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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,199
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC
    This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

    This is what my understanding of this verse was.  
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 3,646
    edited April 12
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC
    This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

    This is what my understanding of this verse was.  
    I did a bit of research and this is my understanding as well.  

    Post edited by PJPOWER on
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC
    This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

    This is what my understanding of this verse was.  
    but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

    all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC
    This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

    This is what my understanding of this verse was.  
    but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

    all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 
    Yeah that's a good point, I think he is considered God in the flesh.  But still, I don't think he was the king in the parable, and judgment day was always a theme.  

    And yes, obedience or death was the name of the game.  But Jesus also preached sympathy, helping the poor, humility, welcoming of strangers, etc.  These are all good lessons for today.


  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC
    This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

    This is what my understanding of this verse was.  
    but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

    all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 
    Yeah that's a good point, I think he is considered God in the flesh.  But still, I don't think he was the king in the parable, and judgment day was always a theme.  

    And yes, obedience or death was the name of the game.  But Jesus also preached sympathy, helping the poor, humility, welcoming of strangers, etc.  These are all good lessons for today.


    this is part of what bugs me about religion. 

    jesus is humble and sympathetic and a good person when it suits the agenda. 
    god expects obedience, subservience, and those who don't to be killed. 

    but jesus is god and god is jesus. just not when we're talking about the "my way or death" part.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC
    This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

    This is what my understanding of this verse was.  
    but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

    all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 
    Yeah that's a good point, I think he is considered God in the flesh.  But still, I don't think he was the king in the parable, and judgment day was always a theme.  

    And yes, obedience or death was the name of the game.  But Jesus also preached sympathy, helping the poor, humility, welcoming of strangers, etc.  These are all good lessons for today.


    this is part of what bugs me about religion. 

    jesus is humble and sympathetic and a good person when it suits the agenda. 
    god expects obedience, subservience, and those who don't to be killed. 

    but jesus is god and god is jesus. just not when we're talking about the "my way or death" part.  
    All this presumes we should take the fact that he is the Son of God literally.  The Bible was written by man, it's corrupted by man, it suits man.  There is certainly a difference between the old and new testaments.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - JC
    This was a parable, not an instruction by JC.  Most have interpreted this where the "King" is God and this is taking place on judgment day.  Jesus is not king in this story.  

    This is what my understanding of this verse was.  
    but isn't JC God on earth? they are one in the same, are they not? what kind of god instructs the destruction of his own children? and yet the right wing nutters talk about Allah wanting the same thing for his enemies. 

    all major religions are the same. obedience or death. 
    Yeah that's a good point, I think he is considered God in the flesh.  But still, I don't think he was the king in the parable, and judgment day was always a theme.  

    And yes, obedience or death was the name of the game.  But Jesus also preached sympathy, helping the poor, humility, welcoming of strangers, etc.  These are all good lessons for today.


    this is part of what bugs me about religion. 

    jesus is humble and sympathetic and a good person when it suits the agenda. 
    god expects obedience, subservience, and those who don't to be killed. 

    but jesus is god and god is jesus. just not when we're talking about the "my way or death" part.  
    All this presumes we should take the fact that he is the Son of God literally.  The Bible was written by man, it's corrupted by man, it suits man.  There is certainly a difference between the old and new testaments.  
    I think it's all rubbish. for that very reason (written by man with an obvious agenda)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,037
    edited April 12
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    "Jesus" (who I'm not even totally convinced even existed btw) was 100% against organized religion altogether - that was really the whole point behind everything he supposedly did. But that isn't relevant, since literally any politician who embeds the whole "I'm Christian" thing into his platform is going off of all the twisted organized shit that came after so-called Christ's life, and that does technically include the New Testament IMO. If anyone REALLY followed "Christ's" supposed teachings, they wouldn't even own a Bible and wouldn't really be able to call themselves Christians.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,037
    edited April 12
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,037
    edited April 12
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    :tired_face: Why would you encourage that or do that? What about separation of church and state? Including all the religions doesn't promote that very, very important concept. Government doesn't need to reference religion to be moral and rational. Plus, doing that opens up a disturbing door, because you'd still only be alluding to the major religions of the world, and the vast majority of people within those religions, it is VERY much about religion, not some random, subjective idea about spirituality without religion even though you're referencing what are very specifically teachings from organized religions. Also, those who follow minor religions and cults would probably cry foul too. Like, oh, hey, you forgot about Ron L. Hubbard's teachings!! And Osho's! Oh, and you did forget all the Hindu deities. I believe they have 33 million of them.
    No, religion in politics simply does not work on any level, no matter what direction you try to take it, no matter how good the intentions. Total separation of church and state is the only logical way to go, as well the the way that would best promote peace and diversity.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,037
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    :tired_face: Why would you encourage that or do that? What about separation of church and state? Including all the religions doesn't promote that very, very important concept. Government doesn't need to reference religion to be moral and rational. Plus, doing that opens up a disturbing door, because you'd still only be alluding to the major religions of the world, and the vast majority of people within those religions, it is VERY much about religion, not some random, subjective idea about spirituality without religion even though you're referencing what are very specifically teachings from organized religions. Also, those who follow minor religions and cults would probably cry foul too. Like, oh, hey, you forgot about Ron L. Hubbard's teachings!! And Osho's! Oh, and you did forget all the Hindu deities. I believe they have 33 million of them.
    No, religion in politics simply does not work on any level, no matter what direction you try to take it, no matter how good the intentions. Total separation of church and state is the only logical way to go, as well the the way that would best promote peace and diversity.
    The concept of separation of church and state in our Constitution is that the government cannot establish an official religion.  This was a direct contra to Henry VIII's establishment of the Anglican church as the official religion of England.  What I would do as a politician doesn't come anywhere near that line.  Perhaps we just disagree, but I think many of these historical writings offer true wisdom that needs to be remembered.  If done properly, and the lessons are universal, it can bring people together, not compartmentalize them. 

    For example, the Good Samaritan is clearly a lesson that the Islamophobes need to remember.  If making a speech about the need for immigration reform and acceptance of minorities, why not tie it to a classic parable?  Matthew said, " For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me..".  

    You have to remember that religion is still a central part of lives here in the States.  I would try to use the true teachings to bring people together, rather than the wedge it is today.  And ignoring the central role cedes the ground to the Right.  I am sick of the perverted Christianity like the alt -right and the "prosperity gospel".  


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
    PJ_Soul said:
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
    mrussel1 said:
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    even if that is true, and it might be (I read conflicting things about that all the time), the idea that Jesus of the Bible is the same as Historical Jesus is conjecture at best. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    even if that is true, and it might be (I read conflicting things about that all the time), the idea that Jesus of the Bible is the same as Historical Jesus is conjecture at best. 
    I'm not arguing that he is the Son of God.  But that doesn't make the parables any less universal.  That's my point.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,037
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    There is actually a lot of controversy about that. But even if that weren't true, Christianity has very little relation to anything Jesus is reported to have preached. He was anti-establishment, and that is literally the only reason he did anything, really, whereas Christianity is the exact opposite of that. If Jesus really did exist, he must be rolling in his grave! (HAHA)
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,037
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    even if that is true, and it might be (I read conflicting things about that all the time), the idea that Jesus of the Bible is the same as Historical Jesus is conjecture at best. 
    I'm not arguing that he is the Son of God.  But that doesn't make the parables any less universal.  That's my point.  
    There are pretty well-established arguments against him existing outside of him being the son of God. Many think Jesus was never just a man either. As I mentioned, I'm not convinced either way (yet) ... but some of those arguments are pretty good.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    There is actually a lot of controversy about that. But even if that weren't true, Christianity has very little relation to anything Jesus is reported to have preached. He was anti-establishment, and that is literally the only reason he did anything, really, whereas Christianity is the exact opposite.
    I don't know what you mean.... Jesus showed up in contemporaneous writings soon after his death.  

    You guys are getting hung up on the history of the Church and the crimes, vs the teachings.  I'm focused on the teachings.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 18,757
    wait folks so Jesus was a republican lol lets get back to todays GOP party the one who said they would balace the budget the one with boy wonder Ryan who professed to be the savior the one that the whole GOP put on a pedestal take a look at where the deficit will be come 2020 ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 41,037
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    There is actually a lot of controversy about that. But even if that weren't true, Christianity has very little relation to anything Jesus is reported to have preached. He was anti-establishment, and that is literally the only reason he did anything, really, whereas Christianity is the exact opposite.
    I don't know what you mean.... Jesus showed up in contemporaneous writings soon after his death.  

    You guys are getting hung up on the history of the Church and the crimes, vs the teachings.  I'm focused on the teachings.  
    They started showing up maybe 50 years after his supposed death (again, all that is questionable).
    But anyway, bringing "Christ's teachings" (as defined by Christianity over the past 2000 years) into politics is a terrible, terrible mistake being committed daily by politicians - that's the main point I think. I mean, one doesn't ever need to think of, speak or, or even know of Jesus to focus on what I assume you're talking about: don't be a greedy lying asshole, don't let others suffer in the face of abundance, don't hurt others, and don't be a bigot. Yeah, that stuff is easy to understand and to work towards in politics without referring to Jesus.
    Although we should keep in mind that those things are not compatible with capitalism. That's a bit of a problem.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 4,976
    mrussel1 said:
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    Also no controversy that he was jewish.

    And how do we know that?

    Because he lived at home till.he was 30 and his mother thought he was god.


    Ba dum bum  =)
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
    mrussel1 said:
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    There is actually a lot of controversy about that. But even if that weren't true, Christianity has very little relation to anything Jesus is reported to have preached. He was anti-establishment, and that is literally the only reason he did anything, really, whereas Christianity is the exact opposite.
    I don't know what you mean.... Jesus showed up in contemporaneous writings soon after his death.  

    You guys are getting hung up on the history of the Church and the crimes, vs the teachings.  I'm focused on the teachings.  
    I'm not hung up on anything. I think that using Jesus's teachings, to the general populace, would be indistinguishable from the Christian Jesus. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
    mrussel1 said:
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    There is actually a lot of controversy about that. But even if that weren't true, Christianity has very little relation to anything Jesus is reported to have preached. He was anti-establishment, and that is literally the only reason he did anything, really, whereas Christianity is the exact opposite.
    I don't know what you mean.... Jesus showed up in contemporaneous writings soon after his death.  

    You guys are getting hung up on the history of the Church and the crimes, vs the teachings.  I'm focused on the teachings.  
    I'm not hung up on anything. I think that using Jesus's teachings, to the general populace, would be indistinguishable from the Christian Jesus. 
    The left has ceded the ground to the right and it has hurt the left.  Yet, Jesus's teachings were completely liberal.  Now I'm being a cold, calculating political bastard here, but if his teachings align with progressive ideals (which you lined out above), then this is way to find commonality between the left and right and heal the rift!  And try to build the base!  That's my point.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 9,089
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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    Also no controversy that he was jewish.

    And how do we know that?

    Because he lived at home till.he was 30 and his mother thought he was god.


    Ba dum bum  =)
    That is a terrible, awful stereotype. 


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    Christianity is not incompatible with freedom,  not when you read the actual New Testament.  In fact,  Christianity is directly incompatible with the alt-Right.  Jesus's teachings on the poor,  the humble and "strangers" run directly counter. 
    (replying to old post) True, but this is not where my head goes when any politician names his religion as a quality voters should be considering. Just that alone rings the alarm bells. I don't think any politician should ever mention their religion as a part of their campaign, because doing so necessarily indicates they intend to apply their religious beliefs to governance, and that is wrong IMO.
    I won't argue that religion should be a part of political life.  I will argue that if we lived the New Testament and the actual Word , we would have a better world.  Your alarm bells are triggered by centuries of corruption of His teachings.

    Well, sure. The Christ as described in the bible was an activist and a socialist. Hard to imagine the right today embracing these principles.  
    Exactly!  That's why the left should not shun Christianity, rather take it back from the Right.  
    religion is not the solution. it is part of the problem. 
    Agreed. Politically, the left shouldn't reference any religion at all, unless they're talking about how it's irrelevant.
    That's an interesting point, because you use the word "religion".  I think of it as spirituality which would include Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed (where appropriate, but admittedly not familiar with his true teachings), and even Ghandi.  And I would highly encourage Democrats to pin their messages to the spiritual teachings of the aforementioned people.  If I ever ran for office, I would absolutely tie my policies to those teachings.  
    I would tie my policies to inspirational humans from history, not beings that may or may not exist and cause so much political and ethical polarity. 
    Yeah, that's a much better idea!
    The historical Jesus existed.  There is very little controversy about that.  
    There is actually a lot of controversy about that. But even if that weren't true, Christianity has very little relation to anything Jesus is reported to have preached. He was anti-establishment, and that is literally the only reason he did anything, really, whereas Christianity is the exact opposite.
    I don't know what you mean.... Jesus showed up in contemporaneous writings soon after his death.  

    You guys are getting hung up on the history of the Church and the crimes, vs the teachings.  I'm focused on the teachings.  
    I'm not hung up on anything. I think that using Jesus's teachings, to the general populace, would be indistinguishable from the Christian Jesus. 
    The left has ceded the ground to the right and it has hurt the left.  Yet, Jesus's teachings were completely liberal.  Now I'm being a cold, calculating political bastard here, but if his teachings align with progressive ideals (which you lined out above), then this is way to find commonality between the left and right and heal the rift!  And try to build the base!  That's my point.  
    My point was that you need to do that without referring to religion, because religion is necessarily divisive. Keep Jesus and every other religious character, including God, out of it, and everything would go much more smoothly. I don't feel like pandering to the right's religious fanatics is a viable plan, personally. Separation of church and state should be just that, even for the right wing nutters. Until America learns that lesson, the chances of things getting better are slim to none.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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