under water or otherwise uninhabitable soon enough. I don't get it. Meanwhile, other places need to prepare for these migrations caused by climate change, but they aren't. As far as I can tell, nowhere is infrastructure being upgraded and built up more to accommodate the future, even though it's pretty predictable where populations are going to boom (and shrink), and housing density isn't being confronted in any kind of widespread responsible way.... Makes me very thankful that I chose not to have children.
    When are we going for that coffee? Lol
    Just as soon as you get to town! 
    Whoa!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Just got time today to read up on this one.


    What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year?  It just seems to be getting worse down there. :frowning:

    They are shit out of luck .
    Yeah, that's about the size of it, unfortunately. I mean, people in these areas are eventually going to be forced to migrate, obviously. What stuns me is that development continues, and people are still buying properties in areas that will inevitably be under water or otherwise uninhabitable soon enough. I don't get it. Meanwhile, other places need to prepare for these migrations caused by climate change, but they aren't. As far as I can tell, nowhere is infrastructure being upgraded and built up more to accommodate the future, even though it's pretty predictable where populations are going to boom (and shrink), and housing density isn't being confronted in any kind of widespread responsible way.... Makes me very thankful that I chose not to have children.
    When are we going for that coffee? Lol
    Just as soon as you get to town! 
    Whoa!
    FTR, as far as I know he has no current plans to come to town, hahaha.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,170
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Just got time today to read up on this one.


    What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year?  It just seems to be getting worse down there. :frowning:

    They are shit out of luck .
    Yeah, that's about the size of it, unfortunately. I mean, people in these areas are eventually going to be forced to migrate, obviously. What stuns me is that development continues, and people are still buying properties in areas that will inevitably be under water or otherwise uninhabitable soon enough. I don't get it. Meanwhile, other places need to prepare for these migrations caused by climate change, but they aren't. As far as I can tell, nowhere is infrastructure being upgraded and built up more to accommodate the future, even though it's pretty predictable where populations are going to boom (and shrink), and housing density isn't being confronted in any kind of widespread responsible way.... Makes me very thankful that I chose not to have children.
    When are we going for that coffee? Lol
    Just as soon as you get to town! 
    Whoa!
    FTR, as far as I know he has no current plans to come to town, hahaha.
    I am about to set up a fundraiser to get him there!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,236
    edited October 11
    *calls travel agent*  ;)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    Sweet. I just hope for your sake that the big one doesn't strike while you're here. :lol: ;)

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,170
    my2hands said:
    *calls travel agent*  ;)
    Travel agent?!  Expedia! Travelocity! United.com!!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,468
    my2hands said:
    *calls travel agent*  ;)
    Oops. Already displaying a worrying lack of internet savvy. :lol: 
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,236
    That was a joke brother. Dated, I agree, but work with me a little here! Lol

    Maybe you're jealous?!? :)
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,170
    my2hands said:
    That was a joke brother. Dated, I agree, but work with me a little here! Lol

    Maybe you're jealous?!? :)
    Do you still have a dial up modem?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    I don't have issues with Luddites. =)
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,236
    PJ_Soul said:
    Sweet. I just hope for your sake that the big one doesn't strike while you're here. :lol: ;)

    I'm definitely down for a little once in a lifetime natural disaster action, I would totally protect you! 

    Either that or I would shit my pants lol
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Sweet. I just hope for your sake that the big one doesn't strike while you're here. :lol: ;)

    I'm definitely down for a little once in a lifetime natural disaster action, I would totally protect you! 

    Either that or I would shit my pants lol
    Don't worry, I stocked my emergency backpack with TP. :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,170
    Damn it is getting hot up in here!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,236
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Sweet. I just hope for your sake that the big one doesn't strike while you're here. :lol: ;)

    I'm definitely down for a little once in a lifetime natural disaster action, I would totally protect you! 

    Either that or I would shit my pants lol
    Don't worry, I stocked my emergency backpack with TP. :lol:
    If I shit myself in any situation ever, earthquake/tsunami/nuclear holocaust, I'm gonna be headed right for a shower!!! Death & destruction can wait, im not rolling around Vancouver with poppy pants under any circumstances!!! 

    Right?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,236
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    That was a joke brother. Dated, I agree, but work with me a little here! Lol

    Maybe you're jealous?!? :)
    Do you still have a dial up modem?

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,977
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Sweet. I just hope for your sake that the big one doesn't strike while you're here. :lol: ;)

    I'm definitely down for a little once in a lifetime natural disaster action, I would totally protect you! 

    Either that or I would shit my pants lol
    Don't worry, I stocked my emergency backpack with TP. :lol:
    If I shit myself in any situation ever, earthquake/tsunami/nuclear holocaust, I'm gonna be headed right for a shower!!! Death & destruction can wait, im not rolling around Vancouver with poppy pants under any circumstances!!! 

    Right?
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Sweet. I just hope for your sake that the big one doesn't strike while you're here. :lol: ;)

    I'm definitely down for a little once in a lifetime natural disaster action, I would totally protect you! 

    Either that or I would shit my pants lol
    Don't worry, I stocked my emergency backpack with TP. :lol:
    If I shit myself in any situation ever, earthquake/tsunami/nuclear holocaust, I'm gonna be headed right for a shower!!! Death & destruction can wait, im not rolling around Vancouver with poppy pants under any circumstances!!! 

    Right?
    Show up sans pants. Make a bold statement.
     
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Sweet. I just hope for your sake that the big one doesn't strike while you're here. :lol: ;)

    I'm definitely down for a little once in a lifetime natural disaster action, I would totally protect you! 

    Either that or I would shit my pants lol
    Don't worry, I stocked my emergency backpack with TP. :lol:
    If I shit myself in any situation ever, earthquake/tsunami/nuclear holocaust, I'm gonna be headed right for a shower!!! Death & destruction can wait, im not rolling around Vancouver with poppy pants under any circumstances!!! 

    Right?
    Right! Of course the water will probably be cut off... but I live right near a lake, so you're good either way!
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,236
    For the record, I do not have dial up... 

    As a matter of fact I'll be streaming the Eagles kicking some NY Giants ass tonight, fucker! 

    My TV is smarter than I am 

    Lol

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,977
    In all seriousness, everything is going to be just fine after Melania shows up in her pith helmet and passes out bug spray.
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    In all seriousness, everything is going to be just fine after Melania shows up in her pith helmet and passes out bug spray.
    You big bully!
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,170
    In all seriousness, everything is going to be just fine after Melania shows up in her pith helmet and passes out bug spray.
    Way to kill the mood. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,977
    mcgruff10 said:
    In all seriousness, everything is going to be just fine after Melania shows up in her pith helmet and passes out bug spray.
    Way to kill the mood. 
    Ha! By all means, start a thread! But I was going to not only offer up the sans pants advice but also, no matter what, don’t ask about gluten free, organic artisanal pizza and whether the olives are fair trade after he’s asked her about the quality of sushi joints in the greater Vancouver area and before rejecting the idea of having dinner at the Poutine Palace because he’s  wondered whether the cheese curd used is made from goat’s or cow milk and how if she thinks the vegan avocado ice cream might upset his belly and give him the poops. Be warned.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,170
    mcgruff10 said:
    In all seriousness, everything is going to be just fine after Melania shows up in her pith helmet and passes out bug spray.
    Way to kill the mood. 
    Ha! By all means, start a thread! But I was going to not only offer up the sans pants advice but also, no matter what, don’t ask about gluten free, organic artisanal pizza and whether the olives are fair trade after he’s asked her about the quality of sushi joints in the greater Vancouver area and before rejecting the idea of having dinner at the Poutine Palace because he’s  wondered whether the cheese curd used is made from goat’s or cow milk and how if she thinks the vegan avocado ice cream might upset his belly and give him the poops. Be warned.
    Hilarious!!
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,236
    Goat cheese poutine???

    That has to be good
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    mcgruff10 said:
    In all seriousness, everything is going to be just fine after Melania shows up in her pith helmet and passes out bug spray.
    Way to kill the mood. 
    Ha! By all means, start a thread! But I was going to not only offer up the sans pants advice but also, no matter what, don’t ask about gluten free, organic artisanal pizza and whether the olives are fair trade after he’s asked her about the quality of sushi joints in the greater Vancouver area and before rejecting the idea of having dinner at the Poutine Palace because he’s  wondered whether the cheese curd used is made from goat’s or cow milk and how if she thinks the vegan avocado ice cream might upset his belly and give him the poops. Be warned.
    That was delightful, lol.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 14,013
    Lolo, hope the family and friends are all OK down there!
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    Rubio was on CNN this morning and there is concern for a 100 people who choose to stay, they know the address...they are currently using drone images to match street address’s to see if these homes of where people are suspected of staying is still standing.

    Well if you stayed and your house got level...likely did not survive.

    Rubio remained hopeful they evacuated last minute...
  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,616
    Lolo, hope the family and friends are all OK down there!

    they are doing ok, Brett. just a lot of cleanup ahead of them. they lost every tree in their yard.

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