Harvey Weinstein

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 8,720
    Worse is, it seems that most from Hollywood that make a statement seem to be saying "I know this happens but I never saw it".  Hollywood has a big hidden problem that they pretend doesn't exist.  And this is just bringing that out to the front page.

    I don;t blame Hillary or Obama for taking his $ if they knew nothing.  I don't even care about them making a statement.  But I can;t stand people all up in arms about others not making statements to denounce this and that and then they are ok with people remaining silent on this for a very long time.  I just like consistency. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,959
    President of the US
    Governor of CA
    Speaker of the House
    And don't forget Newt the Beaut

    All elected republicans versus the head of a Hollywood movie studio. Not quite apples to apples. Sexual assault is abhorrent regardless of political party or job held. But spare me the comparison.
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness San DiegoPosts: 2,025
    ^^^^ There have been a number of stories about Vance this past week; sounds like he needs to go.
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness San DiegoPosts: 2,025
    JimmyV said:
    both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?

    Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more. 

    Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks. 

    None of us can say for sure who knew and who didn't. I certainly can't. But...I do tend to believe that it was an open secret. That many people either knew, suspected, or went out of their way not to know.

    As I said yesterday, Obama allowing his teenage daughter to intern with Weinstein is a pretty clear indicator that he at least did not know.



    Well, I have heard the rumors for years, same as with Cosby; I've been hearing them since "Shakespeare in Love." And some people, such as Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, are being called out for their protestations of ignorance. Was Obama aware of the rumors? Most likely not; I think his career kept him busy for many years while I was waiting in doctor's offices and at lessons and practices and rehearsals, reading People magazine or surfing the internet. :-( But the idea that any major player in Hollywood was oblivious to what was happening? I find that really, really hard to believe. We see the same pattern of behavior so oftten, be it with Bill Cosby, Fox News, Penn State. Many people know, many people feel they have something to lose if word leaks out, so many people protect and enable. It's disgusting. 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 2,882
    edited October 11
    JimmyV said:
    both HC and Obama have made statements denouncing him. is that good enough? or should they give all the money back too?

    Why does everyone think all of these people (Hollywood, recipients of political dollars, etc) knew what he was doing? You are all presenting this as if it was common knowledge, even among the general public. i call bullshit on that. Until now, no one fucking accused the guy of anything publicly or officially, so why would anyone have any reason to believe he did anything? it would have all been rumours and nothing more. 

    Sure, yeah, NOW everyone knows he's a predator, especially with that audio tape (although I haven't listened to it), but hindsight is 20/20, folks. 

    None of us can say for sure who knew and who didn't. I certainly can't. But...I do tend to believe that it was an open secret. That many people either knew, suspected, or went out of their way not to know.

    As I said yesterday, Obama allowing his teenage daughter to intern with Weinstein is a pretty clear indicator that he at least did not know.



    Well, I have heard the rumors for years, same as with Cosby; I've been hearing them since "Shakespeare in Love." And some people, such as Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, are being called out for their protestations of ignorance. Was Obama aware of the rumors? Most likely not; I think his career kept him busy for many years while I was waiting in doctor's offices and at lessons and practices and rehearsals, reading People magazine or surfing the internet. :-( But the idea that any major player in Hollywood was oblivious to what was happening? I find that really, really hard to believe. We see the same pattern of behavior so oftten, be it with Bill Cosby, Fox News, Penn State. Many people know, many people feel they have something to lose if word leaks out, so many people protect and enable. It's disgusting. 
    Looks like Affleck is now getting called out for his history of groping too.  I’m thinking there are going to be a lot of names dragged through the mud in the upcoming days.  Hollywood culture has always been a sicko culture, not sure why anyone is surprised by these “revelations”.
    Props to Brad Pitt for this:  
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 11,155
    edited October 12
    Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:

    "Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,092
    JimmyV said:
    Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:

    "Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."

    But saying they are teams on the same field is my issue (and where my youtube friend got it wrong). The sexual assaults themselves sound pretty similar. A president who millions voted for and continue to support in the most powerful position in the country is different than a movie producer. I don't think liberals would be voting for Weinstein for president any time soon. I'm left wondering which conservative actor will threaten trump with a beat down? 
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 11,155
    These assaults were so common to Weinstein that he couldn't even remember who he had assaulted.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 11,155
    JimmyV said:
    Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:

    "Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."

    But saying they are teams on the same field is my issue (and where my youtube friend got it wrong). The sexual assaults themselves sound pretty similar. A president who millions voted for and continue to support in the most powerful position in the country is different than a movie producer. I don't think liberals would be voting for Weinstein for president any time soon. I'm left wondering which conservative actor will threaten trump with a beat down? 
    I'm not saying they are the same. I'm saying they are both very bad. That Trump is worse is irrelevant and does deflect away from the problems in the Democrat's own house. Weinstein isn't just a movie producer. He is a huge bundler and cog in the Democratic machine and has been for decades. Regardless of Trump, there is a Democratic problem here. Wondering which conservative actor will threaten Trump is an easy way to avoid wondering which 2020 Democratic contender will be spending the sleaziest campaign money. That is the deflection.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,810
    JimmyV said:
    JimmyV said:
    Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:

    "Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."

    But saying they are teams on the same field is my issue (and where my youtube friend got it wrong). The sexual assaults themselves sound pretty similar. A president who millions voted for and continue to support in the most powerful position in the country is different than a movie producer. I don't think liberals would be voting for Weinstein for president any time soon. I'm left wondering which conservative actor will threaten trump with a beat down? 
    I'm not saying they are the same. I'm saying they are both very bad. That Trump is worse is irrelevant and does deflect away from the problems in the Democrat's own house. Weinstein isn't just a movie producer. He is a huge bundler and cog in the Democratic machine and has been for decades. Regardless of Trump, there is a Democratic problem here. Wondering which conservative actor will threaten Trump is an easy way to avoid wondering which 2020 Democratic contender will be spending the sleaziest campaign money. That is the deflection.
    I honestly don't see how this is a political problem for the Democrats (or should be, I should say).  I suppose if there was evidence that Obama knew about his actions and willfully ignored them by taking money, that would be an issue.  I'm not sure that's the case.  To me, this is a Weinstein/Miramax problem.  The Roger Ailes issue was not a Republican problem, it was a Fox News problem.  I didn't think Ben Sasse was a piece of shit because Ailes was sexually harassing his employees.  The problem is that everything is used as a wedge, to further divide things into left and right.  
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,092
    JimmyV said:
    JimmyV said:
    Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:

    "Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."

    But saying they are teams on the same field is my issue (and where my youtube friend got it wrong). The sexual assaults themselves sound pretty similar. A president who millions voted for and continue to support in the most powerful position in the country is different than a movie producer. I don't think liberals would be voting for Weinstein for president any time soon. I'm left wondering which conservative actor will threaten trump with a beat down? 
    I'm not saying they are the same. I'm saying they are both very bad. That Trump is worse is irrelevant and does deflect away from the problems in the Democrat's own house. Weinstein isn't just a movie producer. He is a huge bundler and cog in the Democratic machine and has been for decades. Regardless of Trump, there is a Democratic problem here. Wondering which conservative actor will threaten Trump is an easy way to avoid wondering which 2020 Democratic contender will be spending the sleaziest campaign money. That is the deflection.
    I just wanted to give Brad Pitt a shout out there. 

    Solid points, but the subject is about sleazy money, which is also on the Republican side. Conservatives should probably dial down the theme of liberal hypocrisy since they've elevated their sleaze to President. 
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 11,155
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    JimmyV said:
    Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:

    "Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."

    But saying they are teams on the same field is my issue (and where my youtube friend got it wrong). The sexual assaults themselves sound pretty similar. A president who millions voted for and continue to support in the most powerful position in the country is different than a movie producer. I don't think liberals would be voting for Weinstein for president any time soon. I'm left wondering which conservative actor will threaten trump with a beat down? 
    I'm not saying they are the same. I'm saying they are both very bad. That Trump is worse is irrelevant and does deflect away from the problems in the Democrat's own house. Weinstein isn't just a movie producer. He is a huge bundler and cog in the Democratic machine and has been for decades. Regardless of Trump, there is a Democratic problem here. Wondering which conservative actor will threaten Trump is an easy way to avoid wondering which 2020 Democratic contender will be spending the sleaziest campaign money. That is the deflection.
    I honestly don't see how this is a political problem for the Democrats (or should be, I should say).  I suppose if there was evidence that Obama knew about his actions and willfully ignored them by taking money, that would be an issue.  I'm not sure that's the case.  To me, this is a Weinstein/Miramax problem.  The Roger Ailes issue was not a Republican problem, it was a Fox News problem.  I didn't think Ben Sasse was a piece of shit because Ailes was sexually harassing his employees.  The problem is that everything is used as a wedge, to further divide things into left and right.  
    I don't really disagree with any of that, necessarily. At the same time, imagine this story broke last October rather than this October. (Sure there were other problems in 2016 but this would have been another big one.) Worse, imagine this stayed quiet for another few years and blew up in October of 2020. It absolutely would swallow up the Democratic candidate. Rightly or wrongly. Falling back on the argument that Trump is worse feels like a way to avoid dealing with the rot inside the Democratic house. That's what I'm pushing back against.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,810
    Kat said:
    Closed for review. Now reopened.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 8,720
    JimmyV said:
    Reposting because I stand by this, but not in the context of @mrussel1's post above onto which it was inadvertently attached:

    "Arguing that the Red Team's sexual assault is worse than the Blue Team's sexual assault continues to look, sound, and smell like a deflection."

    But saying they are teams on the same field is my issue (and where my youtube friend got it wrong). The sexual assaults themselves sound pretty similar. A president who millions voted for and continue to support in the most powerful position in the country is different than a movie producer. I don't think liberals would be voting for Weinstein for president any time soon. I'm left wondering which conservative actor will threaten trump with a beat down? 
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    Hollywood has a lot of skeletons and a lot of hiding, you need to look no further than Roman Polanski to see this. 
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,249
    ^^^Weinstein is likely the tip of the iceberg.  
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    Yup, both sides are the same. Comet Pizza, Podesta emails, Hillary's friend spiriting children out of Haiti. Hey JC, where's your outrage? Ah right, you voted Trump.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 5,354
    Best article I've read on this topic so far.



    Sarah Polly: The Men You Meet Making Movies




    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/opinion/sunday/harvey-weinstein-sarah-polley.html


  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,249
    edited October 15
    ^^^good little read. thanks for that.  i'm ready for the pigs to be exposed.  their movies suck too.  maybe we'll get some better film making out of all of this.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,249
    Paltrow and Lettermen discussing Weinstein

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,753
    Scott Rosenberg, a screenwriter (Beautiful Girls, Con Air, High Fidelity) who worked closely with Weinstein and Co. for a little under a decade, has had enough of the bullshit, too. And he's saying something not too many people in the industry are saying right now: "I am sorry."


    So, uh, yeah.
    We need to talk about Harvey.

    I was there, for a big part of it. 
    From, what, 1994 to the early 2000s?
    Something like that.
    Certainly The Golden Age. 
    The “PULP FICTION”, “SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE”, “CLERKS”, “SWINGERS”, “SCREAM”, “GOOD WILL HUNTING”, “ENGLISH PATIENT”, “LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL” years...

    Harvey and Bob made my first two movies.
    Then they signed me to an overall deal.
    Then they bought that horror script of mine about the Ten Plagues.
    For a lot of money.
    Also bought that werewolf-biker script.
    That no one else liked but was my personal favorite.
    They were going to publish my novel.
    They anointed me.
    Made it so other studios thought I was the real deal.
    They gave me my career.

    I was barely 30.
    I was sure I had struck gold. 
    They loved me, these two brothers, who had reinvented cinema. 
    And who were fun and tough and didn’t give an East Coast fuck about all the slick pricks out in L.A.

    And those glory days in Tribeca?
    The old cramped offices?
    That wonderful gang of executives and assistants?
    All the filmmakers who were doing repeat business?
    The brothers wanted to create a “family of film”.
    And they did just that... 
    We looked forward to having meetings there.
    Meetings that would turn into plans that would turn into raucous nights out on the town.
    Simply put: OG Miramax was a blast.

    So, yeah, I was there.
    And let me tell you one thing.
    Let’s be perfectly clear about one thing:

    Everybody-fucking-knew.

    Not that he was raping.
    No, that we never heard.
    But we were aware of a certain pattern of overly-aggressive behavior that was rather dreadful.
    We knew about the man’s hunger; his fervor; his appetite.
    There was nothing secret about this voracious rapacity; like a gluttonous ogre out of the Brothers Grimm. 
    All couched in vague promises of potential movie roles.
    (and, it should be noted: there were many who actually succumbed to his bulky charms. Willingly. Which surely must have only impelled him to cast his fetid net even wider).

    But like I said: everybody-fucking-knew.

    And to me, if Harvey’s behavior is the most reprehensible thing one can imagine, a not-so-distant second is the current flood of sanctimonious denial and condemnation that now crashes upon these shores of rectitude in gloppy tides of bullshit righteousness.

    Because everybody-fucking-knew.

    And do you know how I am sure this is true?
    Because I was there.
    And I saw you.
    And I talked about it with you.
    You, the big producers; you, the big directors; you, the big agents; you, the big financiers.
    And you, the big rival studio chiefs; you, the big actors; you, the big actresses; you, the big models.
    You, the big journalists; you, the big screenwriters; you, the big rock stars; you, the big restaurateurs; you, the big politicians.

    I saw you.
    All of you.
    God help me, I was there with you.

    Again, maybe we didn’t know the degree.
    The magnitude of the awfulness.
    Not the rapes.
    Not the shoving against the wall.
    Not the potted-plant fucking.
    But we knew something.
    We knew something was bubbling under. 
    Something odious. 
    Something rotten.

    But... 
    And this is as pathetic as it is true:
    What would you have had us do?
    Who were we to tell?
    The authorities?
    What authorities?
    The press?
    Harvey owned the press. 
    The Internet?
    There was no Internet or reasonable facsimile thereof. 
    Should we have called the police?
    And said what?
    Should we have reached out to some fantasy Attorney General Of Movieland?
    That didn't exist.

    Not to mention, most of the victims chose not to speak out.
    Aside from sharing the grimy details with a close girlfriend or confidante. 
    And if they discussed it with their representatives? 
    Agents and managers, who themselves feared The Wrath Of The Big Man?
    The agents and managers would tell them to keep it to themselves. 
    Because who knew the repercussions?
    That old saw “You’ll Never Work In This Town Again” came crawling back to putrid life like a re-animated cadaver in a late-night zombie flick.
    But, yes, everyone knew someone who had been on the receiving end of lewd advances by him.
    Or knew someone who knew someone.

    A few actress friends of mine told me stories: of a ghastly hotel meeting; of a repugnant bathrobe-shucking; of a loathsome massage request. 
    And although they were rattled, they sort of laughed at his arrogance; how he had the temerity to think that simply the sight of his naked, doughy, carbuncled flesh was going to get them in the mood. 
    So I just believed it to be a grotesque display of power; a dude misreading the room and making a lame-if-vile pass.


    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
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    It was much easier to believe that.
    It was much easier for ALL of us to believe that.

    Because...

    And here’s where the slither meets the slime:
    Harvey was showing us the best of times. 
    He was making our movies. 
    Throwing the biggest parties. 
    Taking us to The Golden Globes!
    Introducing us to the most amazing people (Meetings with Vice President Gore! Clubbing with Quentin and Uma! Drinks with Salman Rushdie and Ralph Fiennes! Dinners with Mick Jagger and Warren-freaking-Beatty!).

    The most epic Oscar weekends.
    That seemed to last for weeks!
    Sundance! Cannes! Toronto! 
    Telluride! Berlin! Venice!
    Private jets! Stretch limousines! Springsteen shows!
    Hell, Harvey once took me to St. Barth’s for Christmas.
    For 12 days!
    I was a broke-ass kid from Boston who had never even HEARD of St. Barth’s before he booked my travel.
    He once got me tickets to the seven hottest Broadway shows in one week. So I could take a new girlfriend on a dazzling tour of theater. 
    He got me seats on the 40-yard-line to the Super Bowl, when the Patriots were playing the Packers in New Orleans. 
    Even got me a hotel room, which was impossible to get that weekend.
    He gave and gave and gave and gave.
    He had a monarch’s volcanic generosity when it came to those within his circle. 
    And a Mafia don’s fervent need for abject loyalty from his capos and soldiers.

    But never mind us!
    What about what he was doing for the culture? 
    Making stunningly splendid films at a time when everyone else was cranking-out simpering "INDEPENDENCE DAY" rip-offs.

    It was glorious.
    All of it.

    So what if he was coming on a little strong to some young models who had moved mountains to get into one of his parties?
    So what if he was exposing himself, in five-star hotel rooms, like a cartoon flasher out of “MAD MAGAZINE” (just swap robe for raincoat!)
    Who were we to call foul? 
    Golden Geese don't come along too often in one's life.

    Which goes back to my original point:
    Everybody-fucking-knew. 
    But everybody was just having too good a time. 
    And doing remarkable work; making remarkable movies.

    As the old joke goes:
    We needed the eggs.

    Okay, maybe we didn’t NEED them.
    But we really, really, really, really LIKED them eggs.
    So we were willing to overlook what the Golden Goose was up to, in the murky shadows behind the barn...

    And for that, I am eternally sorry.
    To all of the women that had to suffer this...
    I am eternally sorry.
    I’ve worked with Mira and Rosanna and Lysette.
    I’ve known Rose and Ashley and Claire for years... 
    Their courage only hangs a lantern on my shame.
    And I am eternally sorry to all those who suffered in silence all this time.
    And have chosen to remain silent today.

    I mostly lost touch with the brothers by the early 2000s.
    For no specific reason.
    Just that there were other jobs, other studios.
    But a few months ago, Harvey called me, out of the blue.
    To talk about the bygone days.
    To talk about how great it would be to get some of the gang back together. 
    Make a movie.
    He must have known then the noose was tightening.
    There was a wistfulness to him that I had never heard before.
    A melancholy.
    It most assuredly had a walking-to-the-gallows feel.
    When we hung up I wondered: “what was that all about?”
    In a few short weeks I would know.
    It was the condemned man simply wanting to comb some of the ruins of his old stomping grounds.
    One last time.

    So, yeah, I am sorry.
    Sorry and ashamed.
    Because, in the end, I was complicit. 
    I didn’t say shit.
    I didn’t do shit.
    Harvey was nothing but wonderful to me.
    So I reaped the rewards and I kept my mouth shut.
    And for that, once again, I am sorry.

    But you should be sorry, too.
    With all these victims speaking up...
    To tell their tales.
    Shouldn’t those who witnessed it from the sidelines do the same?
    Instead of retreating to the cowardly, canopied confines of faux-outrage?
    Doesn’t being a bystander bring with it the responsibility of telling the truth, however personally disgraceful it may be?

    You know who are. 
    You know that you knew.
    And do you know how I know that you knew?

    Because I was there with you.

    And because everybody-fucking-knew.


    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 2,882
    JC29856 said:

    It was much easier to believe that.
    It was much easier for ALL of us to believe that.

    Because...

    And here’s where the slither meets the slime:
    Harvey was showing us the best of times. 
    He was making our movies. 
    Throwing the biggest parties. 
    Taking us to The Golden Globes!
    Introducing us to the most amazing people (Meetings with Vice President Gore! Clubbing with Quentin and Uma! Drinks with Salman Rushdie and Ralph Fiennes! Dinners with Mick Jagger and Warren-freaking-Beatty!).

    The most epic Oscar weekends.
    That seemed to last for weeks!
    Sundance! Cannes! Toronto! 
    Telluride! Berlin! Venice!
    Private jets! Stretch limousines! Springsteen shows!
    Hell, Harvey once took me to St. Barth’s for Christmas.
    For 12 days!
    I was a broke-ass kid from Boston who had never even HEARD of St. Barth’s before he booked my travel.
    He once got me tickets to the seven hottest Broadway shows in one week. So I could take a new girlfriend on a dazzling tour of theater. 
    He got me seats on the 40-yard-line to the Super Bowl, when the Patriots were playing the Packers in New Orleans. 
    Even got me a hotel room, which was impossible to get that weekend.
    He gave and gave and gave and gave.
    He had a monarch’s volcanic generosity when it came to those within his circle. 
    And a Mafia don’s fervent need for abject loyalty from his capos and soldiers.

    But never mind us!
    What about what he was doing for the culture? 
    Making stunningly splendid films at a time when everyone else was cranking-out simpering "INDEPENDENCE DAY" rip-offs.

    It was glorious.
    All of it.

    So what if he was coming on a little strong to some young models who had moved mountains to get into one of his parties?
    So what if he was exposing himself, in five-star hotel rooms, like a cartoon flasher out of “MAD MAGAZINE” (just swap robe for raincoat!)
    Who were we to call foul? 
    Golden Geese don't come along too often in one's life.

    Which goes back to my original point:
    Everybody-fucking-knew. 
    But everybody was just having too good a time. 
    And doing remarkable work; making remarkable movies.

    As the old joke goes:
    We needed the eggs.

    Okay, maybe we didn’t NEED them.
    But we really, really, really, really LIKED them eggs.
    So we were willing to overlook what the Golden Goose was up to, in the murky shadows behind the barn...

    And for that, I am eternally sorry.
    To all of the women that had to suffer this...
    I am eternally sorry.
    I’ve worked with Mira and Rosanna and Lysette.
    I’ve known Rose and Ashley and Claire for years... 
    Their courage only hangs a lantern on my shame.
    And I am eternally sorry to all those who suffered in silence all this time.
    And have chosen to remain silent today.

    I mostly lost touch with the brothers by the early 2000s.
    For no specific reason.
    Just that there were other jobs, other studios.
    But a few months ago, Harvey called me, out of the blue.
    To talk about the bygone days.
    To talk about how great it would be to get some of the gang back together. 
    Make a movie.
    He must have known then the noose was tightening.
    There was a wistfulness to him that I had never heard before.
    A melancholy.
    It most assuredly had a walking-to-the-gallows feel.
    When we hung up I wondered: “what was that all about?”
    In a few short weeks I would know.
    It was the condemned man simply wanting to comb some of the ruins of his old stomping grounds.
    One last time.

    So, yeah, I am sorry.
    Sorry and ashamed.
    Because, in the end, I was complicit. 
    I didn’t say shit.
    I didn’t do shit.
    Harvey was nothing but wonderful to me.
    So I reaped the rewards and I kept my mouth shut.
    And for that, once again, I am sorry.

    But you should be sorry, too.
    With all these victims speaking up...
    To tell their tales.
    Shouldn’t those who witnessed it from the sidelines do the same?
    Instead of retreating to the cowardly, canopied confines of faux-outrage?
    Doesn’t being a bystander bring with it the responsibility of telling the truth, however personally disgraceful it may be?

    You know who are. 
    You know that you knew.
    And do you know how I know that you knew?

    Because I was there with you.

    And because everybody-fucking-knew.


    “You, the big politicians”.........Well who could he possibly be talking about?
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,753
    PJPOWER said:
    JC29856 said:

    It was much easier to believe that.
    It was much easier for ALL of us to believe that.

    Because...

    And here’s where the slither meets the slime:
    Harvey was showing us the best of times. 
    He was making our movies. 
    Throwing the biggest parties. 
    Taking us to The Golden Globes!
    Introducing us to the most amazing people (Meetings with Vice President Gore! Clubbing with Quentin and Uma! Drinks with Salman Rushdie and Ralph Fiennes! Dinners with Mick Jagger and Warren-freaking-Beatty!).

    The most epic Oscar weekends.
    That seemed to last for weeks!
    Sundance! Cannes! Toronto! 
    Telluride! Berlin! Venice!
    Private jets! Stretch limousines! Springsteen shows!
    Hell, Harvey once took me to St. Barth’s for Christmas.
    For 12 days!
    I was a broke-ass kid from Boston who had never even HEARD of St. Barth’s before he booked my travel.
    He once got me tickets to the seven hottest Broadway shows in one week. So I could take a new girlfriend on a dazzling tour of theater. 
    He got me seats on the 40-yard-line to the Super Bowl, when the Patriots were playing the Packers in New Orleans. 
    Even got me a hotel room, which was impossible to get that weekend.
    He gave and gave and gave and gave.
    He had a monarch’s volcanic generosity when it came to those within his circle. 
    And a Mafia don’s fervent need for abject loyalty from his capos and soldiers.

    But never mind us!
    What about what he was doing for the culture? 
    Making stunningly splendid films at a time when everyone else was cranking-out simpering "INDEPENDENCE DAY" rip-offs.

    It was glorious.
    All of it.

    So what if he was coming on a little strong to some young models who had moved mountains to get into one of his parties?
    So what if he was exposing himself, in five-star hotel rooms, like a cartoon flasher out of “MAD MAGAZINE” (just swap robe for raincoat!)
    Who were we to call foul? 
    Golden Geese don't come along too often in one's life.

    Which goes back to my original point:
    Everybody-fucking-knew. 
    But everybody was just having too good a time. 
    And doing remarkable work; making remarkable movies.

    As the old joke goes:
    We needed the eggs.

    Okay, maybe we didn’t NEED them.
    But we really, really, really, really LIKED them eggs.
    So we were willing to overlook what the Golden Goose was up to, in the murky shadows behind the barn...

    And for that, I am eternally sorry.
    To all of the women that had to suffer this...
    I am eternally sorry.
    I’ve worked with Mira and Rosanna and Lysette.
    I’ve known Rose and Ashley and Claire for years... 
    Their courage only hangs a lantern on my shame.
    And I am eternally sorry to all those who suffered in silence all this time.
    And have chosen to remain silent today.

    I mostly lost touch with the brothers by the early 2000s.
    For no specific reason.
    Just that there were other jobs, other studios.
    But a few months ago, Harvey called me, out of the blue.
    To talk about the bygone days.
    To talk about how great it would be to get some of the gang back together. 
    Make a movie.
    He must have known then the noose was tightening.
    There was a wistfulness to him that I had never heard before.
    A melancholy.
    It most assuredly had a walking-to-the-gallows feel.
    When we hung up I wondered: “what was that all about?”
    In a few short weeks I would know.
    It was the condemned man simply wanting to comb some of the ruins of his old stomping grounds.
    One last time.

    So, yeah, I am sorry.
    Sorry and ashamed.
    Because, in the end, I was complicit. 
    I didn’t say shit.
    I didn’t do shit.
    Harvey was nothing but wonderful to me.
    So I reaped the rewards and I kept my mouth shut.
    And for that, once again, I am sorry.

    But you should be sorry, too.
    With all these victims speaking up...
    To tell their tales.
    Shouldn’t those who witnessed it from the sidelines do the same?
    Instead of retreating to the cowardly, canopied confines of faux-outrage?
    Doesn’t being a bystander bring with it the responsibility of telling the truth, however personally disgraceful it may be?

    You know who are. 
    You know that you knew.
    And do you know how I know that you knew?

    Because I was there with you.

    And because everybody-fucking-knew.


    “You, the big politicians”.........Well who could he possibly be talking about?
    unsure, late 90s early 2000s president, CA senators and congresspersons
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
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