Google and the James Damore Memo

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,186
    Bottom line is Google had right to do this as free speech does not apply within a company.  However, it is an extremely dangerous precedent.  The next time a woman gets fired or not promoted bc she "wrote an email to someone," remember the rights you didn't fight for this young man.
    Your first sentence said he basically had no rights, then your last sentence suggests that he did have rights?
    Yes.  That's what that means.
    He has rights no rights. Glad we cleared that up. 
    Ok.  I will help you out his once.   He has rights.  Google was within its rights.   You can stand up for him if you don't want to see your rights trampled in the future.
    Sorry but the Supreme Court spoke on this issue quite awhile ago. But feel free to be outraged and start a petition on whitehouse.gov. It might make you feel better.
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  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 4,964
    Bottom line is Google had right to do this as free speech does not apply within a company.  However, it is an extremely dangerous precedent.  The next time a woman gets fired or not promoted bc she "wrote an email to someone," remember the rights you didn't fight for this young man.
    HYour first sentence said he basically had no rights, then your last sentence suggests that he did have rights?
    Yes.  That's what that means.
    He has rights no rights. Glad we cleared that up. 
    Ok.  I will help you out his once.   He has rights.  Google was within its rights.   You can stand up for him if you don't want to see your rights trampled in the future.
    Sorry but the Supreme Court spoke on this issue quite awhile ago. But feel free to be outraged and start a petition on whitehouse.gov. It might make you feel better.
    I'm not outraged.  You're missing the point.   I simply don't see how folks can be against him speaking his mind.   It's a dangerous game the liberals play in suppressing what they don't agree with.  Don't get sucked into it.   But, it doesn't anger me in the least.  You have the right to come down on whatever side you want.  Just having a conversation,   That's our problem. We don't have conversations sharing ideas anymore, and this is just another example.  Oh boy, you hurt my feelings.  You must be fired.  Get over it.  
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,186
    Bottom line is Google had right to do this as free speech does not apply within a company.  However, it is an extremely dangerous precedent.  The next time a woman gets fired or not promoted bc she "wrote an email to someone," remember the rights you didn't fight for this young man.
    HYour first sentence said he basically had no rights, then your last sentence suggests that he did have rights?
    Yes.  That's what that means.
    He has rights no rights. Glad we cleared that up. 
    Ok.  I will help you out his once.   He has rights.  Google was within its rights.   You can stand up for him if you don't want to see your rights trampled in the future.
    Sorry but the Supreme Court spoke on this issue quite awhile ago. But feel free to be outraged and start a petition on whitehouse.gov. It might make you feel better.
    I'm not outraged.  You're missing the point.   I simply don't see how folks can be against him speaking his mind.   It's a dangerous game the liberals play in suppressing what they don't agree with.  Don't get sucked into it.   But, it doesn't anger me in the least.  You have the right to come down on whatever side you want.  Just having a conversation,   That's our problem. We don't have conversations sharing ideas anymore, and this is just another example.  Oh boy, you hurt my feelings.  You must be fired.  Get over it.  
    Read up on the history of the Supreme Court decision before you blame liberals for suppressing "free speech." The faux outrage on the right is laughable. Big bad google. What doesn't outrage the right these days? Perpetually angry, incapable of having a conversation because they can't see past their "outrage." See Obama, AHCA. It's phony, it's bullshit and it helps keep the status quo. If you're not outraged, good for you. But try, just try to have a conversation with a conservative. Why all the shouting?
     
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,338
    Bottom line is Google had right to do this as free speech does not apply within a company.  However, it is an extremely dangerous precedent.  The next time a woman gets fired or not promoted bc she "wrote an email to someone," remember the rights you didn't fight for this young man.
    HYour first sentence said he basically had no rights, then your last sentence suggests that he did have rights?
    Yes.  That's what that means.
    He has rights no rights. Glad we cleared that up. 
    Ok.  I will help you out his once.   He has rights.  Google was within its rights.   You can stand up for him if you don't want to see your rights trampled in the future.
    Sorry but the Supreme Court spoke on this issue quite awhile ago. But feel free to be outraged and start a petition on whitehouse.gov. It might make you feel better.
    I'm not outraged.  You're missing the point.   I simply don't see how folks can be against him speaking his mind.   It's a dangerous game the liberals play in suppressing what they don't agree with.  Don't get sucked into it.   But, it doesn't anger me in the least.  You have the right to come down on whatever side you want.  Just having a conversation,   That's our problem. We don't have conversations sharing ideas anymore, and this is just another example.  Oh boy, you hurt my feelings.  You must be fired.  Get over it.  
    Googles position seems to be that the memo was against the company values. Further that company property and time was spent to disseminate that memo as well. I dont recall them saying he didnt have the right to say, think, or believe what ever his heart desired. Just dont do it on the company dime.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,186
    edited August 13
    mickeyrat said:
    Bottom line is Google had right to do this as free speech does not apply within a company.  However, it is an extremely dangerous precedent.  The next time a woman gets fired or not promoted bc she "wrote an email to someone," remember the rights you didn't fight for this young man.
    HYour first sentence said he basically had no rights, then your last sentence suggests that he did have rights?
    Yes.  That's what that means.
    He has rights no rights. Glad we cleared that up. 
    Ok.  I will help you out his once.   He has rights.  Google was within its rights.   You can stand up for him if you don't want to see your rights trampled in the future.
    Sorry but the Supreme Court spoke on this issue quite awhile ago. But feel free to be outraged and start a petition on whitehouse.gov. It might make you feel better.
    I'm not outraged.  You're missing the point.   I simply don't see how folks can be against him speaking his mind.   It's a dangerous game the liberals play in suppressing what they don't agree with.  Don't get sucked into it.   But, it doesn't anger me in the least.  You have the right to come down on whatever side you want.  Just having a conversation,   That's our problem. We don't have conversations sharing ideas anymore, and this is just another example.  Oh boy, you hurt my feelings.  You must be fired.  Get over it.  
    Googles position seems to be that the memo was against the company values. Further that company property and time was spent to disseminate that memo as well. I dont recall them saying he didnt have the right to say, think, or believe what ever his heart desired. Just dont do it on the company dime.

    Exactly. Hence why I'm perplexed by the faux outrage. Imagine a mobile/Exxon employee circulating a 12 page memo about environmental degradation caused by oil exploration and drilling who happens to be a member of the Green Party. There'd be no rush to oppose their firing by conservatives on a free speech basis.
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