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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    edited September 2018
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    We're at war because of 9/11?  That simple?  Surely not.
    Which declared war are we involved in that isn’t a direct result of 9/11?
    (Obviously I am not talking the continued war in Korea since 1950.)

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    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    A nation constantly at war produces a violent society. A violent society with easy access to firearms and which glorifies violence. Relevant. How many Americans were shot today or yesterday?
    No clue. Did you post any articles on non white shooters or are you sticking the same course?  
    Feel free to peruse the link and try to discern the race of the shooter and victim, seeing how so concerned you are as gun violence relates to race.

     http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
     
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    edited September 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    A nation constantly at war produces a violent society. A violent society with easy access to firearms and which glorifies violence. Relevant. How many Americans were shot today or yesterday?
    No clue. Did you post any articles on non white shooters or are you sticking the same course?  
    Feel free to peruse the link and try to discern the race of the shooter and victim, seeing how so concerned you are as gun violence relates to race.

     http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
     
    Congratulations!  Your first objective post.  Nice job bud. I am proud of you. I am not concerned by race but the way you link stories one would think every gun related crime was committed by a white male. 

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    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    A nation constantly at war produces a violent society. A violent society with easy access to firearms and which glorifies violence. Relevant. How many Americans were shot today or yesterday?
    No clue. Did you post any articles on non white shooters or are you sticking the same course?  
    Feel free to peruse the link and try to discern the race of the shooter and victim, seeing how so concerned you are as gun violence relates to race.

     http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
     
    Congratulations!  Your first objective post.  Nice job bud. I am proud of you. 

    I’m just getting warmed up.
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    “Responsible,” until they’re not.

    Woman kills husband at Walmart in front of 3 children, cops say - Fox News https://apple.news/AG0NdkGliTFC8igCB8dk_ug
     
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    “Responsible,” until they’re not.

    Woman kills husband at Walmart in front of 3 children, cops say - Fox News https://apple.news/AG0NdkGliTFC8igCB8dk_ug
     
    And how exactly does this have to do with John McCain?  Was there a war declared after this senseless murder?
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited September 2018
    Still at war because of 9/11......... 17 years later... because of 19 assholes with BOXCUTTERS... hilarious

    #suckers
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    mcgruff10 said:
    “Responsible,” until they’re not.

    Woman kills husband at Walmart in front of 3 children, cops say - Fox News https://apple.news/AG0NdkGliTFC8igCB8dk_ug
     
    And how exactly does this have to do with John McCain?  Was there a war declared after this senseless murder?
    Your the one claiming that America’s war mongering has nothing to do with its gun violence. I beg to differ. You sound angry. Are you angry?
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    edited September 2018
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    We're at war because of 9/11?  That simple?  Surely not.
    Of course not. Like the US was never at war before 9/11. There are many reasons the US is consistently at war, but a big one is the glorification of violence, conquest and the American hero. 

    Thanks captain for informing the world that the United States  was in wars before 9/11. Who knew?  
    However the declared wars we are in now is in response to 9/11 and have zero to do with the second amendment. 

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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    The daily war here in our country has something to do with 2A

    How many fatalities, injuries, and related issues such as trauma exposure and PTSD are happening here daily? We just happen to live in a pretty nice and comfortable war zone... pass the popcorn
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    my2hands said:
    The daily war here in our country has something to do with 2A

    How many fatalities, injuries, and related issues such as trauma exposure and PTSD are happening here daily? We just happen to live in a pretty nice and comfortable war zone... pass the popcorn
    It is no where near a war but yes, gun violence is obviously linked to the second amendment here in the United States.  However the second amendment had absolutely nothing to do with any wars being fought.  It s not like we are invading countries with a byow mentality. 

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,719
    Wherein, yet again, all threads become another gun thread, lol!

    Say, speaking of war (since that too is crammed into this thread), here's a book that sheds some interesting light on why we were at war in the south pacific (that part of WWII) Vietnam, Cambodia and Korea.   Things are not always what they seem.  Highly recommended:


    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    The daily war here in our country has something to do with 2A

    How many fatalities, injuries, and related issues such as trauma exposure and PTSD are happening here daily? We just happen to live in a pretty nice and comfortable war zone... pass the popcorn
    It is no where near a war but yes

    Depends what neighborhood you're in... 

    Or maybe just a random time and place... being in the crowd at that music festival didn't feel like a war with live fire reigning down? 
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    my2hands said:
    Still at war because of 9/11......... 17 years later... because of 19 assholes with BOXCUTTERS... hilarious

    #suckers
    Remember WTC7.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    We're at war because of 9/11?  That simple?  Surely not.
    Of course not. Like the US was never at war before 9/11. There are many reasons the US is consistently at war, but a big one is the glorification of violence, conquest and the American hero. 

    Thanks captain for informing the world that the United States  was in wars before 9/11. Who knew?  
    However the declared wars we are in now is in response to 9/11 and have zero to do with the second amendment. 

    These are not declared wars.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    unsung said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    We're at war because of 9/11?  That simple?  Surely not.
    Of course not. Like the US was never at war before 9/11. There are many reasons the US is consistently at war, but a big one is the glorification of violence, conquest and the American hero. 

    Thanks captain for informing the world that the United States  was in wars before 9/11. Who knew?  
    However the declared wars we are in now is in response to 9/11 and have zero to do with the second amendment. 

    These are not declared wars.

    You would be correct, last time was 1941. My bad On that. 
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    no worries.  It is part of my disgust with US foreign policy.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    unsung said:
    no worries.  It is part of my disgust with US foreign policy.
    Look out, my2hands and unsung are on the same page. 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,826
    edited September 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    We're at war because of 9/11?  That simple?  Surely not.
    Of course not. Like the US was never at war before 9/11. There are many reasons the US is consistently at war, but a big one is the glorification of violence, conquest and the American hero. 

    Thanks captain for informing the world that the United States  was in wars before 9/11. Who knew?  
    However the declared wars we are in now is in response to 9/11 and have zero to do with the second amendment. 

    Maybe you should be a little more precise in your posts, then. Not my fault you didn’t say what you meant. 

     
    And it takes a special form of concrete thinking not to see the link between all the different facets of American fascination with weapons, gun violence and war. 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,826
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    Using the “you can’t have an opinion on anything American if you’re not American” is just plain weak. 
     
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    Using the “you can’t have an opinion on anything American if you’re not American” is just plain weak. 
     
    Especially considering we are just one human race with imaginary lines between us that really mean nothing 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,008
    edited September 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    Using the “you can’t have an opinion on anything American if you’re not American” is just plain weak. 
     
    I didn't take that as what he said at all.
    The conversation went from Mcgruff saying our wars are because of 9/11. Often made the giant leap to assuming that meant all wars are because of 9/11, and pointed out the very obvious fact that we've been at wars before 9/11. Gruff corrected the obvious by saying of course not, just wars sense. So then that was taken as him saying "shut up if your not American."
    Some crazy leaps in there.
    And also, the entire country wanted to go to war on September 12. Everyone, on both sides. Not just the war-loving. Going to war wasn't the problem. Not having an end-game was.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,883
    edited September 2018
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    Using the “you can’t have an opinion on anything American if you’re not American” is just plain weak. 
     
    I didn't take that as what he said at all.
    The conversation went from Mcgruff saying our wars are because of 9/11. Often made the giant leap to assuming that meant all wars are because of 9/11, and pointed out the very obvious fact that we've been at wars before 9/11. Gruff corrected the obvious by saying of course not, just wars sense. So then that was taken as him saying "shut up if your not American."
    Some crazy leaps in there.
    And also, the entire country wanted to go to war on September 12. Everyone, on both sides. Not just the war-loving. Going to war wasn't the problem. Not having an end-game was.
    I don’t know what the end game is.  It is  hard to conquer an idea; 17 years later we are still in Afghanistan, when will it end?

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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    my2hands said:
    unsung said:
    no worries.  It is part of my disgust with US foreign policy.
    Look out, my2hands and unsung are on the same page. 
    You’ll come around eventually.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    Using the “you can’t have an opinion on anything American if you’re not American” is just plain weak. 
     
    Especially considering we are just one human race with imaginary lines between us that really mean nothing 
    Err, maybe not.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    unsung said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Who the fuck  mourns over the death of a war monger politician, especially this one.  Wonder how many real important people to society passed away unnoticed while America was sending this war monger off.
    His daughter for one. You know, the one in the picture that either some crazy trump supporter or some crazy anti-McCain person is pointing their gun at. 


    How many daughters lost their lives due to his war mongering?  Megan McCain isn’t special.
    How many have lost their lives due to your fear and need for everyone to have guns? You and people like you are the new warmongers.
    Alex, may I have Things That Have Absolutely Nothing to do with Each Other for $500, please?
    Huh. War and guns and America have nothing to do with the other. Who would have thought?
    Correct.  War with other countries and the second amendment have zero to do with each other. 
    Nope. Both are tied in with your American values and self concept. 
     
    No they don’t.  One has nothing to do with another.  I know you feel that you and Halifax know all things American being north of the border but you are completely wrong. I like guns and enjoy war? So because I drink beer I like fighting?  I mean the us is only at war because of the assholes who decided to fly planes into buildings on 9/11.  I fail to see the coorelation between that and the second amendment. 
    Using the “you can’t have an opinion on anything American if you’re not American” is just plain weak. 
     
    Especially considering we are just one human race with imaginary lines between us that really mean nothing 
    Err, maybe not.
    race is invented by man. agree or disagree?
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    my point was the imaginary lines.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    unsung said:
    my point was the imaginary lines.
    also invented by man. 
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited September 2018
    unsung said:
    my point was the imaginary lines.
    also invented by man. 
    Things invented by man “mean nothing”?  That seems a bit contextually relative.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    my point was the imaginary lines.
    also invented by man. 
    Things invented by man “mean nothing”?  That seems a bit contextually relative.
    of course not all things. it's just so funny to me how someone can be so anti-government yet be so beholden to the very thing that keeps them relevant. 
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