The coming 2nd American Civil War

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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    unsung said:
    You can't inflict violence and then complain when someone calls you on it.
    “Inflict violence?” Did I miss something or do I need to tune into Daily Caller?
    There are hundreds of similar videos but I chose a vanilla CNN one since so many trust this news source.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUu46J_OHQ4
    Whaaaaaaaa, antifa. I was waiting for a Hillary speech or Maxine Waters interview where they incite their supporters to physically harm their opponents. You know, like Team Trump Treason. Sorry, but you disappoint. I just love the false comparisons you guys keep throwing out. So, you’re clearly on the side of fascists, is that it?
    I was replying to violence that has occurred, you kinda left that out and then went right to the straw man argument again. LOL, if I dont fit into your narrative I'm a fascist. Echo chamber....echo....echo......
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    unsung said:
    You can't inflict violence and then complain when someone calls you on it.
    “Inflict violence?” Did I miss something or do I need to tune into Daily Caller?
    There are hundreds of similar videos but I chose a vanilla CNN one since so many trust this news source.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUu46J_OHQ4
    You didn’t mention anything about the violence which had already occurred. You linked to a CNN video of antifta and somehow equate it to the left or Democrats or liberals, yet Alex Jones and Team Trump Treason are openly advocating for violence against their opponents. One is a reaction and the other is pro-action. Talk about straw arguments and not contributing to the echo chamber.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
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    edited July 3
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Americans.  We love war, we love to talk about war, we love to speculate about war.  But how many  of us really have any interest in being involved in a civil war?   To anyone who says they think this is going to happen, I would have to say, "Come on, are you kidding?  How many people do you know who want to be involved in a civil war in their own home town?"  Damn few.  This is just more sensationalist fodder and nonsense to plaster on the internet. 
    you must live in a blue state.
    Actually, I live in the red spectrum of a rainbow colored state.

    El Dorado County (or, as I sometimes refer to it, Helldorado County) is the second most conservative state in California.   All of our representatives are highly conservative. We have more ROATS (ridiculously over-sized American Trucks), many with big American flags flying from their antennas or the the bed, and more Trump bumper stickers, and more greedy developers and more Republicans than you  can shake a stick at.  What a hoot, huh? 
    ah.....Well, California is funny like that.  I used to live in San Diego and worked in the defense industry where I'd say it's 80% conservative.  I grew up in TX and went to college at Texas A&M which is one of the most conservative schools in the country.   Basically, I've been around these folks much more than my own kind.   All I can say is that I know them, but I will never understand them.  
    I also lived in Ocean Beach which is supposedly 99% liberal, but I found most people there completely clueless in terms of world affairs. 

    Bottom line, the world is a funny place.  There really are good people on both sides.  My problem with the Right rests mostly in the loudmouth types who stoke fear and anger in the otherwise rational minded ones.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    edited July 3
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,665
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,199
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    What's  more important to a conspiracy theorist?
    Fighting an imaginary civil war or fighting a rea live lawsuit?


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    His rhetoric is way more inflammatory than anything Maxine Waters has said and yet Alex Jones gets a pass? I don’t care how small his audience is. The repubes should be shouting him down, explaining to their audience that threats of violence are never acceptable. Yet, silence from the repubes. Silence = complicity. Team Trump Treason could have lowered the flag for the journalists as a way to soothe tensions but he is compassionless.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,665
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    His rhetoric is way more inflammatory than anything Maxine Waters has said and yet Alex Jones gets a pass? I don’t care how small his audience is. The repubes should be shouting him down, explaining to their audience that threats of violence are never acceptable. Yet, silence from the repubes. Silence = complicity. Team Trump Treason could have lowered the flag for the journalists as a way to soothe tensions but he is compassionless.
    I hate defending this but you make it sound like the sky is falling.  How is Trump linked to infowars and Jones?  It's like the democrats yelling at Jello Biafra to "stand down" for whatever he said at his last Spoken Word concert.  No one knows that it is happening and if it is it's a blip that they aren't worried about.  You can't go attacking and condemning everything everyone says.

    Maxine got hammered because she is a congresswoman and it became front page news.  Alex Jones is not front page news.  He is page 6 material at best and an entertainer not someone in political office.  Google Alex Jones and only non reputable news sources are carrying the Civil War story, why?  Because it's a damn joke.

    The flag lowering he should have done.  That I agree with.  Unfortunately it's just another thing to focus on Trump which shouldn't be happening.  I'd like to focus on bigger issues.  We know he is compassionless.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    His rhetoric is way more inflammatory than anything Maxine Waters has said and yet Alex Jones gets a pass? I don’t care how small his audience is. The repubes should be shouting him down, explaining to their audience that threats of violence are never acceptable. Yet, silence from the repubes. Silence = complicity. Team Trump Treason could have lowered the flag for the journalists as a way to soothe tensions but he is compassionless.
    I hate defending this but you make it sound like the sky is falling.  How is Trump linked to infowars and Jones?  It's like the democrats yelling at Jello Biafra to "stand down" for whatever he said at his last Spoken Word concert.  No one knows that it is happening and if it is it's a blip that they aren't worried about.  You can't go attacking and condemning everything everyone says.

    Maxine got hammered because she is a congresswoman and it became front page news.  Alex Jones is not front page news.  He is page 6 material at best and an entertainer not someone in political office.  Google Alex Jones and only non reputable news sources are carrying the Civil War story, why?  Because it's a damn joke.

    The flag lowering he should have done.  That I agree with.  Unfortunately it's just another thing to focus on Trump which shouldn't be happening.  I'd like to focus on bigger issues.  We know he is compassionless.
    I bring it up because Maxine gets hammered and the repubes get a pass. It happens over and over again. Who the hell is Jello? Never heard of him. Alex Jones is more well known than his ratings. Info wars is well known. Sandy Hook made sure of that. And no, the sky is not falling but we’re in a very dark period where the normalization of hate is beginning to be okay.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,665
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    His rhetoric is way more inflammatory than anything Maxine Waters has said and yet Alex Jones gets a pass? I don’t care how small his audience is. The repubes should be shouting him down, explaining to their audience that threats of violence are never acceptable. Yet, silence from the repubes. Silence = complicity. Team Trump Treason could have lowered the flag for the journalists as a way to soothe tensions but he is compassionless.
    I hate defending this but you make it sound like the sky is falling.  How is Trump linked to infowars and Jones?  It's like the democrats yelling at Jello Biafra to "stand down" for whatever he said at his last Spoken Word concert.  No one knows that it is happening and if it is it's a blip that they aren't worried about.  You can't go attacking and condemning everything everyone says.

    Maxine got hammered because she is a congresswoman and it became front page news.  Alex Jones is not front page news.  He is page 6 material at best and an entertainer not someone in political office.  Google Alex Jones and only non reputable news sources are carrying the Civil War story, why?  Because it's a damn joke.

    The flag lowering he should have done.  That I agree with.  Unfortunately it's just another thing to focus on Trump which shouldn't be happening.  I'd like to focus on bigger issues.  We know he is compassionless.
    I bring it up because Maxine gets hammered and the repubes get a pass. It happens over and over again. Who the hell is Jello? Never heard of him. Alex Jones is more well known than his ratings. Info wars is well known. Sandy Hook made sure of that. And no, the sky is not falling but we’re in a very dark period where the normalization of hate is beginning to be okay.
    I agree.

    I'm very upset that you know not who Jello is...  He is the former lead singer of the Dead Kennedys.  It was a popular punk group.  Mr Biafra is very intelligent but very left, like way left.  I like him because he makes me think.  Check out one of his Spoken Word albums. 
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 11,872
    edited July 3
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    His rhetoric is way more inflammatory than anything Maxine Waters has said and yet Alex Jones gets a pass? I don’t care how small his audience is. The repubes should be shouting him down, explaining to their audience that threats of violence are never acceptable. Yet, silence from the repubes. Silence = complicity. Team Trump Treason could have lowered the flag for the journalists as a way to soothe tensions but he is compassionless.
    I hate defending this but you make it sound like the sky is falling.  How is Trump linked to infowars and Jones?  It's like the democrats yelling at Jello Biafra to "stand down" for whatever he said at his last Spoken Word concert.  No one knows that it is happening and if it is it's a blip that they aren't worried about.  You can't go attacking and condemning everything everyone says.

    Maxine got hammered because she is a congresswoman and it became front page news.  Alex Jones is not front page news.  He is page 6 material at best and an entertainer not someone in political office.  Google Alex Jones and only non reputable news sources are carrying the Civil War story, why?  Because it's a damn joke.

    The flag lowering he should have done.  That I agree with.  Unfortunately it's just another thing to focus on Trump which shouldn't be happening.  I'd like to focus on bigger issues.  We know he is compassionless.
    I bring it up because Maxine gets hammered and the repubes get a pass. It happens over and over again. Who the hell is Jello? Never heard of him. Alex Jones is more well known than his ratings. Info wars is well known. Sandy Hook made sure of that. And no, the sky is not falling but we’re in a very dark period where the normalization of hate is beginning to be okay.
    FWIW, Trump has appeared on Alex Jones's show, and he reportedly called Jones to thank him for his help in winning the election. Also, very much to the chagrin of John Kelly, Trump and Jones are reportedly still quite chummy and communicate on a regular basis.

    If all these reports are true -- and they are from what I consider to be reputable journalists (having been one myself, I feel qualified to make that judgment) and publications -- then this Page Six (not a reputable news source, btw; great headlines, though!) douchemuncher actually influences executive policy. We have to pay attention to what he says because the leader of the free world almost certainly does.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,199
    edited July 3
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    His rhetoric is way more inflammatory than anything Maxine Waters has said and yet Alex Jones gets a pass? I don’t care how small his audience is. The repubes should be shouting him down, explaining to their audience that threats of violence are never acceptable. Yet, silence from the repubes. Silence = complicity. Team Trump Treason could have lowered the flag for the journalists as a way to soothe tensions but he is compassionless.
    I hate defending this but you make it sound like the sky is falling.  How is Trump linked to infowars and Jones?  It's like the democrats yelling at Jello Biafra to "stand down" for whatever he said at his last Spoken Word concert.  No one knows that it is happening and if it is it's a blip that they aren't worried about.  You can't go attacking and condemning everything everyone says.

    Maxine got hammered because she is a congresswoman and it became front page news.  Alex Jones is not front page news.  He is page 6 material at best and an entertainer not someone in political office.  Google Alex Jones and only non reputable news sources are carrying the Civil War story, why?  Because it's a damn joke.

    The flag lowering he should have done.  That I agree with.  Unfortunately it's just another thing to focus on Trump which shouldn't be happening.  I'd like to focus on bigger issues.  We know he is compassionless.
    I bring it up because Maxine gets hammered and the repubes get a pass. It happens over and over again. Who the hell is Jello? Never heard of him. Alex Jones is more well known than his ratings. Info wars is well known. Sandy Hook made sure of that. And no, the sky is not falling but we’re in a very dark period where the normalization of hate is beginning to be okay.
    But there are people who listen/watch Alex Jones who do believe that the sky is falling. That President Obama  is coming with his U.N. troops to take their guns, that the Jews run the world' financial  systems. That the end of 2A is near so they should horde every gun possible.
    That Obamacare has death panels.

    These are the same people who bring a gun to Comet Pizza.
    Who drive into a crowd of Charlottesville  protesters.
    Who shoot up a local newspaper's newsroom
    Etc etc etc
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,665
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    His rhetoric is way more inflammatory than anything Maxine Waters has said and yet Alex Jones gets a pass? I don’t care how small his audience is. The repubes should be shouting him down, explaining to their audience that threats of violence are never acceptable. Yet, silence from the repubes. Silence = complicity. Team Trump Treason could have lowered the flag for the journalists as a way to soothe tensions but he is compassionless.
    I hate defending this but you make it sound like the sky is falling.  How is Trump linked to infowars and Jones?  It's like the democrats yelling at Jello Biafra to "stand down" for whatever he said at his last Spoken Word concert.  No one knows that it is happening and if it is it's a blip that they aren't worried about.  You can't go attacking and condemning everything everyone says.

    Maxine got hammered because she is a congresswoman and it became front page news.  Alex Jones is not front page news.  He is page 6 material at best and an entertainer not someone in political office.  Google Alex Jones and only non reputable news sources are carrying the Civil War story, why?  Because it's a damn joke.

    The flag lowering he should have done.  That I agree with.  Unfortunately it's just another thing to focus on Trump which shouldn't be happening.  I'd like to focus on bigger issues.  We know he is compassionless.
    I bring it up because Maxine gets hammered and the repubes get a pass. It happens over and over again. Who the hell is Jello? Never heard of him. Alex Jones is more well known than his ratings. Info wars is well known. Sandy Hook made sure of that. And no, the sky is not falling but we’re in a very dark period where the normalization of hate is beginning to be okay.
    But there are people who listen/watch Alex Jones who do believe that the sky is falling. That President Obama  is coming with his U.N. troops to take their guns, that the Jews run the world' financial  systems. That the end of 2A is near so they should horde every gun possible.
    That Obamacare has death panels.

    These are the same people who bring a gun to Comet Pizza.
    Who drive into a crowd of Charlottesville  protesters.
    Who shoot up a local newspaper's newsroom
    Etc etc etc
    That is very sad...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,534
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Americans.  We love war, we love to talk about war, we love to speculate about war.  But how many  of us really have any interest in being involved in a civil war?   To anyone who says they think this is going to happen, I would have to say, "Come on, are you kidding?  How many people do you know who want to be involved in a civil war in their own home town?"  Damn few.  This is just more sensationalist fodder and nonsense to plaster on the internet. 
    you must live in a blue state.
    Actually, I live in the red spectrum of a rainbow colored state.

    El Dorado County (or, as I sometimes refer to it, Helldorado County) is the second most conservative state in California.   All of our representatives are highly conservative. We have more ROATS (ridiculously over-sized American Trucks), many with big American flags flying from their antennas or the the bed, and more Trump bumper stickers, and more greedy developers and more Republicans than you  can shake a stick at.  What a hoot, huh? 
    ah.....Well, California is funny like that.  I used to live in San Diego and worked in the defense industry where I'd say it's 80% conservative.  I grew up in TX and went to college at Texas A&M which is one of the most conservative schools in the country.   Basically, I've been around these folks much more than my own kind.   All I can say is that I know them, but I will never understand them.  
    I also lived in Ocean Beach which is supposedly 99% liberal, but I found most people there completely clueless in terms of world affairs. 

    Bottom line, the world is a funny place.  There really are good people on both sides.  My problem with the Right rests mostly in the loudmouth types who stoke fear and anger in the otherwise rational minded ones.
    This is a good point to remember.  I know this guy who voted for Trump, not as a protest vote, but because he really thought Trump was the best choice in 2016.  I shake my head every time I think about it.  I'm baffled by him voting for Trump.  But if you take away the subject of politics, here is a damn fine fellow, someone who would give the shirt off his back to help a friend, or even a stranger.  He is generous, has a great sense of humor, loves the outdoors and solitude in nature and has served his community well as a wild lands firefighter.  Other than what I find to be his weird quirk of voting very right wing, there is absolutely nothing I would fault this man for.
    "Something comes along and you have to jump on and do it.  You can't stop until it's done."
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,060
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Alex Jones speaks to a very small demographic and preaches to his choir so whom is breaking ranks from that?  What republicans have endorsed him?  Any?!?  His info wars show was ranked 1008th in the US.  Not sure how many viewers/followers that is but I'm sure it isn't much.

    Everyone should condemn him though.  He is almost yelling "fire" in a crowded room.  Almost...  
    His rhetoric is way more inflammatory than anything Maxine Waters has said and yet Alex Jones gets a pass? I don’t care how small his audience is. The repubes should be shouting him down, explaining to their audience that threats of violence are never acceptable. Yet, silence from the repubes. Silence = complicity. Team Trump Treason could have lowered the flag for the journalists as a way to soothe tensions but he is compassionless.
    Maxine Waters is a congresswoman. Alex Jones is an entertainer. you simply cannot equate the two. 
  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,276
    Trump loves Alex Jones and gave infowars a White House press corps pass.  The right loves Alex Jones and is just more proof of their idiocy and complicity.

    Even though the government is making gay frogs.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 14,971
    Smellyman said:
    Trump loves Alex Jones and gave infowars a White House press corps pass.
    That's really all you need to know 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 2,967

    “Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down."

    Donald Trump, to Alex Jones in December of 2015.


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,534

    “Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down."

    Donald Trump, to Alex Jones in December of 2015.

    Brothers in Arms.
    "Something comes along and you have to jump on and do it.  You can't stop until it's done."
    -Neil Young
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
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    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Remember "whataboutism" is the tactic of the Right.  Let them have their conspiracies and name calling.  We will silently progress.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,665
    vaggar99 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Remember "whataboutism" is the tactic of the Right.  Let them have their conspiracies and name calling.  We will silently progress.
    That was Glen Becks MO.  Where's he now?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    vaggar99 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Remember "whataboutism" is the tactic of the Right.  Let them have their conspiracies and name calling.  We will silently progress.
    Speak up and speak out. Freedom of speech is not a crime. Sorry, I won’t go silently into the night.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    vaggar99 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i thinks it wise for the Left to distance themselves from Antifa
    I think they do nor does the liberal or dem mouth pieces voice support or espouse their ideals. Can’t say the same of the other side. Where is the condemnation of Alex Jones from Team Trump Treason or any “responsible” member of the repubes? Their silence is endorsement. And again, we should be worried about Maxine Waters?
    Remember "whataboutism" is the tactic of the Right.  Let them have their conspiracies and name calling.  We will silently progress.
    Speak up and speak out. Freedom of speech is not a crime. Sorry, I won’t go silently into the night.
    your're sort implying that you are one these masked crusaders?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,326
    You doubt me bro?
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    just try not to get arrested!

    passive activism can be impactful too:

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,099
    He is kinda funny...


  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,099
    Ah Portland... so much for ever going back there.


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