The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Ok, last I checked the legal gun owner didn't admit to being a homicidal maniac before they killed and the foreign immigrant didn't openly disclose they were actually a terrorist.
You want extreme vetting and travel bans for "terrorists", but defend the ability for a domestic terrorist to intermingle with the law abiding "good guys" because it's a constitutional right up until it isn't.
We can pick out terrorists as well as we can pick out homicidal gun owners, but you are only pushing for extremes on the one group, why? My point is that it's extreme hypocrisy, but it's being justified because they're terrorists. Why, because they're Muslim?
Support terrorism, hmm you mean like the US has for years? You do understand we created most of the terrorism and have domestic terrorism of our own to go with it.
You'll never be able to create any policy or immigration law that stops terrorists from entering this country. Blanket and obscure statements about extreme vetting and tightening borders are bullshit. If you can't see that, then you are part of the flock.
I don't think I am a part of the flock but I do believe that tightening our borders and extreme vetting is a good idea moving forward.
Ok, what does that mean to you? Tightening borders = wall? Extreme vetting = bans? I'm sorry, but I see you and others talk about gun policy not changing the mass shootings and gun violence and your unwillingness to implement firearms possession standards, yet the above makes sense for the handful of terrorist attacks that happen every few years? I just can't even begin to understand that thinking. This is part of the reason we're a target by other countries and extremists. We're completely ignorant on how to solve our own problems, but then dictate to other countries on what to do.
How do we make the process more extreme when it's already this:
I'm not sure how being pro 2nd amendment and anti-terrorism goes hand and hand. But anyway, I'm not for a wall but I do think that we need to stop immigration from certain countries. To me I think of a bag of a 1000 skittles. Turns out three of the skittles are laced with poison; do you dip your hand into the bag?
Take you're Skittles analogy and apply it to gun owners. It's the same thing. Yet, I don't see you pushing for extremes on that topic. Why?
The man accused of plowing into people on a lower Manhattan bike path Tuesday allegedly was inspired by ISIS videos he watched on his cellphone, according to the criminal complaint against him.
"He did this in the name of ISIS, and along with the other items recovered at the scene was some notes that further indicate that," John Miller, deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism of the NYPD, said this morning of the attack that killed eight. "He appears to have followed almost exactly to a 'T' the instructions that ISIS has put out in its social media channels before with instructions to their followers on how to carry out such an attack."
The suspect was charged Wednesday with providing support to ISIS and violence and destruction of motor vehicles.
should also be charged with terrorism and several counts of murder and attempted murder. homey is going away for the rest of his life.
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if those "rights" are up for debate and potentially amended, so is the 2nd amendment.
why is the 2nd amendment always tied into every argument? lol
I had no clue trump had bot followers though it makes sense. I follow him just to see what he says.
2nd amendment comes up because it is a comparison. gun rights supporters will never talk about any kind of tinkering with the 2nd amendment the same way people like me will never agree to alter any of the rights in the bill of rights.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Ok, last I checked the legal gun owner didn't admit to being a homicidal maniac before they killed and the foreign immigrant didn't openly disclose they were actually a terrorist.
You want extreme vetting and travel bans for "terrorists", but defend the ability for a domestic terrorist to intermingle with the law abiding "good guys" because it's a constitutional right up until it isn't.
We can pick out terrorists as well as we can pick out homicidal gun owners, but you are only pushing for extremes on the one group, why? My point is that it's extreme hypocrisy, but it's being justified because they're terrorists. Why, because they're Muslim?
You assumed a lot of things with no evidence. I haven’t stayed my opinion of border security. I’m simply drawing a line to why people react differently to different situations.
As cold as this sounds, I think the news should report the story like it was a tragic car accident and move on. Police arrested the guy. Case closed. Don't give the terrorists a reason to do this again (i.e., mass hysteria). 6,767 other people died on the same day in the US (based on 2008 average data). Don't go to war over this. Don't hate Muslims over this. Report the story and move on.
Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody.
Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
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Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody.
Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions.
Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody.
Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions.
There is clear evidence pointing the finger at white males for mass shootings and black males for gang violence, so it's pretty comparable really. Some folks say ban all Muslims, some folks say ban all guns... Neither of them is right, but both of them have evidence to back their claims.
The main difference is that banning Muslims causes unnecessary and genuine suffering to families and little children, banning guns causes butthurt to hobbyists.
Funny that the stories are now coming out that this guy is complaining about his gunshot wound, asking to hang ISIS flags in his hospital room, and very happy that people are dead while wishing he would have done more murdering. Yeah, he will be a great candidate for rehabilitation.
The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot. If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist. Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up. I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot. If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist. Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up. Your posts are garbage and I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
I'm sure the white race will survive this slight, even the reddest necks amongst us. I would argue getting upset over such things is unhealthy.
The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot. If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist. Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up. Your posts are garbage and I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
I'm sure the white race will survive this slight, even the reddest necks amongst us. I would argue getting upset over such things is unhealthy.
I personally enjoy Halifax's posts.
I'm not upset at all. I just like to point out that if this post was made about any other race or gender the backlash would be enormous. The Garbage comment was wrong. I should say the amount of posts is unhealthy. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot. If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist. Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up. I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
“The Jews.” Because we know they’re all the same, right? Funny how you focused on my post but not any of the other truly racist or bigoted posts that have been made in defense of Trump or white supremacy in general. I’m sorry my healthy obsession with a racist, bigoted, misogynistic president and his supporters bothers you. Guess I touched a nerve? Please let me know when it’s okay to talk about mass shootings after the next one. Thanks.
The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot. If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist. Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up. I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
“The Jews.” Because we know they’re all the same, right? Funny how you focused on my post but not any of the other truly racist or bigoted posts that have been made in defense of Trump or white supremacy in general. I’m sorry my healthy obsession with a racist, bigoted, misogynistic president and his supporters bothers you. Guess I touched a nerve? Please let me know when it’s okay to talk about mass shootings after the next one. Thanks.
I hate to do this and I promise I will never use this stupid argument phrase again, but isnt this a classic case of the overused on this board "whata-aboutism"?
The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot. If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist.
I think you are correct. "Some" might even run to the mods.
Funny that the stories are now coming out that this guy is complaining about his gunshot wound, asking to hang ISIS flags in his hospital room, and very happy that people are dead while wishing he would have done more murdering. Yeah, he will be a great candidate for rehabilitation.
It's really unfortunate this poor little rodent isn't complaining about a gunshot wound that blew his balls off. Someone please... take that ISIS flag and wrap it around his throat- really really tight for about five minutes.
He's a piece of shit mass murderer. Check that... terrorist. Gee... I almost allowed myself to be influenced.
Support terrorism, hmm you mean like the US has for years? You do understand we created most of the terrorism and have domestic terrorism of our own to go with it.
You'll never be able to create any policy or immigration law that stops terrorists from entering this country. Blanket and obscure statements about extreme vetting and tightening borders are bullshit. If you can't see that, then you are part of the flock.
I don't think I am a part of the flock but I do believe that tightening our borders and extreme vetting is a good idea moving forward.
Ok, what does that mean to you? Tightening borders = wall? Extreme vetting = bans? I'm sorry, but I see you and others talk about gun policy not changing the mass shootings and gun violence and your unwillingness to implement firearms possession standards, yet the above makes sense for the handful of terrorist attacks that happen every few years? I just can't even begin to understand that thinking. This is part of the reason we're a target by other countries and extremists. We're completely ignorant on how to solve our own problems, but then dictate to other countries on what to do.
How do we make the process more extreme when it's already this:
I'm not sure how being pro 2nd amendment and anti-terrorism goes hand and hand. But anyway, I'm not for a wall but I do think that we need to stop immigration from certain countries. To me I think of a bag of a 1000 skittles. Turns out three of the skittles are laced with poison; do you dip your hand into the bag?
Take you're Skittles analogy and apply it to gun owners. It's the same thing. Yet, I don't see you pushing for extremes on that topic. Why?
I've come up with several ideas when dealing with the second amendment (mental/criminal background checks, registration, etc.); what exactly are you trying to say?
The gun issue and terrorist issue are different. There’s millions of good gun owners and no good terrorists
Until a gun owner becomes a terrorist and y’all look at your shoes, shuffle yer feet and exclaim, awe shucks ain’t no time to talk 2nd rule ‘till we’re done gettin rid of them and everyone has a gun like in Olden days, reckon right pappy? Hmmm, hmmmm.
Your “stereotypical” accent makes you out to be a bigot. If you made any remarks like this in an African American, Mexican or other accent you’d be labeled a major racist. Try making a stereotypical remark like this about the Jews and see where you end up. I’m beginning to think you’ve become obsessed in a very bad way about Trump.....it appears unhealthy.
Because when someone makes fun of us white folks it taps into how we’ve been at the receiving end of racism and discrimination for centuries?
Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody.
Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions.
The evidence you’re supposedly referring to, (which is really just bad logic) could easily be applied to men. Nearly all violence is committed by men. Ket’s point the finger at them instead of narrowing it down to religion or certain countries.
Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody.
Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions.
The evidence you’re supposedly referring to, (which is really just bad logic) could easily be applied to men. Nearly all violence is committed by men. Ket’s point the finger at them instead of narrowing it down to religion or certain countries.
It’s ok to say men or more violent than women because it is true. Someone in the comments before said African American men are more violent then white men, ( I haven’t checked into this, ) but if that is true, then it’s just true. Not racist. If more white men do mass shootings then that’s also a fact. It’s also a fact that Islam has been skewed and some evil people have taken over it, and are causing terrorism all over Europe and in some cases the United States. I don’t see any problem with using evidence the make claims.
That being said, I am very pro immigration and think the good people in the world outweigh the bad. I think gun solutions on the left are too extreme mad immigration solutions on the right are too extreme. But facts are facts. We won’t solve issues until we can al accept this.
Radicals Islam is a problem. Gun violence is a problem. This isn’t news to anybody.
Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
Sadly there is evidence, justifying the finger pointing at specific countries and religions.
The evidence you’re supposedly referring to, (which is really just bad logic) could easily be applied to men. Nearly all violence is committed by men. Ket’s point the finger at them instead of narrowing it down to religion or certain countries.
It’s ok to say men or more violent than women because it is true. Someone in the comments before said African American men are more violent then white men, ( I haven’t checked into this, ) but if that is true, then it’s just true. Not racist. If more white men do mass shootings then that’s also a fact. It’s also a fact that Islam has been skewed and some evil people have taken over it, and are causing terrorism all over Europe and in some cases the United States. I don’t see any problem with using evidence the make claims.
That being said, I am very pro immigration and think the good people in the world outweigh the bad. I think gun solutions on the left are too extreme mad immigration solutions on the right are too extreme. But facts are facts. We won’t solve issues until we can al accept this.
It is categorically not true that African American men are more violent than white men. I'm amazed that this even needs to be pointed out, though I probably shouldn't be, given the comments we see on here and the rise again of the white supremacist movement.
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You want extreme vetting and travel bans for "terrorists", but defend the ability for a domestic terrorist to intermingle with the law abiding "good guys" because it's a constitutional right up until it isn't.
We can pick out terrorists as well as we can pick out homicidal gun owners, but you are only pushing for extremes on the one group, why? My point is that it's extreme hypocrisy, but it's being justified because they're terrorists. Why, because they're Muslim?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
As cold as this sounds, I think the news should report the story like it was a tragic car accident and move on. Police arrested the guy. Case closed. Don't give the terrorists a reason to do this again (i.e., mass hysteria). 6,767 other people died on the same day in the US (based on 2008 average data). Don't go to war over this. Don't hate Muslims over this. Report the story and move on.
Violence is a problem. The trouble is, how to predict who will be violent and when? Hint - it isn't just pointing out people from certain specific countries or specific religions.
Some folks say ban all Muslims, some folks say ban all guns...
Neither of them is right, but both of them have evidence to back their claims.
The main difference is that banning Muslims causes unnecessary and genuine suffering to families and little children, banning guns causes butthurt to hobbyists.
Funny that the stories are now coming out that this guy is complaining about his gunshot wound, asking to hang ISIS flags in his hospital room, and very happy that people are dead while wishing he would have done more murdering. Yeah, he will be a great candidate for rehabilitation.
I personally enjoy Halifax's posts.
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It's really unfortunate this poor little rodent isn't complaining about a gunshot wound that blew his balls off. Someone please... take that ISIS flag and wrap it around his throat- really really tight for about five minutes.
He's a piece of shit mass murderer. Check that... terrorist. Gee... I almost allowed myself to be influenced.
That being said, I am very pro immigration and think the good people in the world outweigh the bad. I think gun solutions on the left are too extreme mad immigration solutions on the right are too extreme. But facts are facts. We won’t solve issues until we can al accept this.