do we really need around 6 songs of ten in a show?

dannydanny Posts: 1,977
i dont 3 will do for me at least they have so many other great songs ie of riot act backspacer etc we all know ten started it all but 3 is enough
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  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,468
    agreed

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    Yes, yes we do  :) :)
  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,468
    Yes, yes we do  :) :)

    no we don't

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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 2,002
    They change the setlist every night. 

    Let’s fix the bands that don’t before moving on to PJ. 
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  • dannydanny Posts: 1,977
    i know they change the setlist every night but there is normally 5/6 songs of ten on every show
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  • EddieredderEddieredder Posts: 355
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   
  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,468
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.

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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 2,002
    danny said:
    i know they change the setlist every night but there is normally 5/6 songs of ten on every show
    Not a bad thing. I guess I would wish Deep and Garden hit the rotation more though
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  • KC138045KC138045 Columbus, OHPosts: 2,589
    danny said:
    i know they change the setlist every night but there is normally 5/6 songs of ten on every show
    Ten is the album that put them on the map and has the songs that draws the casual fans to the shows.  We as the crazy die hards don't need 5-6 songs from ten but it's what needs to be played to keep the casual fans interested and possibly get them to explore the other albums.
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  • JamnJerseyJamnJersey Posts: 34
    YES..we do
  • EddieredderEddieredder Posts: 355
    lolobugg said:
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.
    agreed but in the end....... 5/6 out of 25-30 songs isn't a big percentage. Even the casual fans don't expect to hear mostly Ten cuts. 
  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,468
    edited July 11
    lolobugg said:
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.
    agreed but in the end....... 5/6 out of 25-30 songs isn't a big percentage. Even the casual fans don't expect to hear mostly Ten cuts. 

    that's almost a 1/4 of the set if you use 28 songs as the new norm.  too much TEN

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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,665
    lolobugg said:
    lolobugg said:
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.
    agreed but in the end....... 5/6 out of 25-30 songs isn't a big percentage. Even the casual fans don't expect to hear mostly Ten cuts. 

    that's almost a 1/4 of the set if you use 28 songs as the new norm.  too much TEN
    Ten is ~ 1/3 of the band's album sales.

    If anything the album is underrepresented at their concerts.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 8,410
    CM189191 said:
    lolobugg said:
    lolobugg said:
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.
    agreed but in the end....... 5/6 out of 25-30 songs isn't a big percentage. Even the casual fans don't expect to hear mostly Ten cuts. 

    that's almost a 1/4 of the set if you use 28 songs as the new norm.  too much TEN
    Ten is ~ 1/3 of the band's album sales.

    If anything the album is underrepresented at their concerts.

    If you go by sales. Which you don't have to do.

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  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNSPosts: 7,468
    edited July 11
    CM189191 said:
    lolobugg said:
    lolobugg said:
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.
    agreed but in the end....... 5/6 out of 25-30 songs isn't a big percentage. Even the casual fans don't expect to hear mostly Ten cuts. 

    that's almost a 1/4 of the set if you use 28 songs as the new norm.  too much TEN
    Ten is ~ 1/3 of the band's album sales.

    If anything the album is underrepresented at their concerts.

    If you go by sales. Which you don't have to do.


    Yeah. I am going to the shows to hear a representation of their whole catalog. If I wanted to listen the Ten album I would just stay at home and listen to it on vinyl.  album sales shouldn't matter when it comes to the setlist, unless they truly are just wanting to be an oldies act at this point. I hope not.

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  • PJWGIIIPJWGIII Chicago, ILPosts: 640
    Agreed. If you want to hear that, listen to Ten! They’re great songs, but they should be distributed more rarely. Garden and Deep need more plays too among the Ten songs that get played.

    Also, it’s one of the beat and my favorite PJ song ever, but I miss the days when Black wasn’t an almost-every-show song.
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  • EddieredderEddieredder Posts: 355
    lolobugg said:
    lolobugg said:
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.
    agreed but in the end....... 5/6 out of 25-30 songs isn't a big percentage. Even the casual fans don't expect to hear mostly Ten cuts. 

    that's almost a 1/4 of the set if you use 28 songs as the new norm.  too much TEN
    thats some creative math!
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 4,389
    Half the audience is there just for TEN.  
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 15,730
    The majority of the crowd for any band are there for the hits. Of course they have to play that many songs off ten. 
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  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Posts: 1,829
    Biting my tongue. So people would be upset to hear Porch, Release, Black, Why Go, Oceans, Jeremy, and Garden at a show? Alive is obligatory for the encore. Ten is CLASSIC. 
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    Biting my tongue. So people would be upset to hear Porch, Release, Black, Why Go, Oceans, Jeremy, and Garden at a show? Alive is obligatory for the encore. Ten is CLASSIC. 
    And Porch usually ends either encore one or two
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 10,593

    A great crowd takes a show to another level.  Ten is necessary to keep a decent chunk of the crowd engaged.  We are spoiled with Pearl Jam thinking that 6 songs from Ten a night is overload when they change up their set so much. 

  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 10,593
    Also...the songs on Ten are better songs than on Riot Act.  They are playing more of the cream of the crop at the shows by playing a lot of Ten songs.  We may be bored of them, but they are better songs. 
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 4,389
    Yep and yep. ^
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    Big bands rarely base their setlists on what their since-day-one fans wants to hear.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 4,674
    lolobugg said:
    lolobugg said:
    I get what you are saying. You need to consider that not everyone is a die hard fan. Big big audiences at stadium shows and festivals.   

    that's all well and good but that is like me going to see REM in 2001 and expecting them to play the majority of MURMUR.  people shouldn't expect to hear just the hits from bands that aren't on the Legacy circuit.
    agreed but in the end....... 5/6 out of 25-30 songs isn't a big percentage. Even the casual fans don't expect to hear mostly Ten cuts. 

    that's almost a 1/4 of the set if you use 28 songs as the new norm.  too much TEN
    It's actually closer to 1/5. I could see the issue if they played around 20 songs for under 2 hours, but with 2.5 hours and 28 songs, pfft, let's not complain about a change of maybe 1 song different. Does playing 4 instead of 5 make that much of a difference? Last tour it was complaints  about covers so they trimmed them down, but now it's about one of the best selling rock albums of all time. Geez, we're annoying fans.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • kramer73kramer73 Posts: 1,945
    I suppose you could save some money by not going to shows.  
  • stankratzstankratz Posts: 183
    Some nights they play 5-7 from 10, some nights they only play 2/3. Even on the 5-7 nights, some of those 'Ten' tunes can be rare or special. For example, I got Deep in Berlin last week and Garden in Krakow, Barcelona got Oceans.

    I understand what you're saying OP, but the guys likely have to cater for at least 1/2 of the live audience who are just casual fans and/or fans who mostly only know the Ten tunes. I think us diehard fans are quite lucky that the guys do a good job of keeping the diehards and the casuals happy most nights as it is.

    Take Krakow in Poland for example - A city they had never played before in a country they visit rarely. I imagine that many bands rolling into Krakow in that situation would have given the starved Polish fans a set of mostly hits and would have played it quite safe. Not Pearl Jam though - 'It doesn't matter if we haven't been here for years and won't be back til fuck knows when, we're not playing Black tonight. You're getting Other Side and All or None.'

    I just don't think we'll ever be truly content. Not while following a band with 150+ quality original tunes and we 'only' get to hear around 30 of those songs at a given show. Not even 30 original tunes when you consider the guys like to play a few covers in their set too. Even if you took the 'Ten' tunes out, there's still a good chance that something else will bug you/me about the set. 'Too many covers'...'Not enough Binaural'...'LAST KISS FFS!!'  etc.

    For my mileage, the usage of Ten in the set is just fine. Sure, there are shows I could do with less Why Go, Evenflow and Alive in favour of something else, but I understand why that can't happen.

  • rummyrummy Ontario, CanadaPosts: 2,178
    I understand/appreciate both sides of this debate. I will always adore this album no matter how many times I hear the songs from it. I do, however, think they could do a better job rotating songs like Even Flow, Porch, and even (one of my favourites) Alive. They play these three songs at almost every show - and play Jeremy and Black at many shows. If it were up to me (and it isn't), these ones could be rotated with each other - especially at venues where they play two nights (e.g., Seattle next month) and then release the deeper cuts from the album.
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