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jpdannabelle

Just checking out StubHub and there is somebody selling 1 GA ticket for Wrigley 1 for $2999. In the description it says “Mobile ticket, scan your ticket from your phone” Only 10c members will be doing this right? I could be wrong. Just letting everyone know. Not that anyone is going to buy it for $2999 anyway. 

PJNB

Yes only 10 club members can do this and this is why the new system is broken imo. I said this would happen before the draw even happened and unless 10 club comes in and stops the online sales nothing can be done about it. The scalper will just eat the second ticket from anywhere in the world they won it from and make a shit load of money off of the extra. I could be wrong still though and 10 club is going to have a way to block this. We will see. 

twmills

Never thought I could put price on my GA Wrigley ticket, but for 3 grand....damn!!!!

pjl44

PJNB said:

Yes only 10 club members can do this and this is why the new system is broken imo. I said this would happen before the draw even happened and unless 10 club comes in and stops the online sales nothing can be done about it. The scalper will just eat the second ticket from anywhere in the world they won it from and make a shit load of money off of the extra. I could be wrong still though and 10 club is going to have a way to block this. We will see. 

It's not complicated as long as they enforce it:

- Reselling of Ten Club tickets will result in cancellation of ticket purchase and possible loss of membership.

Tickets haven't been distributed yet, so they root out the seller and cancel the order.

OnWis97

Is this any worse than with paper, though? I assume members did that then and said "meet seller day of show" to pick up paper ticket.

It sucks.  I'd love to live in a world in which we'd respect what the 10C is trying to do and use the tickets for fans that just want to go to the show, ideally friends, spouses, or, failing that, other 10C members needing a ticket.

I think there are two potential advantages now: first, scalpers are probably limited by the fact that they only can sell one ticket and second, maybe it'll be easier to catch them?

I'd bet there are 10C members who do this just so they can flip tickets.  At least this cuts their ability to do so in half.

jmug23

pjl44 said:

PJNB said:

Yes only 10 club members can do this and this is why the new system is broken imo. I said this would happen before the draw even happened and unless 10 club comes in and stops the online sales nothing can be done about it. The scalper will just eat the second ticket from anywhere in the world they won it from and make a shit load of money off of the extra. I could be wrong still though and 10 club is going to have a way to block this. We will see. 

It's not complicated as long as they enforce it:

- Reselling of Ten Club tickets will result in cancellation of ticket purchase and possible loss of membership.

Tickets haven't been distributed yet, so they root out the seller and cancel the order.

I agree with PJNB. I don’t really see how they can enforce it. Once people have the tickets, they unfortunately are going to be able to do shady stuff like this and make a profit off their extra’s. It’s even easier now because tickets can be transferred. It’s unfortunate; but it’s going to happen. 

Saltzy23

This sale will be voided out as soon as its completed.

Stubhub is based in many ways on the anonymity of both the seller and the buyer.  If someone buys this listing their "delivery method" is going to have to be the seller some how getting the cell # or contact info of the buyer, which is not gonna happen.

I am an amateur ticket scalper for all things not Pearl Jam on the side, and I am honestly not sure what else these guys can do to ensure that their fans get the tickets, at face value, and that no one that gets them can flip them for a profit.

mace1229

OnWis97 said:

Is this any worse than with paper, though? I assume members did that then and said "meet seller day of show" to pick up paper ticket.

It sucks.  I'd love to live in a world in which we'd respect what the 10C is trying to do and use the tickets for fans that just want to go to the show, ideally friends, spouses, or, failing that, other 10C members needing a ticket.

I think there are two potential advantages now: first, scalpers are probably limited by the fact that they only can sell one ticket and second, maybe it'll be easier to catch them?

I'd bet there are 10C members who do this just so they can flip tickets.  At least this cuts their ability to do so in half.

But then now it is electronic, can just send them the code or whatever is needed to get the ticket. Don't even have to show up, makes it even easier before and the potential to do it with every show and not just ones they will physically be at.
I don't know how they'd root out the seller.

jpdannabelle

I’ve witnessed in the past with my own eyes a 10c member pick up their tickets and hand them right off to a scapler for cash. It happens. What can you do. It’s a shame. I got shut out of the lottery and then you have to see crap like this happening. 

PJNB

Saltzy23 said:

This sale will be voided out as soon as its completed.

Stubhub is based in many ways on the anonymity of both the seller and the buyer.  If someone buys this listing their "delivery method" is going to have to be the seller some how getting the cell # or contact info of the buyer, which is not gonna happen.

I am an amateur ticket scalper for all things not Pearl Jam on the side, and I am honestly not sure what else these guys can do to ensure that their fans get the tickets, at face value, and that no one that gets them can flip them for a profit.

You do not need to disclose your cell number though just own a cell phone with the app. Log in and you have your tickets. 10 club already stated this and I assume the same will be for the person getting the transfer. The most info you would have to give is your ticketmaster accounts email or even less. 

jmug23

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

Is this any worse than with paper, though? I assume members did that then and said "meet seller day of show" to pick up paper ticket.

It sucks.  I'd love to live in a world in which we'd respect what the 10C is trying to do and use the tickets for fans that just want to go to the show, ideally friends, spouses, or, failing that, other 10C members needing a ticket.

I think there are two potential advantages now: first, scalpers are probably limited by the fact that they only can sell one ticket and second, maybe it'll be easier to catch them?

I'd bet there are 10C members who do this just so they can flip tickets.  At least this cuts their ability to do so in half.

But then now it is electronic, can just send them the code or whatever is needed to get the ticket. Don't even have to show up, makes it even easier before and the potential to do it with every show and not just ones they will physically be at.
I don't know how they'd root out the seller.

Agreed. Can just transfer the tickets from the luxury of your own home without having to show up at the stadium anymore. Yeah they can only sell one, but it’s still going to happen. 

Saltzy23

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

RS65573

I have walked off the 10Club line, and been offered over 2k per ticket, cash, more than 1 time. I don't see how you can stop something like this except the fear of losing your 10club membership, which sure as heck does it for me.

mdarya

Paper or electronic or cloud based or whatever , some 10Clubbers have flipped and will continue to flip tickets.  Assume it is a low number of members.  I assume this method makes it harder.

jmug23

Saltzy23 said:

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

I’m not real familiar with stub hub, so hopefully you are right and that won’t make it possible. I guess I was more thinking other routes like Craigslist or something like that. Hopefully stub hub has a way to block it. Maybe 10club has a way to block as well which would be nice. Maybe your phone melts in your hand it you try and sell for a profit:)

OnWis97

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

Is this any worse than with paper, though? I assume members did that then and said "meet seller day of show" to pick up paper ticket.

It sucks.  I'd love to live in a world in which we'd respect what the 10C is trying to do and use the tickets for fans that just want to go to the show, ideally friends, spouses, or, failing that, other 10C members needing a ticket.

I think there are two potential advantages now: first, scalpers are probably limited by the fact that they only can sell one ticket and second, maybe it'll be easier to catch them?

I'd bet there are 10C members who do this just so they can flip tickets.  At least this cuts their ability to do so in half.

But then now it is electronic, can just send them the code or whatever is needed to get the ticket. Don't even have to show up, makes it even easier before and the potential to do it with every show and not just ones they will physically be at.
I don't know how they'd root out the seller.

Well that's true.  It will probably leave us with more unused tickets, which is a shame.  Some flipper in Chicago sees the new system and puts in for GA at all seven shows instead of just two, pays $250 per pair and sells his extra single to Seattle (where he'd never have purchased under the old system) for, I don't know, $700.  

It'll be interesting to see whether this leads to significantly more no-shows.

my2hands

Burn that fucker on the stake

I don't care what you flip... posters, shirts, socks, stickers, dog collars.... don't give a shit

But dont EVER flip 10c tix... scumbags

lolobugg

sounds like a job for undercover Santos!!!

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

Saltzy23 said:

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

Wrong.  Stubhub sells mobile tickets too.  I don't see how the 10C can prevent the +1 transfer going to someone who bought on stubhub but maybe they have something in mind.

dankind

lolobugg said:

sounds like a job for undercover Santos!!!

He'd have to shave the beard.

pjl44

Saltzy23 said:

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

Exactly. I don't see how this is less traceable than before. Accept payment then meet the buyer in person with a hard ticket. Whatever they were doing to nip this in the bud before has to apply now.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

pjl44 said:

Saltzy23 said:

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

Exactly. I don't see how this is less traceable than before. Accept payment then meet the buyer in person with a hard ticket. Whatever they were doing to nip this in the bud before has to apply now.

Exactly incorrect.  How do you figure the 10C just "roots out the seller"?  You think Stubhub is going to cooperate and bite the hand that feeds??  I see no way in which the 10C can figure out who is trying to re-sell their tickets oh stubhub, craigslist or anywhere else.

OnWis97

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

pjl44 said:

Saltzy23 said:

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

Exactly. I don't see how this is less traceable than before. Accept payment then meet the buyer in person with a hard ticket. Whatever they were doing to nip this in the bud before has to apply now.

Exactly incorrect.  How do you figure the 10C just "roots out the seller"?  You think Stubhub is going to cooperate and bite the hand that feeds??  I see no way in which the 10C can figure out who is trying to re-sell their tickets oh stubhub, craigslist or anywhere else.

They can buy the tickets.  Though that would be a very expensive per-person weeding out.

pjl44

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

pjl44 said:

Saltzy23 said:

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

Exactly. I don't see how this is less traceable than before. Accept payment then meet the buyer in person with a hard ticket. Whatever they were doing to nip this in the bud before has to apply now.

Exactly incorrect.  How do you figure the 10C just "roots out the seller"?  You think Stubhub is going to cooperate and bite the hand that feeds??  I see no way in which the 10C can figure out who is trying to re-sell their tickets oh stubhub, craigslist or anywhere else.

Then how has that not been more rampant for over a decade? Ten Club sections are almost complete white spaces when you look on secondary sites. If there is no recourse, this would be much more prevalent.

One anecdote: a relative's boyfriend got busted for doing this by the Warehouse. Listing removed, order canceled, membership revoked. He has no idea how they narrowed it down to him, but it happened.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

OnWis97 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

pjl44 said:

Saltzy23 said:

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

Exactly. I don't see how this is less traceable than before. Accept payment then meet the buyer in person with a hard ticket. Whatever they were doing to nip this in the bud before has to apply now.

Exactly incorrect.  How do you figure the 10C just "roots out the seller"?  You think Stubhub is going to cooperate and bite the hand that feeds??  I see no way in which the 10C can figure out who is trying to re-sell their tickets oh stubhub, craigslist or anywhere else.

They can buy the tickets.  Though that would be a very expensive per-person weeding out.

Brilliant!  Outside of this....not a lot of options

jwc6160

Going to be interesting as the shows get closer. With a high 10C number, I am def going to be on the lookout for better seats to Seattle 2. If I find something, I am hoping to meet up with or find someone at the concert to walk in with me to use my phone for the 10C tix at face or less so I don’t have to eat the whole cost. That’s prob against policy too, but it is what it is. I won’t sell them for more than face regardless. 

wall232

Hasn't 10c had these listings shut down in the past?

pashapasaman

so ticketmaster ticket are printed? mobile is only 10c?

tschav

StubHub's format won't facilitate the sale of mobile tickets. I'm sure StubHub will be informed by the band's management to prevent resale of them. Wrigley GA tickets were pulled down in 2016 after some complaints came up.

Santos L. Halper

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

pjl44 said:

Saltzy23 said:

Again....buyers on Stubhub receive their tickets one of 3 ways.  UPS or last minute pick up for hard tickets and a .pdf of the file for e-tickets.

This seller is essentially saying, 'Once you buy the tickets I will use my one time transfer and send my extra to you.'

Here's the primary question:

How?

Exactly. I don't see how this is less traceable than before. Accept payment then meet the buyer in person with a hard ticket. Whatever they were doing to nip this in the bud before has to apply now.

Exactly incorrect.  How do you figure the 10C just "roots out the seller"?  You think Stubhub is going to cooperate and bite the hand that feeds??  I see no way in which the 10C can figure out who is trying to re-sell their tickets oh stubhub, craigslist or anywhere else.

You would be mistaken.

PJ_Soul

wall232 said:

Hasn't 10c had these listings shut down in the past?

Yes they have. They have their ways. This person selling on StubHub may very well be found out and the tickets will be cancelled. I just wish we could know when/if it happens, because it is satisfying to see people busted, lol.