Other sites are reporting it’s super hot and hard on the ears. Definitely looking forward to folks’ opinions on here, since it’s the only one of the 3 I haven’t cancelled yet based on crappy sound reviews.
I agree. Had to turn it off after two songs.
You turned it off after two songs?! I thought the sound was amazing!
Thats kinda what I have been reading. Some love it, some hate it.
Your never going to make everyone happy. PJ has never released anything near audiophile, so I think people need to start coming to the realization (myself included) that great sound will probably never happen from their discography. Sounds great through earbuds though...lol
I agree completely. I've stopped expecting audiophile sound from them. I think the mix is a tad hot but it sounds better than the original. I put it in an EQ analyzer and it's pretty much at the max both high and low throughout they heavy songs. But hey, at least they aren't compressed. I ended up turning the gain down pretty good and that mellowed it out nicely. I also looked at it in spec and it's at the 96khz level so at least it isn't a ripoff.
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I'm halfway through the new mix. I like what he's done with Parachutes as that always sounded thin to me but it feels like all the life has been sucked out of Severed Hand which is a shame.
I'm halfway through the new mix. I like what he's done with Parachutes as that always sounded thin to me but it feels like all the life has been sucked out of Severed Hand which is a shame.
Severed Hand is now a lean mean machine. Just too much going on guitar-wise in the original mix.
Ok, I've gone through the whole lp now. I think on the whole the mix is much better for the mid tempo and slower tracks on the album. Gone, marker and army reserve all benefit from this mix in my opinion as they sound more complete and nuanced although the drums in marker are too big for me. I really liked Parachutes which surprised me as I have never been much of a fan. The heavier tracks are not serviced as well and still sound somewhat cluttered. I have an original press so did a side by side with Severed Hand to check my earlier post and I really don't like what he has done with it, sounds sluggish and flat but then that's just my opinion. I guess this album is destined to never sound all that great even though it has some very good songs on it.
Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit.
Interesting... I wouldn't call it "compressed" at all. I looked at it in Audacity and in Spec and the EQ does not show as compressed and the hz range actually goes to 192khz.
Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit.
Interesting... I wouldn't call it "compressed" at all. I looked at it in Audacity and in Spec and the EQ does not show as compressed and the hz range actually goes to 192khz.
Yea, but I think there is considerable clipping. And I feel that is what is giving it the overall harshness. just my opinion.
Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit.
Interesting... I wouldn't call it "compressed" at all. I looked at it in Audacity and in Spec and the EQ does not show as compressed and the hz range actually goes to 192khz.
Yea, but I think there is considerable clipping. And I feel that is what is giving it the overall harshness. just my opinion.
Are you talking about the record or the FLAC? My record hasn't arrived and I've only listened to the 192 flac. I haven't heard clipping in it.
Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit.
Interesting... I wouldn't call it "compressed" at all. I looked at it in Audacity and in Spec and the EQ does not show as compressed and the hz range actually goes to 192khz.
Yea, but I think there is considerable clipping. And I feel that is what is giving it the overall harshness. just my opinion.
Are you talking about the record or the FLAC? My record hasn't arrived and I've only listened to the 192 flac. I haven't heard clipping in it.
The flac. Might just be my ears, but I can hear it.
Compression alone doesn’t create clipping. With Avocado it puts all the instruments at one volume, sucking all the space and separation out and pretty much destroying the soundstage. Despite that congestion, the detail present is nice.
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I think all of these reissues are screwed. BOB was the culprit- creating digital masters instead of keeping the Analog masters. I.E. The Eddie quote about getting some bad advice early on.
Compression alone doesn’t create clipping. With Avocado it puts all the instruments at one volume, sucking all the space and separation out and pretty much destroying the soundstage. Despite that congestion, the detail present is nice.
I can agree with that. I was thinking about compression in terms of bit rate, eliminating the highs and lows of the music in general. When I reviewed the eq in audacity, my first thought was "dammit, brickwalled". It wasn't as bad as I feared, but yes the instruments do seem to be mixed at the same volume.
I think all of these reissues are screwed. BOB was the culprit- creating digital masters instead of keeping the Analog masters. I.E. The Eddie quote about getting some bad advice early on.
I used to listen to avocado. I still do,but I used to too.
THIS.
Also, once a guy showed me a picture of an avocado, and said "this is my avocado when it was younger." EVERY picture of your avocado is when it was younger! Let me see a picture of your avocado when it was older...
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I think all of these reissues are screwed. BOB was the culprit- creating digital masters instead of keeping the Analog masters. I.E. The Eddie quote about getting some bad advice early on.
Assuming they had Analog masters? It was in the early 2000's that I think recording to tape was phases out. Maybe Avacado was recorded on digital?
I'm also not sure I blame BoB. His albums mixed in the 90s sound pretty good. Starting in the late 90s it seems more to do about the final mastering and cranking all the tracks up to 10, than it does the format it was recorded on, or how it was originally mixed.
Just finished listening to my vinyl last night. I'll have to revisit my original soon, but I did notice plenty of changes. Some I liked, some not so much.
Overall, I think it is an improvement, but it's a little choppy to me. The original was loud and muddy, but consistently loud and muddy. The remix does best with the midtempo and softer songs, as someone said previously. WWS, Severed Hand, couple others still are loud and tough to listen to. Army Reserve is an improvement, Marker is kinda as well. The bass is more upfront, but the guitars are more detailed in my opinion. I can hear parts I do not remember from the original.
Also, is the guitar part in the intro to Inside Job completely different, or was that just bad memory on my part?
Just finished listening to my vinyl last night. I'll have to revisit my original soon, but I did notice plenty of changes. Some I liked, some not so much.
Overall, I think it is an improvement, but it's a little choppy to me. The original was loud and muddy, but consistently loud and muddy. The remix does best with the midtempo and softer songs, as someone said previously. WWS, Severed Hand, couple others still are loud and tough to listen to. Army Reserve is an improvement, Marker is kinda as well. The bass is more upfront, but the guitars are more detailed in my opinion. I can hear parts I do not remember from the original.
Also, is the guitar part in the intro to Inside Job completely different, or was that just bad memory on my part?
For inside job sounds like the same guitar part but dialed way back. In the original
mix the guitar was front and center. I do find that the solo around
4:45 almost sounds like its in a different key. Either way, I'm liking
the new mix overall.
I think all of these reissues are screwed. BOB was the culprit- creating digital masters instead of keeping the Analog masters. I.E. The Eddie quote about getting some bad advice early on.
I have my beefs with BoB too, but just curious ... where did you get this info? PJs recording info is SCARCE. As is the provenance of their vinyl. Was it cut from digital files (if so, 16/44, 24/96, etc) or from master tapes? Can you link to anything about whether or not they recorded to tape or digital and for which albums?
I've only listened to the ST remix via Spotify but I'm really enjoying it so far and think BO'B has done a great job - there's a lot more depth and presence throughout and the drums have definitely been raised in the mix, I'm hearing cymbal accents, tom hits, etc that I never noticed before.
There are also some interesting guitar and vocal parts that are new/raised to the front (e.g. Ed's held note at the very end of WWS) but in some places I'm also noticing a sudden absence of guitar parts that were quite prominent in the previous mix, which in some cases seems an odd decision (Severed Hand springs to mind).
Overall though I think it's breathed new life into the album and given it an edge/depth that was lacking before - I'll probably listen to this mix over the original from now on.
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This is a cool forum and this is an informative thread about the vinyl reissues.
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I also looked at it in spec and it's at the 96khz level so at least it isn't a ripoff.
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Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit.
Also, once a guy showed me a picture of an avocado, and said "this is my avocado when it was younger."
EVERY picture of your avocado is when it was younger! Let me see a picture of your avocado when it was older...
I'm also not sure I blame BoB. His albums mixed in the 90s sound pretty good. Starting in the late 90s it seems more to do about the final mastering and cranking all the tracks up to 10, than it does the format it was recorded on, or how it was originally mixed.
Overall, I think it is an improvement, but it's a little choppy to me. The original was loud and muddy, but consistently loud and muddy. The remix does best with the midtempo and softer songs, as someone said previously. WWS, Severed Hand, couple others still are loud and tough to listen to. Army Reserve is an improvement, Marker is kinda as well. The bass is more upfront, but the guitars are more detailed in my opinion. I can hear parts I do not remember from the original.
Also, is the guitar part in the intro to Inside Job completely different, or was that just bad memory on my part?
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I guess its been re mastered only
But i don't hear as much bass somehow. Which i dislike
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