The Ocean. Fishing & Whaling. Sustainable? Illegal? Over fished?

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    Plastic Straws Aren’t the Problem

    Skipping straws may be hip. But there are much better ways to fight pollution.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-07/plastic-straws-aren-t-the-problem
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    Plastic straws are not the problem ... people are...
    Let's start small and use plastic straws as an example.
    If you wanna ban all plastic that's fine with me.  A nice cold Coca Cola on a hot summer day always taste better in a glass bottle.
    And no need for a straw. 

    I had to go down to Sacramento for a doctor appt. and it was HOT down there so I grabbed soda along the way.  My bamboo straw made drinking and driving much easier!   *hic*
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    brianlux said:
    Plastic straws are not the problem ... people are...
    Let's start small and use plastic straws as an example.
    If you wanna ban all plastic that's fine with me.  A nice cold Coca Cola on a hot summer day always taste better in a glass bottle.
    And no need for a straw. 

    I had to go down to Sacramento for a doctor appt. and it was HOT down there so I grabbed soda along the way.  My bamboo straw made drinking and driving much easier!   *hic*
    I will have to check amazon for bamboo straws...Brian you influencing me in a positive way.  See you are helping change occur. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 14,947
    brianlux said:
    Plastic straws are not the problem ... people are...
    Let's start small and use plastic straws as an example.
    If you wanna ban all plastic that's fine with me.  A nice cold Coca Cola on a hot summer day always taste better in a glass bottle.
    And no need for a straw. 

    I had to go down to Sacramento for a doctor appt. and it was HOT down there so I grabbed soda along the way.  My bamboo straw made drinking and driving much easier!   *hic*
    I will have to check amazon for bamboo straws...Brian you influencing me in a positive way.  See you are helping change occur. 
    They do sell Stainless steel ones now too.  Also aluminum.

    https://www.racked.com/2018/7/10/17549634/metal-straws-reusable-straws
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 14,947
    Also congrats to Starbucks but 2020 is still a ways away.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/09/627220348/starbucks-goodbye-plastic-straws
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    brianlux said:
    Plastic straws are not the problem ... people are...
    Let's start small and use plastic straws as an example.
    If you wanna ban all plastic that's fine with me.  A nice cold Coca Cola on a hot summer day always taste better in a glass bottle.
    And no need for a straw. 

    I had to go down to Sacramento for a doctor appt. and it was HOT down there so I grabbed soda along the way.  My bamboo straw made drinking and driving much easier!   *hic*
    I will have to check amazon for bamboo straws...Brian you influencing me in a positive way.  See you are helping change occur. 
    Cool, thank you. 

    I think we all make a difference here because we care enough to discuss important matters.  It's what drew mw hear in the first place.

    Oh, and this certain rock band that makes some pretty fines music!  :smiley:
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Plastic straws are not the problem ... people are...
    Let's start small and use plastic straws as an example.
    If you wanna ban all plastic that's fine with me.  A nice cold Coca Cola on a hot summer day always taste better in a glass bottle.
    And no need for a straw. 

    I had to go down to Sacramento for a doctor appt. and it was HOT down there so I grabbed soda along the way.  My bamboo straw made drinking and driving much easier!   *hic*
    I will have to check amazon for bamboo straws...Brian you influencing me in a positive way.  See you are helping change occur. 
    Cool, thank you. 

    I think we all make a difference here because we care enough to discuss important matters.  It's what drew mw hear in the first place.

    Oh, and this certain rock band that makes some pretty fines music!  :smiley:

    They sure do make some damn music.  
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Plastic straws are not the problem ... people are...
    Let's start small and use plastic straws as an example.
    If you wanna ban all plastic that's fine with me.  A nice cold Coca Cola on a hot summer day always taste better in a glass bottle.
    And no need for a straw. 

    I had to go down to Sacramento for a doctor appt. and it was HOT down there so I grabbed soda along the way.  My bamboo straw made drinking and driving much easier!   *hic*
    I will have to check amazon for bamboo straws...Brian you influencing me in a positive way.  See you are helping change occur. 
    Cool, thank you. 

    I think we all make a difference here because we care enough to discuss important matters.  It's what drew mw hear in the first place.

    Oh, and this certain rock band that makes some pretty fines music!  :smiley:

    They sure do make some damn music.  
    I think you could even call some of it "whale music".*

    * That's the best I could do to tie it into the thread, haha!
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Plastic straws are not the problem ... people are...
    Let's start small and use plastic straws as an example.
    If you wanna ban all plastic that's fine with me.  A nice cold Coca Cola on a hot summer day always taste better in a glass bottle.
    And no need for a straw. 

    I had to go down to Sacramento for a doctor appt. and it was HOT down there so I grabbed soda along the way.  My bamboo straw made drinking and driving much easier!   *hic*
    I will have to check amazon for bamboo straws...Brian you influencing me in a positive way.  See you are helping change occur. 
    Cool, thank you. 

    I think we all make a difference here because we care enough to discuss important matters.  It's what drew mw hear in the first place.

    Oh, and this certain rock band that makes some pretty fines music!  :smiley:

    They sure do make some damn music.  
    I think you could even call some of it "whale music".*

    * That's the best I could do to tie it into the thread, haha!
    LOL
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    Other than an incredibly long string of obscenities, there's not much I can say about this:


    The killing of a blue whale reveals how disconnected we are from nature


    They might as well have shot a giant panda. This week an Icelandic whaling company, Hvalur hf, caused uproar when it was revealed that it had killed a blue whale. Hvalur has killed hundreds of fin whales – mostly destined as meat for export to Japan. It resumed its hunt in June, after a three-year hiatus. But no blue whale – a highly endangered cetacean – has been deliberately killed for 40 years.

    Iceland is trying to dodge this one saying the whale is a "hybrid" but my heroes at Sea Shepherd Conservation Society say otherwise (and they would know- it's what they do):


    Anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd claimed Wednesday that Loftsson's company had killed and butchered a blue whale in Hvalfjordur, Iceland. Volunteers monitoring the whaling site photographed orange-clad crews examining the massive carcass.

    Here's what these fuckers killed:








    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    Have you ever researched living in northern climates...Many in the the far, like Alaska, Northern Canada live off the land...that probably includes Iceland.  What are they suppose to eat? 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    Have you ever researched living in northern climates...Many in the the far, like Alaska, Northern Canada live off the land...that probably includes Iceland.  What are they suppose to eat? 
    Yes I have and no, I do not make allowances for that excuse.
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    We'll they don't have  option ofcheap food at big box store is. not option...the article stated most on the island support whaling??  
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 14,947
    Have you ever researched living in northern climates...Many in the the far, like Alaska, Northern Canada live off the land...that probably includes Iceland.  What are they suppose to eat? 
    There are plenty of fish and game they can eat off of. 

    If you have a ship that big to capture a blue whale then you have the ability to have food shipped  to you so I'm not buying that their region allows them to need to hunt a blue whale...

    Inuits are the only people I know that still hunt whales and they mostly get pilot whales that aren't endangered.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    We'll they don't have  option ofcheap food at big box store is. not option...the article stated most on the island support whaling??  
    I am a long-time supporter of Native American/ Inuit/ First Nation rights but the argument about traditional hunting, especially when it comes to endangered species is utter bullshit.  I don't cut those people any slack on that one.  Whales are not their main diet anymore and besides, what point is there in hunting out the last of a species?  That is totally illogical.  No, sorry, I personally am dead set against this argument.
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    And I'm sorry for coming across so angry on this issue but the fact is, I am angry.  I'm mad as hell.  Humans are depleting ocean life at an alarming rate and polluting the oceans in bag ways.  If the oceans go, we go.  It's that simple.   As long as humans continue on this reckless, selfish, greedy, foolish and utterly stupid path, I will continue to feel angry about what is happening.  I do what I can to support Sea Shepherd Conservation society and I absolutely boycott all sea food other than sea vegetable (i.e. seaweed).  I wish there were more I could do. 
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 14,947
    brianlux said:
    And I'm sorry for coming across so angry on this issue but the fact is, I am angry.  I'm mad as hell.  Humans are depleting ocean life at an alarming rate and polluting the oceans in bag ways.  If the oceans go, we go.  It's that simple.   As long as humans continue on this reckless, selfish, greedy, foolish and utterly stupid path, I will continue to feel angry about what is happening.  I do what I can to support Sea Shepherd Conservation society and I absolutely boycott all sea food other than sea vegetable (i.e. seaweed).  I wish there were more I could do. 
    Any time a blue whale is lost is a time to be mad Brian.

    This is utter bullshit.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    brianlux said:
    And I'm sorry for coming across so angry on this issue but the fact is, I am angry.  I'm mad as hell.  Humans are depleting ocean life at an alarming rate and polluting the oceans in bag ways.  If the oceans go, we go.  It's that simple.   As long as humans continue on this reckless, selfish, greedy, foolish and utterly stupid path, I will continue to feel angry about what is happening.  I do what I can to support Sea Shepherd Conservation society and I absolutely boycott all sea food other than sea vegetable (i.e. seaweed).  I wish there were more I could do. 
    Any time a blue whale is lost is a time to be mad Brian.

    This is utter bullshit.
    Well said, t'ng
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    So was it a blue whale? or a hybrid as the whaler claims?  Doubt we'll ever know.  Apparently some of the meat was sent off for DNA testing, but that whale meat was mixed with some fin whale...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    So was it a blue whale? or a hybrid as the whaler claims?  Doubt we'll ever know.  Apparently some of the meat was sent off for DNA testing, but that whale meat was mixed with some fin whale...
    The things is that this particular whale looked like a blue whale and because of that should never have been killed in the first place (my own opinion is that NO whale should ever be killed).  Here's on of several articles that illustrate that point:


    Having seen many blue whales at close quarters, I can attest to this identification. As Peter Wilson, a whale expert and tour guide to Iceland, notes in his blog: “Whether they thought it was a blue or had someone out there who doesn’t know the difference, it shows complete disregard for any idea of expertise and a scientifically supported sense of sustainability”.

    The claims the Iceland whaling fleet make about it being a "hybrid" are just excuses. A number of whale experts have pointed out that it is likely this is a blue whale and even if it does turn out to be a hybrid, the idea of "Let's kill it first and then do some DNA test to find out if we've fucked up" is inexcusable and wrong.

    Wouldn't mind seeing this in 2018:


    One half of the Icelandic Whaling Fleet, 1984




    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 14,947
    brianlux said:
    So was it a blue whale? or a hybrid as the whaler claims?  Doubt we'll ever know.  Apparently some of the meat was sent off for DNA testing, but that whale meat was mixed with some fin whale...
    The things is that this particular whale looked like a blue whale and because of that should never have been killed in the first place (my own opinion is that NO whale should ever be killed).  Here's on of several articles that illustrate that point:


    Having seen many blue whales at close quarters, I can attest to this identification. As Peter Wilson, a whale expert and tour guide to Iceland, notes in his blog: “Whether they thought it was a blue or had someone out there who doesn’t know the difference, it shows complete disregard for any idea of expertise and a scientifically supported sense of sustainability”.

    The claims the Iceland whaling fleet make about it being a "hybrid" are just excuses. A number of whale experts have pointed out that it is likely this is a blue whale and even if it does turn out to be a hybrid, the idea of "Let's kill it first and then do some DNA test to find out if we've fucked up" is inexcusable and wrong.

    Wouldn't mind seeing this in 2018:


    One half of the Icelandic Whaling Fleet, 1984




    I agree with all of this Brian.

    TY
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    brianlux said:
    So was it a blue whale? or a hybrid as the whaler claims?  Doubt we'll ever know.  Apparently some of the meat was sent off for DNA testing, but that whale meat was mixed with some fin whale...
    The things is that this particular whale looked like a blue whale and because of that should never have been killed in the first place (my own opinion is that NO whale should ever be killed).  Here's on of several articles that illustrate that point:


    Having seen many blue whales at close quarters, I can attest to this identification. As Peter Wilson, a whale expert and tour guide to Iceland, notes in his blog: “Whether they thought it was a blue or had someone out there who doesn’t know the difference, it shows complete disregard for any idea of expertise and a scientifically supported sense of sustainability”.

    The claims the Iceland whaling fleet make about it being a "hybrid" are just excuses. A number of whale experts have pointed out that it is likely this is a blue whale and even if it does turn out to be a hybrid, the idea of "Let's kill it first and then do some DNA test to find out if we've fucked up" is inexcusable and wrong.

    Wouldn't mind seeing this in 2018:


    One half of the Icelandic Whaling Fleet, 1984




    Fair enough.  I did a little research on the whaling industry.  I read that Norway and Japan continue to whale hunt for no other reason that they do to like be told not to.  If that is true, that seem ridiculous.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    brianlux said:
    So was it a blue whale? or a hybrid as the whaler claims?  Doubt we'll ever know.  Apparently some of the meat was sent off for DNA testing, but that whale meat was mixed with some fin whale...
    The things is that this particular whale looked like a blue whale and because of that should never have been killed in the first place (my own opinion is that NO whale should ever be killed).  Here's on of several articles that illustrate that point:


    Having seen many blue whales at close quarters, I can attest to this identification. As Peter Wilson, a whale expert and tour guide to Iceland, notes in his blog: “Whether they thought it was a blue or had someone out there who doesn’t know the difference, it shows complete disregard for any idea of expertise and a scientifically supported sense of sustainability”.

    The claims the Iceland whaling fleet make about it being a "hybrid" are just excuses. A number of whale experts have pointed out that it is likely this is a blue whale and even if it does turn out to be a hybrid, the idea of "Let's kill it first and then do some DNA test to find out if we've fucked up" is inexcusable and wrong.

    Wouldn't mind seeing this in 2018:


    One half of the Icelandic Whaling Fleet, 1984




    Fair enough.  I did a little research on the whaling industry.  I read that Norway and Japan continue to whale hunt for no other reason that they do to like be told not to.  If that is true, that seem ridiculous.
    That may well be part of it but my understanding is that an even bigger part of it is money.  There are a lot of people in places like Japan that pay big bucks for the "culinary experience" of eating whale meat.  

    And God knows what else.  For example, there is a long history of Norway and Russia using whale meat to feed minks raised for their fur. 
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    So was it a blue whale? or a hybrid as the whaler claims?  Doubt we'll ever know.  Apparently some of the meat was sent off for DNA testing, but that whale meat was mixed with some fin whale...
    The things is that this particular whale looked like a blue whale and because of that should never have been killed in the first place (my own opinion is that NO whale should ever be killed).  Here's on of several articles that illustrate that point:


    Having seen many blue whales at close quarters, I can attest to this identification. As Peter Wilson, a whale expert and tour guide to Iceland, notes in his blog: “Whether they thought it was a blue or had someone out there who doesn’t know the difference, it shows complete disregard for any idea of expertise and a scientifically supported sense of sustainability”.

    The claims the Iceland whaling fleet make about it being a "hybrid" are just excuses. A number of whale experts have pointed out that it is likely this is a blue whale and even if it does turn out to be a hybrid, the idea of "Let's kill it first and then do some DNA test to find out if we've fucked up" is inexcusable and wrong.

    Wouldn't mind seeing this in 2018:


    One half of the Icelandic Whaling Fleet, 1984




    Fair enough.  I did a little research on the whaling industry.  I read that Norway and Japan continue to whale hunt for no other reason that they do to like be told not to.  If that is true, that seem ridiculous.
    That may well be part of it but my understanding is that an even bigger part of it is money.  There are a lot of people in places like Japan that pay big bucks for the "culinary experience" of eating whale meat.  

    And God knows what else.  For example, there is a long history of Norway and Russia using whale meat to feed minks raised for their fur. 

    Humans are a disgusting species....
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    GO GREEN
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    GO GREEN
    :plus_one:
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
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    M.I.T.S.





  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,023
    Terrible!  And then add to that all the little micro-plastics submerged just below the surface that small sea life feed on and disrupt the food chain. 

    This is a good reminder to limit plastic use as much as possible and especially single-use plastics.  I attended a big double-birthday party the other day that had 75 guests with lots of catered food and ALL of the plates, cups and utensils were plastic.  That was disgusting enough but then on top of it,  people were dumping them in the trash.  We took several of the plastic items home to reuse.  Single use plastic is obscene.
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.





  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,803
    brianlux said:
    Terrible!  And then add to that all the little micro-plastics submerged just below the surface that small sea life feed on and disrupt the food chain. 

    This is a good reminder to limit plastic use as much as possible and especially single-use plastics.  I attended a big double-birthday party the other day that had 75 guests with lots of catered food and ALL of the plates, cups and utensils were plastic.  That was disgusting enough but then on top of it,  people were dumping them in the trash.  We took several of the plastic items home to reuse.  Single use plastic is obscene.
    I also feel disgusted when I see the massive waste of single use plastics, especially from food service. 

    Recognizing that I'm only a tiny cog in the wheel, and that there's only so much I can do, I am trying to make one change at a time and stick with it long enough to make it a habit, and then add another change. The current change is that I'm taking a reusable travel mug with me any time that I think I might pick up a tea to go, so I can avoid a disposable cup with its inevitable plastic lid. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,700
    By the looks of that video we to ban more than straws...

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