Hillary Clinton: What happened

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,610
    edited September 11
    JC29856 said:
    Hillary in her book wonders where were all the women marchers solidarity passion and outrage during the election, I wondered the same.
    I wondered too. I guess reality only came crashing in for most of them after the unthinkable happened, I dunno.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,610
    JC29856 said:
    what a shit/piss election! 
    on one side you have a celebrity game show host and a "dossier" about urine
    on the other side you have corruption stumbling and "conspiracies" about feces

    I'll buy the book only if Hilliary talks about wtf was going on 1 year ago today.


    Huh? We already know what was going on in that video, if that's what you're talking about.
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 9,015
    if anyone thought Trump had a chance at winning, people would have come out in droves to vote for HC. when the media reports that trump had an 8% chance of winning, people think "oh well, then I don't need to bother". 
    This is accurate.  I have said it before, but IMO, if the election were held again on any day since the 'real' election to now, it would probably be a landslide.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,610
    MayDay10 said:
    if anyone thought Trump had a chance at winning, people would have come out in droves to vote for HC. when the media reports that trump had an 8% chance of winning, people think "oh well, then I don't need to bother". 
    This is accurate.  I have said it before, but IMO, if the election were held again on any day since the 'real' election to now, it would probably be a landslide.
    For sure. Too bad time travel hasn't been invented yet, so we could warn America, lol.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    edited September 11
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • amethgr8amethgr8 Posts: 519
    I guess she wasn't "crooked" enough, huh
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  • amethgr8 said:
    I guess she wasn't "crooked" enough, huh
    Or Bernie should have been a real democrat and not a DINO?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,794
    amethgr8 said:
    I guess she wasn't "crooked" enough, huh

    If only she were crooked enough to collude with the Russians
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    this is what happened in the primary vs Obama.
    April: no chance of securing nomination
    May: hoping for an Obama assassination
    Jun: concedes and endorsed Obama


    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • amethgr8amethgr8 Posts: 519
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 12,019
    amethgr8 said:
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
    COMPLETELY AGREE. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,610
    edited September 11
    amethgr8 said:
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
    COMPLETELY AGREE. 
    Indeed. The misogynistic old boys club is still going strong in the US federal government for sure. Actually it's getting worse again, not better, for obvious reasons. Maybe when all those old boys finally die and Gen X and especially Millennials really start taking over things will change. Hopefully. The world would be a much better place if women were a much bigger factor in politics IMO. I'm not saying that female politicians aren't twisted as well - they are. But there is still a difference that they would bring to the table as a comparable group that would be a big improvement over total male domination.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,001
    Outside of the old boys club, there's voters who just won't vote for a woman for president. 
  • amethgr8amethgr8 Posts: 519
    true, but it's the old boys club of thinking.  I know a lady who is close to 90 and she came here in the 1950's from Europe and as nice & independent as she is, she just doesn't think that's a "job for a woman".  My father is the same way, from the south, he is 75yrs old and I know that is his belief.  It's a shame really.  I was born in the wrong time in this life. 

    The actual number of voters exceed those of Trumps but it was the EC that did her in.  He knew exactly where to campaign, fear is one of the biggest motivators and he said whatever he needed to.  A salesman always knows their target market, where they will sell the most for the highest price.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 12,019
    PJ_Soul said:
    amethgr8 said:
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
    COMPLETELY AGREE. 
    Indeed. The misogynistic old boys club is still going strong in the US federal government for sure. Actually it's getting worse again, not better, for obvious reasons. Maybe when all those old boys finally die and Gen X and especially Millennials really start taking over things will change. Hopefully. The world would be a much better place if women were a much bigger factor in politics IMO. I'm not saying that female politicians aren't twisted as well - they are. But there is still a difference that they would bring to the table as a comparable group that would be a big improvement over total male domination.
    if women ruled the world, there would be world peace. I honestly believe this. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,610
    Outside of the old boys club, there's voters who just won't vote for a woman for president. 
    Yes, them too. Again though, once the younger people come up and start voting while the old war timers and baby boomers are dead, I think things will change.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 11,085
    Disagree. All the challenges and disadvantages female candidates face in this country (and absolutely agreed, there are many, they run deep, and they are all bogus) wouldn't have prevented a better female candidate from defeating Donald Trump in 2016. The Democrats chose to nominate a candidate they knew was the subject of an active FBI investigation. It cannot be overstated how reckless that decision was. If Nate Silver is right and it was Comey who tipped the election, that decision looks even worse. The other baggage, not the gender, led to Hillary Clinton's defeat. Almost anyone else, male or female, would have beaten Donald Trump. I firmly believe that.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 12,019
    PJ_Soul said:
    Outside of the old boys club, there's voters who just won't vote for a woman for president. 
    Yes, them too. Again though, once the younger people come up and start voting while the old war timers and baby boomers are dead, I think things will change.
    they might. but, I know plenty of misogynistic assholes my age (Gen X) who learned this from their dads and granddads. I think it will take longer that we hope. 
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  • amethgr8 said:
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
    Put a worthy candidate up for election and that may change. Don't mean to generalize, but it's how I feel sometimes.  Trump is, was and always will be a terrible president on record.  But that woman in the videos up above was not presidential material either.  Just because she was a woman shouldn't automatically make her a good candidate for women.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,610
    edited September 11
    PJ_Soul said:
    Outside of the old boys club, there's voters who just won't vote for a woman for president. 
    Yes, them too. Again though, once the younger people come up and start voting while the old war timers and baby boomers are dead, I think things will change.
    they might. but, I know plenty of misogynistic assholes my age (Gen X) who learned this from their dads and granddads. I think it will take longer that we hope. 
    Of course, but it's all about numbers/voter turnout. Right now the baby boomer votes are so numerous and so many of them vote compared to younger generations (Gen Xers are shitheads when it comes to going to the polls), so the the baby boomers make that huge a difference. Once they're gone, things will turn despite the assholes from our own generation. Though newer immigrant voters will also be a big factor going forward... but they are largely younger too, and I think younger generally = better in this context. I hope so anyway! Of course this all also depends on women actually getting into politics.... It's not an appealing prospect for most women because the men before them have turned it into such a fucking man-dominated, aggressive, dick measuring shit show. Most of the women getting into politics are pigs now, because they are the only ones who can tolerate the systemic bullshit men have built. I think THAT is the difficult part, looking forward, not the voters.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,001
    JimmyV said:
    Disagree. All the challenges and disadvantages female candidates face in this country (and absolutely agreed, there are many, they run deep, and they are all bogus) wouldn't have prevented a better female candidate from defeating Donald Trump in 2016. The Democrats chose to nominate a candidate they knew was the subject of an active FBI investigation. It cannot be overstated how reckless that decision was. If Nate Silver is right and it was Comey who tipped the election, that decision looks even worse. The other baggage, not the gender, led to Hillary Clinton's defeat. Almost anyone else, male or female, would have beaten Donald Trump. I firmly believe that.
    I agree with this also. It would take a very solid (x2) woman running against a sketchy male candidate to win. Again it would have to do with turnout. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 12,019
    amethgr8 said:
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
    Put a worthy candidate up for election and that may change. Don't mean to generalize, but it's how I feel sometimes.  Trump is, was and always will be a terrible president on record.  But that woman in the videos up above was not presidential material either.  Just because she was a woman shouldn't automatically make her a good candidate for women.
    you couldn't have a worse candidate than Trump. 
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,183
    JC29856 said:
    That is not accurate. Taking responsibility for gifting the other campaign by using the word deplorables at some voters is definitely taking personal responsibility. There's likely more like that; we'll have to wait to read it. That guy has blinders on to what he doesn't want to see. :tongue:

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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,113
    edited September 11
    JimmyV said:
    Disagree. All the challenges and disadvantages female candidates face in this country (and absolutely agreed, there are many, they run deep, and they are all bogus) wouldn't have prevented a better female candidate from defeating Donald Trump in 2016. The Democrats chose to nominate a candidate they knew was the subject of an active FBI investigation. It cannot be overstated how reckless that decision was. If Nate Silver is right and it was Comey who tipped the election, that decision looks even worse. The other baggage, not the gender, led to Hillary Clinton's defeat. Almost anyone else, male or female, would have beaten Donald Trump. I firmly believe that.

    if anyone thought Trump had a chance at winning, people would have come out in droves to vote for HC. when the media reports that trump had an 8% chance of winning, people think "oh well, then I don't need to bother". 
    That reminds me, what ever happened to that FBI investigation? Anything ever come of it? It's almost as if it was political grandstanding all along....

    Yet somehow the blame rests with Hillary and the DNC?
    No blame rests on the GOP for conducting a political witch hunt and character assassination against the most qualified candidate ever?
    No blame rests on the voter for being able to recognize she was being slandered?

     Victim blaming at it's finest, folks!
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 11,085
    CM189191 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Disagree. All the challenges and disadvantages female candidates face in this country (and absolutely agreed, there are many, they run deep, and they are all bogus) wouldn't have prevented a better female candidate from defeating Donald Trump in 2016. The Democrats chose to nominate a candidate they knew was the subject of an active FBI investigation. It cannot be overstated how reckless that decision was. If Nate Silver is right and it was Comey who tipped the election, that decision looks even worse. The other baggage, not the gender, led to Hillary Clinton's defeat. Almost anyone else, male or female, would have beaten Donald Trump. I firmly believe that.

    if anyone thought Trump had a chance at winning, people would have come out in droves to vote for HC. when the media reports that trump had an 8% chance of winning, people think "oh well, then I don't need to bother". 
    That reminds me, what ever happened to that FBI investigation? Anything ever come of it? It's almost as if it was political grandstanding all along....

    Yet somehow the blame rests with Hillary and the DNC?
    No blame rests on the GOP for conducting a political witch hunt and character assassination against the most qualified candidate ever?
    No blame rests on the voter for being able to recognize she was being slandered?

     Victim blaming at it's finest, folks!

    No. The blame rests with Democratic primary voters. That isn't victim blaming because those voters aren't victims. They made a choice and they need to own it. Just like Trump voters and just like third party swing state voters. Playing the victim is not owning anything.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,001
    JimmyV said:
    CM189191 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Disagree. All the challenges and disadvantages female candidates face in this country (and absolutely agreed, there are many, they run deep, and they are all bogus) wouldn't have prevented a better female candidate from defeating Donald Trump in 2016. The Democrats chose to nominate a candidate they knew was the subject of an active FBI investigation. It cannot be overstated how reckless that decision was. If Nate Silver is right and it was Comey who tipped the election, that decision looks even worse. The other baggage, not the gender, led to Hillary Clinton's defeat. Almost anyone else, male or female, would have beaten Donald Trump. I firmly believe that.

    if anyone thought Trump had a chance at winning, people would have come out in droves to vote for HC. when the media reports that trump had an 8% chance of winning, people think "oh well, then I don't need to bother". 
    That reminds me, what ever happened to that FBI investigation? Anything ever come of it? It's almost as if it was political grandstanding all along....

    Yet somehow the blame rests with Hillary and the DNC?
    No blame rests on the GOP for conducting a political witch hunt and character assassination against the most qualified candidate ever?
    No blame rests on the voter for being able to recognize she was being slandered?

     Victim blaming at it's finest, folks!

    No. The blame rests with Democratic primary voters. That isn't victim blaming because those voters aren't victims. They made a choice and they need to own it. Just like Trump voters and just like third party swing state voters. Playing the victim is not owning anything.
    But the false narrative keeps getting played: that trump voters were pushed to vote for him in a reaction to the left. This of course is bullshit. Many were drawn to his message. 
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 11,085
    JimmyV said:
    CM189191 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Disagree. All the challenges and disadvantages female candidates face in this country (and absolutely agreed, there are many, they run deep, and they are all bogus) wouldn't have prevented a better female candidate from defeating Donald Trump in 2016. The Democrats chose to nominate a candidate they knew was the subject of an active FBI investigation. It cannot be overstated how reckless that decision was. If Nate Silver is right and it was Comey who tipped the election, that decision looks even worse. The other baggage, not the gender, led to Hillary Clinton's defeat. Almost anyone else, male or female, would have beaten Donald Trump. I firmly believe that.

    if anyone thought Trump had a chance at winning, people would have come out in droves to vote for HC. when the media reports that trump had an 8% chance of winning, people think "oh well, then I don't need to bother". 
    That reminds me, what ever happened to that FBI investigation? Anything ever come of it? It's almost as if it was political grandstanding all along....

    Yet somehow the blame rests with Hillary and the DNC?
    No blame rests on the GOP for conducting a political witch hunt and character assassination against the most qualified candidate ever?
    No blame rests on the voter for being able to recognize she was being slandered?

     Victim blaming at it's finest, folks!

    No. The blame rests with Democratic primary voters. That isn't victim blaming because those voters aren't victims. They made a choice and they need to own it. Just like Trump voters and just like third party swing state voters. Playing the victim is not owning anything.
    But the false narrative keeps getting played: that trump voters were pushed to vote for him in a reaction to the left. This of course is bullshit. Many were drawn to his message. 
    Tons were drawn to his message. It will forever be a national embarrassment. I am still stunned that he got the votes he did.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,610
    edited September 11
    JimmyV said:
    CM189191 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Disagree. All the challenges and disadvantages female candidates face in this country (and absolutely agreed, there are many, they run deep, and they are all bogus) wouldn't have prevented a better female candidate from defeating Donald Trump in 2016. The Democrats chose to nominate a candidate they knew was the subject of an active FBI investigation. It cannot be overstated how reckless that decision was. If Nate Silver is right and it was Comey who tipped the election, that decision looks even worse. The other baggage, not the gender, led to Hillary Clinton's defeat. Almost anyone else, male or female, would have beaten Donald Trump. I firmly believe that.

    if anyone thought Trump had a chance at winning, people would have come out in droves to vote for HC. when the media reports that trump had an 8% chance of winning, people think "oh well, then I don't need to bother". 
    That reminds me, what ever happened to that FBI investigation? Anything ever come of it? It's almost as if it was political grandstanding all along....

    Yet somehow the blame rests with Hillary and the DNC?
    No blame rests on the GOP for conducting a political witch hunt and character assassination against the most qualified candidate ever?
    No blame rests on the voter for being able to recognize she was being slandered?

     Victim blaming at it's finest, folks!

    No. The blame rests with Democratic primary voters. That isn't victim blaming because those voters aren't victims. They made a choice and they need to own it. Just like Trump voters and just like third party swing state voters. Playing the victim is not owning anything.
    But the false narrative keeps getting played: that trump voters were pushed to vote for him in a reaction to the left. This of course is bullshit. Many were drawn to his message. 
    I agree. I think this false narrative keeps getting played because the Trump voters are now just feeling defensive and need some excuse other than "I'm a fucking stupid asshole". Stupid assholes never admit they're stupid assholes. They blame everything bad they do on others.
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  • Who really cares anymore about this Hillary person and what never was and never will be?  Really.  
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    Who really cares anymore about this Hillary person and what never was and never will be?  Really.  
    with Clintons there's always a purpose, Hillary is taking the temperature of voters, the base, attempting to reposition the Democratic party, turning against populism. never underestimate a Clinton, even Chelsea. for reelz!

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