I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I've talked about this before as well. I'm certain it's what makes death so easy for my brother to deal with. even a close family member, he will be at the funeral smiling, doing the eulogy, because he "knows" this person is gone for now, but he will see them again. and I've argued that same thing with believers, that I WISH I still believed, just as you pointed out, it would make day to day life more bearable, I think. the comfort of knowing this isn't it, that you'll see your dead family members again, etc.
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I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
For me, heaven are those little moments in life where everything lines up just perfectly. Life is a sea a worry and trouble but when those little islands of pure joy show up, ohhh yeahhhh!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I've talked about this before as well. I'm certain it's what makes death so easy for my brother to deal with. even a close family member, he will be at the funeral smiling, doing the eulogy, because he "knows" this person is gone for now, but he will see them again. and I've argued that same thing with believers, that I WISH I still believed, just as you pointed out, it would make day to day life more bearable, I think. the comfort of knowing this isn't it, that you'll see your dead family members again, etc.
I guess this is why I've put as much effort into this thread as I have. Knowing that with some, I might be just as popular as a hair in a biscuit. I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's. Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right? Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. If anything I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I've talked about this before as well. I'm certain it's what makes death so easy for my brother to deal with. even a close family member, he will be at the funeral smiling, doing the eulogy, because he "knows" this person is gone for now, but he will see them again. and I've argued that same thing with believers, that I WISH I still believed, just as you pointed out, it would make day to day life more bearable, I think. the comfort of knowing this isn't it, that you'll see your dead family members again, etc.
I guess this is why I've put as much effort into this thread as I have. Knowing that with some, I might be just as popular as a hair in a biscuit. I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's. Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right? Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. Isn't that crazy? Even if what I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but I have absolutely no desire the for the kind peace of mind that you kindly offer. Also, I have absolutely no desire for calm any anxieties I may have about death via delusion (sorry, no offense - I don't know how else to put it). As I said, I find great peace of mind via my Atheism and the ways in which I take in the world. I think I probably feel the same way about people suggesting I need something more than my Atheism as a religious person would if I tried to convince them that they would be better off dropping their faith. If you really wanted to express care for me, it would be better shown by totally accepting that I have found my own comfort and peace that is just as solid as yours is - thinking I'm going to go to Heaven is not a requirement for that. I certainly accept that you've found your own, even though I don't believe in what you base it on and don't approve of organized religion and its dogma. I would never even consider trying to convert you to Atheism because that would just be rude.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I've talked about this before as well. I'm certain it's what makes death so easy for my brother to deal with. even a close family member, he will be at the funeral smiling, doing the eulogy, because he "knows" this person is gone for now, but he will see them again. and I've argued that same thing with believers, that I WISH I still believed, just as you pointed out, it would make day to day life more bearable, I think. the comfort of knowing this isn't it, that you'll see your dead family members again, etc.
I guess this is why I've put as much effort into this thread as I have. Knowing that with some, I might be just as popular as a hair in a biscuit. I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's. Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right? Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. Isn't that crazy? Even if what I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but I have absolutely no desire the for the kind peace of mind that you kindly offer. Also, I have absolutely no desire for calm any anxieties I may have about death via delusion (sorry, no offense - I don't know how else to put it). As I said, I find great peace of mind via my Atheism and the ways in which I take in the world. I think I probably feel the same way about people suggesting I need something more than my Atheism as a religious person would if I tried to convince them that they would be better off dropping their faith. If you really wanted to express care for me, it would be better shown by totally accepting that I have found my own comfort and peace that is just as solid as yours is - thinking I'm going to go to Heaven is not a requirement for that. I certainly accept that you've found your own, even though I don't believe in what you base it on and don't approve of organized religion and its dogma. I would never even consider trying to convert you to Atheism because that would just be rude.
If you're happy with your light's out at the end theory, I totally respect that. More power to you.
I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I've talked about this before as well. I'm certain it's what makes death so easy for my brother to deal with. even a close family member, he will be at the funeral smiling, doing the eulogy, because he "knows" this person is gone for now, but he will see them again. and I've argued that same thing with believers, that I WISH I still believed, just as you pointed out, it would make day to day life more bearable, I think. the comfort of knowing this isn't it, that you'll see your dead family members again, etc.
I guess this is why I've put as much effort into this thread as I have. Knowing that with some, I might be just as popular as a hair in a biscuit. I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's. Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right? Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. Isn't that crazy? Even if what I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but I have absolutely no desire the for the kind peace of mind that you kindly offer. Also, I have absolutely no desire for calm any anxieties I may have about death via delusion (sorry, no offense - I don't know how else to put it). As I said, I find great peace of mind via my Atheism and the ways in which I take in the world. I think I probably feel the same way about people suggesting I need something more than my Atheism as a religious person would if I tried to convince them that they would be better off dropping their faith. If you really wanted to express care for me, it would be better shown by totally accepting that I have found my own comfort and peace that is just as solid as yours is - thinking I'm going to go to Heaven is not a requirement for that. I certainly accept that you've found your own, even though I don't believe in what you base it on and don't approve of organized religion and its dogma. I would never even consider trying to convert you to Atheism because that would just be rude.
I'm not trying to convert people. If you're happy with your light's out at the end theory, more power to you.
I disagree that you're not trying to convert people on at least some level, because you keep making comments to the contrary throughout this thread, i.e. "I would like to help someone find that peace of mind". Is it the word "conversion" that you have an issue with? I don't really have a theory. I just think lights out is by far the most likely scenario, given all the scientific facts. I have acknowledged that one can't rule out that there could be something else that is governed by some natural process that hasn't been discovered.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm not sure I mentioned this aspect of my thinking when it comes to complete faith in God and what that does for people when thinking about the afterlife, but all other things aside, I'm kind of envious in a way. I mean, I find real comfort in being an Atheist for many reasons, but I definitely don't have that surety of going to Heaven like faithful Christians do. It must feel pretty fucking good to "KNOW" that there is an eternal paradise waiting for you at the end of the line. Of course, I believe in truth above all else, so this faith in an afterlife that is determined by ones chosen behaviour is problematic for that reason (given that I believe that truth includes accepting that there is no God or Heaven). But still, to feel that confident about carrying on after death must really make death a lot more appealing than it is to Atheists, who at best can only perhaps think there could be a minuscule possibility that an afterlife is some kind of a natural process, and most Atheists figure it's just lights out, which I figure we only really feel neutral about in the best of times.
I've talked about this before as well. I'm certain it's what makes death so easy for my brother to deal with. even a close family member, he will be at the funeral smiling, doing the eulogy, because he "knows" this person is gone for now, but he will see them again. and I've argued that same thing with believers, that I WISH I still believed, just as you pointed out, it would make day to day life more bearable, I think. the comfort of knowing this isn't it, that you'll see your dead family members again, etc.
I guess this is why I've put as much effort into this thread as I have. Knowing that with some, I might be just as popular as a hair in a biscuit. I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's. Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right? Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know. Isn't that crazy? Even if what I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but I have absolutely no desire the for the kind peace of mind that you kindly offer. Also, I have absolutely no desire for calm any anxieties I may have about death via delusion (sorry, no offense - I don't know how else to put it). As I said, I find great peace of mind via my Atheism and the ways in which I take in the world. I think I probably feel the same way about people suggesting I need something more than my Atheism as a religious person would if I tried to convince them that they would be better off dropping their faith. If you really wanted to express care for me, it would be better shown by totally accepting that I have found my own comfort and peace that is just as solid as yours is - thinking I'm going to go to Heaven is not a requirement for that. I certainly accept that you've found your own, even though I don't believe in what you base it on and don't approve of organized religion and its dogma. I would never even consider trying to convert you to Atheism because that would just be rude.
I'm not trying to convert people. If you're happy with your light's out at the end theory, more power to you.
I disagree that you're not trying to convert people on at least some level, because you keep making comments to the contrary throughout this thread, i.e. "I would like to help someone find that peace of mind". Is it the word "conversion" that you have an issue with? I don't really have a theory. I just think lights out is by far the most likely scenario, given all the scientific facts. I have acknowledged that one can't rule out that there could be something else that is governed by some natural process that hasn't been discovered.
I know you don't mean any disrespect. And I guess what I've said might be slightly confusing, in that I expressed a sense of jealousy or whatever over the fact that religious folks have this complete surety about living on after death, and having control over their fate after they die. And at the same time, I say that I have a comparable level of comfort and peace as an Atheist. I know those might seem like conflicting statements. However, the reason they aren't is because I find my own comfort and peace in relying on what I think of as truth. While I understand how comforting faith in Heaven must be, and can say that I'm envious of that particular faith, it is counteracted by the fact that I also see it as false. I find no comfort at all in finding faith in something that isn't real.... Not sure how much sense that makes - I know what I mean, lol.
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For me, Heaven is the first day after a heat wave breaks, lol. And the heat wave is, of course, hell.
I'm in hell, haha!
The past week was hell, today is heaven, and we're right back into hell by Friday..... holy fuck, they're saying it will be 39C by the middle of next week. What's worse than hell? That's where I'll be in a week. And apparently, we have California to thank for it. Your heat wave is going to be our heat wave. Jerks.
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For me, Heaven is the first day after a heat wave breaks, lol. And the heat wave is, of course, hell.
I'm in hell, haha!
The past week was hell, today is heaven, and we're right back into hell by Friday..... holy fuck, they're saying it will be 39C by the middle of next week. What's worse than hell? That's where I'll be in a week. And apparently, we have California to thank for it. Your heat wave is going to be our heat wave. Jerks.
We're at the gates of hell right now. End of the week we are going to hit 42C (108F) two days in a row and by the time this breaks will have had 38C or more for almost 2 week.
♪, ♫ "We're living in a ... HELL HOLE." ♪, ♫
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Knowing there is no heaven makes me appreciate life NOW and the wonders of the world/universe/nature are a site to behold. How incredibly lucky we are.
It's why I value human and animal life. We all only have a short time here.
Knowing there is no heaven makes me appreciate life NOW and the wonders of the world/universe/nature are a site to behold. How incredibly lucky we are.
It's why I value human and animal life. We all only have a short time here.
Now, you don't actually know for sure that there is no God & no heaven. You won't know for sure until you get to that point. I do appreciate your appreciation of the wonders of the world/universe/nature and that they are a site to behold. And how incredibly lucky we are. And that you value human and animal life, and our appreciation for good music. In that we have a lot in common.
I know you don't mean any disrespect. And I guess what I've said might be slightly confusing, in that I expressed a sense of jealousy or whatever over the fact that religious folks have this complete surety about living on after death, and having control over their fate after they die. And at the same time, I say that I have a comparable level of comfort and peace as an Atheist. I know those might seem like conflicting statements. However, the reason they aren't is because I find my own comfort and peace in relying on what I think of as truth. While I understand how comforting faith in Heaven must be, and can say that I'm envious of that particular faith, it is counteracted by the fact that I also see it as false. I find no comfort at all in finding faith in something that isn't real.... Not sure how much sense that makes - I know what I mean, lol.
I guess that converting is too strong of a word. I'm trying to straddle the line lol. I'm not here trying to force anyone. I guess my aim is for people who are not satisfied with what they believe. If you are comfortable with what you believe, then good for you, I respect that and stay put. However, if you are not satisfied with what you believe, or don't exactly know what to believe, than you might, I say might, want to give what I've suggested a try.
Knowing there is no heaven makes me appreciate life NOW and the wonders of the world/universe/nature are a site to behold. How incredibly lucky we are.
It's why I value human and animal life. We all only have a short time here.
Now, you don't actually know for sure that there is no God & no heaven. You won't know for sure until you get to that point. I do appreciate your appreciation of the wonders of the world/universe/nature and that they are a site to behold. And how incredibly lucky we are. And that you value human and animal life, and our appreciation for good music. In that we have a lot in common.
As much as I don't know that a tiny Alien is inside my dog gaining knowledge of the human race before the take over begins.
Knowing there is no heaven makes me appreciate life NOW and the wonders of the world/universe/nature are a site to behold. How incredibly lucky we are.
It's why I value human and animal life. We all only have a short time here.
I like this a lot. Even if I thought there might be a heaven I would like this a lot.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
There is great comfort when going through a trying time, giving 120% and the situation still does not go well for you. You say, I've done all I can do, it's up to god now. People of faith will say give it up to god. Or like at the funeral,"knowing loves ones are in heaven" I never found comfort in that.
Now that hat I believe in An energy source is the reason for most things, I still have the comfort of giving 120%, things don't go right, I say I have given it my all, it will either happen or it won't. Maybe belief in God helped me realize that part of life is accepting things you can't change and we don't control everything.
death is very hard, I don't think I will see my friends and family in heaven,. Even when I did believe, it wasn't comforting because I knew it would be so long before I'd get there. (Then there the whole will I get there, judgement day) I think we are here for the moment and when our moment is up and engery is dispersed we enter the next unknown of the prior state and I'm okay because I am here for now, in the present.
i still live with confidence that with my free will, the universe will take my spirit as far as it will go in this life and for whatever happens next.
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I know you don't mean any disrespect. And I guess what I've said might be slightly confusing, in that I expressed a sense of jealousy or whatever over the fact that religious folks have this complete surety about living on after death, and having control over their fate after they die. And at the same time, I say that I have a comparable level of comfort and peace as an Atheist. I know those might seem like conflicting statements. However, the reason they aren't is because I find my own comfort and peace in relying on what I think of as truth. While I understand how comforting faith in Heaven must be, and can say that I'm envious of that particular faith, it is counteracted by the fact that I also see it as false. I find no comfort at all in finding faith in something that isn't real.... Not sure how much sense that makes - I know what I mean, lol.
I guess that converting is too strong of a word. I'm trying to straddle the line lol. I'm not here trying to force anyone. I guess my aim is for people who are not satisfied with what they believe. If you are comfortable with what you believe, then good for you, I respect that and stay put. However, if you are not satisfied with what you believe, or don't exactly know what to believe, than you might, I say might, want to give what I've suggested a try.
I know you don't mean any disrespect. And I guess what I've said might be slightly confusing, in that I expressed a sense of jealousy or whatever over the fact that religious folks have this complete surety about living on after death, and having control over their fate after they die. And at the same time, I say that I have a comparable level of comfort and peace as an Atheist. I know those might seem like conflicting statements. However, the reason they aren't is because I find my own comfort and peace in relying on what I think of as truth. While I understand how comforting faith in Heaven must be, and can say that I'm envious of that particular faith, it is counteracted by the fact that I also see it as false. I find no comfort at all in finding faith in something that isn't real.... Not sure how much sense that makes - I know what I mean, lol.
yes, I know I was confused by the seemingly contradictory statements until you explained it this way.
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Just gonna toss this out there and probably said something similar within the last 43 PAGES!
Raised Jewish, now agnostic. I am not fierce in what I believe or not - moreso in saying "yeah, I don't know shit....probably will never know".
My mother had a brain stent inserted last evening after a series of small strokes, and within the agonizing hours we were waiting to know whatinthefuck was happening, a very sweet family member offered me a passage from the Torah. A prayer for someone in my mom's position, and for those pulling so fucking hard for that person.
I read the words, and took comfort in them. Cried too. Not so much in the higher power or whatever aspect of it, but the intent. And it helped, despite how unexpectedly choked up I became in the process. That's how I take anyone's prayers offered to me. No arrogance on their part, but, to me at least, an extension of love, and care. Same as "good thoughts". Who am I to refuse that? I think I'd be an asshole to do so.
Offer and receive with grace, even if spectrums differ.
Find a way through and to peace vs preaching. Let others find their way; offer help but back off when needed or when asked. Most do, in my experience.
Again, intent. Just be kind and decent, and give others the room to be as you wish for yourself.
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Raised Jewish, now agnostic. I am not fierce in what I believe or not - moreso in saying "yeah, I don't know shit....probably will never know".
My mother had a brain stent inserted last evening after a series of small strokes, and within the agonizing hours we were waiting to know whatinthefuck was happening, a very sweet family member offered me a passage from the Torah. A prayer for someone in my mom's position, and for those pulling so fucking hard for that person.
I read the words, and took comfort in them. Cried too. Not so much in the higher power or whatever aspect of it, but the intent. And it helped, despite how unexpectedly choked up I became in the process. That's how I take anyone's prayers offered to me. No arrogance on their part, but, to me at least, an extension of love, and care. Same as "good thoughts". Who am I to refuse that? I think I'd be an asshole to do so.
Offer and receive with grace, even if spectrums differ.
Find a way through and to peace vs preaching. Let others find their way; offer help but back off when needed or when asked. Most do, in my experience.
Again, intent. Just be kind and decent, and give others the room to be as you wish for yourself.
Awesome it gave you comfort and hope all is well with you and Mom. How did it go?
Many things could give comfort though. A poem, lyrics, prophetic words from a friend etc. In this case something from the Torah.
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I would like to help someone find that peace of mind, to help the anxieties recede. Of course it would not be my doing, it would be the Lord's.
Even in Eddie's song Man of the Hour you know, it concludes with "I feel that this is just goodbye for now". Implying that you will see so and so on the other side right?
Last Kiss , "she's gone to heaven so I've got to be good so I can see my baby when I leave this world." And I fully expect to be wide awake and alert on the other side of this life and see all my loved family members and friends who have passed on before me I have no doubt. And I wish that some of you could gain that confidence. I posted a lot of this because I actually care about you people out there who I don't even know.
If anything I've said causes even one of you to at least give it a try, or reconsider, I'd consider it a win.
I don't really have a theory. I just think lights out is by far the most likely scenario, given all the scientific facts. I have acknowledged that one can't rule out that there could be something else that is governed by some natural process that hasn't been discovered.
♪, ♫ "We're living in a ... HELL HOLE." ♪, ♫
It's why I value human and animal life. We all only have a short time here.
I do appreciate your appreciation of the wonders of the world/universe/nature and that they are a site to behold. And how incredibly lucky we are. And that you value human and animal life, and our appreciation for good music. In that we have a lot in common.
I guess my aim is for people who are not satisfied with what they believe. If you are comfortable with what you believe, then good for you, I respect that and stay put. However, if you are not satisfied with what you believe, or don't exactly know what to believe, than you might, I say might, want to give what I've suggested a try.
Which is probably more plausible.
Now that hat I believe in An energy source is the reason for most things, I still have the comfort of giving 120%, things don't go right, I say I have given it my all, it will either happen or it won't. Maybe belief in God helped me realize that part of life is accepting things you can't change and we don't control everything.
death is very hard, I don't think I will see my friends and family in heaven,. Even when I did believe, it wasn't comforting because I knew it would be so long before I'd get there. (Then there the whole will I get there, judgement day) I think we are here for the moment and when our moment is up and engery is dispersed we enter the next unknown of the prior state and I'm okay because I am here for now, in the present.
i still live with confidence that with my free will, the universe will take my spirit as far as it will go in this life and for whatever happens next.
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Raised Jewish, now agnostic. I am not fierce in what I believe or not - moreso in saying "yeah, I don't know shit....probably will never know".
My mother had a brain stent inserted last evening after a series of small strokes, and within the agonizing hours we were waiting to know whatinthefuck was happening, a very sweet family member offered me a passage from the Torah. A prayer for someone in my mom's position, and for those pulling so fucking hard for that person.
I read the words, and took comfort in them. Cried too. Not so much in the higher power or whatever aspect of it, but the intent. And it helped, despite how unexpectedly choked up I became in the process. That's how I take anyone's prayers offered to me. No arrogance on their part, but, to me at least, an extension of love, and care. Same as "good thoughts". Who am I to refuse that? I think I'd be an asshole to do so.
Offer and receive with grace, even if spectrums differ.
Find a way through and to peace vs preaching. Let others find their way; offer help but back off when needed or when asked. Most do, in my experience.
Again, intent. Just be kind and decent, and give others the room to be as you wish for yourself.
I have had a few visits to the hospital for my Dad. A few scary ones a few controlled ones.
I'm not going to act like I know what you're going thru. I know your intent was not to focus on your mom. Sending beautiful healing vibes to your mom.
Thank you for your post. Thank you for sharing. Xoxo
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
Many things could give comfort though. A poem, lyrics, prophetic words from a friend etc. In this case something from the Torah.