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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 3,215
    Looking forward to the remix.  The broadcast copy is too thin for some things and too loud and tin-like for Ed
    ISO:  2010 Hartford AP
  • GibsonGibson TorontoPosts: 1,488
    benjs said:
    demetrios said:
    Holy shit!!! Standard International Shipping  $43.99 US to Canada?
    The sad part is, I said that exact same thing to myself... then I bought it :( 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,148
    While my true wish was for Vault 7 to be a post-2002 show, this is pretty sweet because now I can take the original minty promo one off my "vinyl I need" list. And that's great, because it was too hard to find the real deal, and even if I did, it would be too expensive..... Even more expensive than Vault 7 is, with it's $48 USD intl shipping. :tired_face:
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  • ZodZod Posts: 5,141
    PJ_Soul said:
    While my true wish was for Vault 7 to be a post-2002 show, this is pretty sweet because now I can take the original minty promo one off my "vinyl I need" list. And that's great, because it was too hard to find the real deal, and even if I did, it would be too expensive..... Even more expensive than Vault 7 is, with it's $48 USD intl shipping. :tired_face:
    Yah I paid $225cdn + shipping for my promo copy a few years ago.   It was a legit copy and luckily it was sold by vintage vinyl directly on ebay.   It was a pretty good price I though, but now that there will be a legit version that doesn't sound like shit, I imagine the values of the promo vinyl will drop.


  • drummerboy_73drummerboy_73 Las Vegas, NVPosts: 1,827
    I'm kind of on the fence with this one. One of my favorite boots to listen to, but I tend to listen to live recordings top to bottom, in order, to get the closest listening experience to that show and setlist. Getting incomplete/re-ordered recordings takes away from that. However, in this case, having the existing multi-track recordings remixed and remastered for vinyl might just sway me this time to get it. I guess I have a couple of months to ponder it at least...
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 646
    The postage on all these things is ridiculous
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  • pjpitt89pjpitt89 Posts: 1,077
    SK203708 said:
    So are the digital tracks not included on the vinyl remixed and remastered as well?

    The question is, will the vinyl-tracks be included in the digital dl or will we get 3/4 on vinyl and 1/4 as digital dl - that's how I'm reading it and that would mean no complete show whatsoever if one is buying vinyl-only. Hope I'm wrong.

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  • mcwyffemcwyffe Posts: 48
    So lame that they aren't releasing the last lp because it isn't multitrack. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,148
    edited July 10
    pjpitt89 said:
    SK203708 said:
    So are the digital tracks not included on the vinyl remixed and remastered as well?

    The question is, will the vinyl-tracks be included in the digital dl or will we get 3/4 on vinyl and 1/4 as digital dl - that's how I'm reading it and that would mean no complete show whatsoever if one is buying vinyl-only. Hope I'm wrong.

    When I ordered it, I read it to mean that the digitally sourced tracks would be incorporated into the complete album. But now that I go back and read it again, it is clear that they will be separate from the vinyl and only digital ... Actually, I could have sworn the wording was much different when I first read it at 10am and ordered. Before, the description went on about how it's now a 3LP album, blah blah, and it definitely seemed to say that the digital tracks would be on the vinyl. It actually made a point of advertising it as such I thought. But now they took all that out of the description and now it's pretty clear that that isn't the case. Bummer (and weird). I would have really liked for those songs to be incorporated. It would have made the album unique compared to the promo version.... of course, I don't know how shitty they would have sounded mixed in with the rest of the show. Perhaps it would sound so ridiculous that this was the best decision.
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  • Can someone give me a sense on how "essential" this release is for someone who loves boots and vinyl but doesn't have any PJ live on vinyl? This is a big price tag and I've always wanted a PJ bootleg on vinyl, but I want to make sure this is going to sound amazing and that this was a classic show. Sorry for the newbie question. :)
  • ZodZod Posts: 5,141
    edited July 10
    Can someone give me a sense on how "essential" this release is for someone who loves boots and vinyl but doesn't have any PJ live on vinyl? This is a big price tag and I've always wanted a PJ bootleg on vinyl, but I want to make sure this is going to sound amazing and that this was a classic show. Sorry for the newbie question. :)
    There's an argument to be had that Soldier Field might be the finest show they ever played.  Top 5 show for sure (well maybe top 10 if we all start arguing).    It's a pretty legendary show. 

    It's a shame it's incomplete, but I imagine it's going to sound pretty good.  While I understand the "missing" tracks weren't of the same calibur in terms of audio quality, I would of preferred they spliced them in there to create a full chronological copy of the show.

    I'll still buy it, because you kind of have to, so you can continue to own all the pearl jam records :)   I'm sure I'll spin it from time to time, but I'll probably be more prone to listening to the completed digital version (which I hope they put in sequential order).
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  • FoxyRedLaFoxyRedLa Lauren / MIPosts: 4,396
    I agree with Zod and everyone else what a joke it's not the full show. What a turn off! Boooooooooo!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,648
    So... 
    It's the right decision to not put the non-multi track songs on vinyl.  Having songs on same wax that are sourced from two different places would have been a terrible decision.  It would have killed the mojo of the whole record.
    However...
    That's a good decision that is on follows a bad one in my opinion.  Why are they choosing Soldier Field when it is an incomplete source?  I guess you could argue because it's a classic show, but so is Randal's Island and lots of other shows.  The cynic in me says they are trying to take down the bootlegging of vinyl that has started with their shows.  Unfortunately that's an unwinnable battle.  They will forever be chasing the bootleggers, much different than just releasing digital.  
  • AfghanTwilightAfghanTwilight Rochester, NYPosts: 697
    Inexcusable not to press a separate record for the encores. All it takes is a disclaimer that the source is digital and you've got your bases covered for anyone who feels threatened they may have received an inferior product. You have to offer people the entire show digitally for free if they buy the wax. It's the right thing to do so they can listen to the whole show in one place--this shouldn't be like trying to listen to some silly Flaming Lips record.

    (The alternative is finding those files elsewhere, I suppose.) Sure, I already have had the show complete in myriad formats for longer than many fans here have listened to the band, but it's time they actually put the fans' perspective into their decisions to exclude content from one medium over another.
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 6,895
    mrussel1 said:
    So... 
    It's the right decision to not put the non-multi track songs on vinyl.  Having songs on same wax that are sourced from two different places would have been a terrible decision.  It would have killed the mojo of the whole record.
    However...
    That's a good decision that is on follows a bad one in my opinion.  Why are they choosing Soldier Field when it is an incomplete source?  I guess you could argue because it's a classic show, but so is Randal's Island and lots of other shows.  The cynic in me says they are trying to take down the bootlegging of vinyl that has started with their shows.  Unfortunately that's an unwinnable battle.  They will forever be chasing the bootleggers, much different than just releasing digital.  
    I swear, the day they release Randall's Island on LP, I'll buy three copies without batting a lash.
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  • erocshiftyerocshifty Posts: 927
    Any idea when the download or cd will be in the shop? 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,648
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So... 
    It's the right decision to not put the non-multi track songs on vinyl.  Having songs on same wax that are sourced from two different places would have been a terrible decision.  It would have killed the mojo of the whole record.
    However...
    That's a good decision that is on follows a bad one in my opinion.  Why are they choosing Soldier Field when it is an incomplete source?  I guess you could argue because it's a classic show, but so is Randal's Island and lots of other shows.  The cynic in me says they are trying to take down the bootlegging of vinyl that has started with their shows.  Unfortunately that's an unwinnable battle.  They will forever be chasing the bootleggers, much different than just releasing digital.  
    I swear, the day they release Randall's Island on LP, I'll buy three copies without batting a lash.
    Me too... Love those shows.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,148
    edited July 10
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 2,794
    The reality is that many of these old shows are probably incomplete just like Soldier Field and we may only be able to get partially complete shows, so what's better, a partial excellent mixed bootleg or nothing at all? It seems we have gotten a bit greedy. I'm bummed the whole show isn't available for the LP, but excited they are finally making this one official. This and Australia get the most playing from 95 for me besides the end of the tour US dates that are pretty good quality. I'm curious to hear how much difference there will be since I actually thought the bootleg out there sounds pretty damn good, especially with all the crowd noise.

    There's a pretty good chance most of these old shows will be missing tracks, so anyone wishing for Randal's, Indio, Oakland or whatever may be disappointed unless we change our view on what we get.

    As for shipping prices, sorry to all those in the international zones. That really sucks.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 3,215
    Not gonna complain.  Its a new Vault!!!!!

    :triumph:
    ISO:  2010 Hartford AP
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 2,794
    PJ_Soul said:
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
    Interesting to hear about this. Have you contacted anyone for clarification? I would have been a bit pissed if it had stated they were going to be on vinyl and then later that was changed after I ordered.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • rrebernrrebern ChicagoPosts: 59
    Yeah great show and all, (literal) bootleg CD widely circulated already... yada yada..  but for fu*k's sake give us Wrigley already!
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan MarylandPosts: 8,746
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
    Interesting to hear about this. Have you contacted anyone for clarification? I would have been a bit pissed if it had stated they were going to be on vinyl and then later that was changed after I ordered.
    I bought it just after it went live, and the description now is the same as when I bough it. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,148
    edited July 10
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
    Interesting to hear about this. Have you contacted anyone for clarification? I would have been a bit pissed if it had stated they were going to be on vinyl and then later that was changed after I ordered.
    No, I haven't contacted anyone... I'm thinking maybe Santos might read this thread, since it's his, so perhaps he'll say something, but I doubt it. Either way, yes, it's disappointing to get excited about something and then find out later it's been taken away/never existed, but since I have no intention of cancelling the order, and since I would have ordered it if they'd never said any of that in the first place, I figure contacting 10C and complaining or asking for clarification directly would be pretty pointless. It is now extremely clear that the extra tracks won't be on the vinyl after all. They obviously know they posted incorrect info, which is why they removed it. It's just an "OOPS" moment I guess.
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  • erocshiftyerocshifty Posts: 927
    Damn, just saw that cd/digital won't be available until the vinyl ships. Didn't see that initially. 
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  • RP112579RP112579 Tinley Park, ILPosts: 2,208
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    What's throwing me off is the fact that the description changed dramatically AFTER it was available for purchase. I mean, I would have bought it either way, but that whole part about how there are a ton of boots out there so they are releasing this, and how the missing tracks would be included on the vinyl was the most important part of the item description! I read it and immediately went and purchased it. Then an hour later I come back to find that all of that info was incorrect and deleted. As I say, I would have bought it anyway, since I'm not about to have an incomplete Vault series (besides 1 and 2, AHEM!! ;) ), but nevertheless, I feel disappointed that the complete show on vinyl was "cancelled" like that after I got excited about it and ordered. I guess there was some miscommunication at 10C or whatever. :frowning:  Ooohhh weeellll. (I wonder why they took out the part about the illegal boot problem? I enjoyed that they mentioned that issue, and that they are being open about it!).
    Interesting to hear about this. Have you contacted anyone for clarification? I would have been a bit pissed if it had stated they were going to be on vinyl and then later that was changed after I ordered.
    I bought it just after it went live, and the description now is the same as when I bough it. 
    Yep. It's exactly the same as it was when I read it after it first went up. 
    6/29/98 Chicago-United Center
    6/18/03 Chicago-United Center
    5/17/06 Chicago-United Center
    7/19/13 Chicago-Wrigley Field
    10/11/13 Pittsburgh-Consol Energy Center
    10/17/14 Moline-IWireless Center (No Code)
    10/20/14 Milwaukee-Bradley center (Yield)
    4/26/16 Lexington-Rupp Arena
    8/20/16 Chicago-Wrigley Field
    8/22/16 Chicago-Wrigley Field
  • wecrazybobwecrazybob Posts: 739
    Can any one clarify EXACTLY which tracks will NOT be on the vinyl?
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 2,185
    Can any one clarify EXACTLY which tracks will NOT be on the vinyl?
    It's right on the product page
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 11,013
    Can any one clarify EXACTLY which tracks will NOT be on the vinyl?
    Digital Tracks:

    Everyday People
    Let My Love Open the Door
    Better Man
    Rearviewmirror
    Black
    Blood
    Yellow Ledbetter
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  • ZodZod Posts: 5,141
    edited July 10
    tbergs said:
    The reality is that many of these old shows are probably incomplete just like Soldier Field and we may only be able to get partially complete shows, so what's better, a partial excellent mixed bootleg or nothing at all? It seems we have gotten a bit greedy. I'm bummed the whole show isn't available for the LP, but excited they are finally making this one official. This and Australia get the most playing from 95 for me besides the end of the tour US dates that are pretty good quality. I'm curious to hear how much difference there will be since I actually thought the bootleg out there sounds pretty damn good, especially with all the crowd noise.

    There's a pretty good chance most of these old shows will be missing tracks, so anyone wishing for Randal's, Indio, Oakland or whatever may be disappointed unless we change our view on what we get.

    As for shipping prices, sorry to all those in the international zones. That really sucks.
    I had always assumed the band had recorded the majority of their shows, but maybe that's not the case (I'm not sure where I read that they had).   If they didn't maybe you are right.  Maybe the pre '98 soundboards are fewer and more far between than we thought?

    Either that or the technology at the time cause various f'ups during the recording process and left songs incomplete (tape flips maybe?)
    Post edited by Zod on
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