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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,793
    fife said:
    Print media is going away unfortunately.  Everyone wants short, quick stories.  I for one hate a dragged out story.  Give me the Who, where, how, why and When.  I don't need the back story or tangent of things irrelevant other than to fill up space.

    Something else I dislike is people whom really know nothing about the subject but feel the need to push their agenda on the situation.  I think that's a turn off in any form of news media.

    I also don't mind either form of medium as long as it's articulate, not biased and researched correctly.

    If anything needs fixing it's the op-ed pieces that pass for news.  Hanity is not always news.  Matt Taibbi is not always news.

    Do more reporting and less rabble rousing.
    Hey Tempo, I understand what you are saying here but I do have some questions.  it seems to me that you are kindof wanting different things at the same time.  if as people we want the 3 W of the WHO, THE WHAT, THE WHERE then stories have to be long sometimes. 



    I don't like the 10 page articles that include filler.That type of info should be in sidebars.  Y'all remember sidebars right?
  • fifefife Posts: 3,144
    fife said:
    Print media is going away unfortunately.  Everyone wants short, quick stories.  I for one hate a dragged out story.  Give me the Who, where, how, why and When.  I don't need the back story or tangent of things irrelevant other than to fill up space.

    Something else I dislike is people whom really know nothing about the subject but feel the need to push their agenda on the situation.  I think that's a turn off in any form of news media.

    I also don't mind either form of medium as long as it's articulate, not biased and researched correctly.

    If anything needs fixing it's the op-ed pieces that pass for news.  Hanity is not always news.  Matt Taibbi is not always news.

    Do more reporting and less rabble rousing.
    Hey Tempo, I understand what you are saying here but I do have some questions.  it seems to me that you are kindof wanting different things at the same time.  if as people we want the 3 W of the WHO, THE WHAT, THE WHERE then stories have to be long sometimes. 



    I don't like the 10 page articles that include filler.That type of info should be in sidebars.  Y'all remember sidebars right?
    ok now i get it. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,570
    Absolutely right on summation of U.S. news media in Kunstler's blog yesterday.  Spot on:

    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/spanking-the-monkey/

    The metamorphosis of the news business from a dignified and necessary component of the public interest to a gong and geek show is now complete. Some of you may remember that it used to be the task of news organizations to actually gather the news from far and wide. When Walter Cronkite came over the airways on CBS news, he “anchored” the revolving team of reporters in the field: we go to Marvin Kalb in Moscow… Fred Graham in Atlanta… Peter Kalischer in Paris… Lesley Stahl in New York…. Do you know what those people were doing? They were reporting the news on site, because it was important to actually be in the places where events were happening and talking to the people involved in them. And, by the way, do you think Marvin Kalb made contact with Russians? Or perhaps reported on other fellow Americans in contact with Russians? (And that was back in the Cold War, when Russia was run by the wicked Boris and Natasha).

    Turn on Anderson Cooper on CNN these days and what do you get: “And now lets turn to our panel for analysis.” Our panel? Analysis? A gang of moonlighting kibitzers with an opinion about what might have actually happened in the world that day, which none of them have been busy actually reporting on. The transformation on the cable networks especially has been insidious. Not so distantly as the days of the Iraq War, CNN checked in every night with Christiane Amanpour, the last of the great foreign correspondents, roving about the Middle East. Do these so-called news organizations even employ any reporters anymore?

    I don’t think so. Perhaps the most important story of the decade is the developing meltdown of governance and authority in Saudi Arabia and a Defcon Red level of potential for major war breaking out between them and Iran. How many reporters do the cable networks have in Riyadh today? What’s on CNN’s home page this morning? Boy dies after eating grilled cheese; Why men use masturbation to harass women; and the lead under their “Top Stories” banner: ‘Magnum, P.I.’ actor John Hillerman dies. Maybe you can find a clue in here why the USA has become a reality-optional society. Maybe it’s the American news media that actually has its dick in its hand.




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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain TexasPosts: 546
    @brianlux ^^^ I 100% agree with your post
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,570
    Last night, I watched Saturday Night Live.  It had been a while since I've watched SNL.  When the two news guys came on and did their always funny thing I thought, man, it's pretty bad when you start to wonder if maybe SNL news is more informative than the other usual suspects. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 4,674
    brianlux said:
    Last night, I watched Saturday Night Live.  It had been a while since I've watched SNL.  When the two news guys came on and did their always funny thing I thought, man, it's pretty bad when you start to wonder if maybe SNL news is more informative than the other usual suspects. 
    To be fair, those two are awesome. Hard to compete with the comedy of reality.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Here is a name you may not have heard, Robert Parry. If there was a spectrum of journalism Parry would be on one end and Wolf Blitzer would be at the other. If you have a craving for independent journalism, check out consortiumnews.com.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/28/robert-parrys-legacy-and-the-future-of-consortiumnews/
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,185
    I found this piece interesting. The NY Times is of course as guilty as anyone of falling victim to the trap Douthat describes. Still, I had never really considered the idea that The Apprentice might have actually convinced someone that Trump was somehow a business genius. Like anything else I don't agree with all of it but still this might be worth a read.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/opinion/trump-facebook-cambridge-analytica-media.html

    "Start with the fake news that laid the foundation for Trump’s presidential campaign — not the sort that circulates under clickbait headlines in your Facebook feed, but the sort broadcast in prime time by NBC, under the label of reality TV. Yes, as media sophisticates we’re all supposed to know that “reality” means “fake,” but in the beginning nobody marketed “The Apprentice” that way; across most of its run you saw a much-bankrupted real estate tycoon portrayed, week after week and season after season, as a titan of industry, the for-serious greatest businessman in the world.

    Where did so many people originally get the idea that Trump was the right guy to fix our manifestly broken government? Not from Russian bots or targeted social media ad buys, but from a prime-time show that sold itself as real, and sold him as a business genius. Forget unhappy blue collar heartlanders; forget white nationalists and birthers: The core Trump demographic might just have been Republicans who watched “The Apprentice,” who bought the fake news that his television program and its network sponsors gladly sold them."


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,297
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    I almost started a new thread about the American administration's current war against journalism, but I'll try here first and see if it sticks.
    As many of you know, I consider the Trump administration's anti-news media/pro-admin media propaganda by far the most disturbing and dangerous thing about the current administration. Such purposeful attacks on the news media as we're seeing can only be a deliberate effort to fuck with the citizenry on a level that they are largely incapable of combatting over time. This kind of thing is like worms in the brain. This kind of thing was Goebbel's wet dream, and it worked like a charm in Germany, along with a bunch of other dictatorships and other totalitarian governments around the world up until today, including Putin's Russia, and in Communist China. Eventually, this kind of thing leads to a failure of whatever level democracy any country can manage to claim... and the impact of it can have lasting negative consequences within a population, separate from the evils of a hated leader. So I thought this message from the journalists of Sinclair media would be a good place to reignite this topic, which I think is largely ignored in relative terms.

    https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/first-person/2018/4/5/17202336/sinclair-broadcasting-promo-deadspin

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  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,279
    edited April 5
    When conservative media is devoid of fact and slurped up by mouth breathing Americans this is what you get.

    idiot America
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,570
    PJ_Soul said:
    I almost started a new thread about the American administrations current war against journalism, but I'll try here first and see if it stick.
    As many of you know, I consider the Trump administration's anti-news media/pro-admin media propaganda by far the most disturbing and dangerous thing about the current administration. Such purposeful attacks on the news media as we're seeing can only be a deliberate effort to fuck with the citizenry on a level that they are largely incapable of combatting over time. This kind of thing is like worms in the brain. This kind of thing was Goebbel's wet dream, and it worked like a charm in Germany, along with a bunch of other dictatorships and other totalitarian governments around the world up until today, including Putin's Russia, and in Communist China. Eventually, this kind of thing leads to a failure of whatever level democracy any country can manage to claim... and the impact of it can have lasting negative consequences within a population, separate from the evils of a hated leader. So I thought this message from the journalists of Sinclair media would be a good place to reignite this topic, which I think is largely ignored in relative terms.

    https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/first-person/2018/4/5/17202336/sinclair-broadcasting-promo-deadspin

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,297
    Database of journalists and "media influencers" being compiled by Department of Homeland Security.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2018/04/06/department-of-homeland-security-compiling-database-of-journalists-and-media-influencers/

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,408
    PJ_Soul said:
    Database of journalists and "media influencers" being compiled by Department of Homeland Security.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2018/04/06/department-of-homeland-security-compiling-database-of-journalists-and-media-influencers/

    Yup, both sides are the same. Hillary would have had them shot at dawn already. If she could have managed the stairs, that is.
     
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,408
    PJ_Soul said:
    Database of journalists and "media influencers" being compiled by Department of Homeland Security.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2018/04/06/department-of-homeland-security-compiling-database-of-journalists-and-media-influencers/

    Is 3D on the list?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,297
    PJ_Soul said:
    Database of journalists and "media influencers" being compiled by Department of Homeland Security.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2018/04/06/department-of-homeland-security-compiling-database-of-journalists-and-media-influencers/

    Is 3D on the list?
    Sorry? Not sure what that means. :)
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,408
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Database of journalists and "media influencers" being compiled by Department of Homeland Security.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2018/04/06/department-of-homeland-security-compiling-database-of-journalists-and-media-influencers/

    Is 3D on the list?
    Sorry? Not sure what that means. :)
    3D = JC and surely is a media influencer, particularly as it relates to Comet Pizza and John Podesta’s and Hillary’s emails.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,206
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Database of journalists and "media influencers" being compiled by Department of Homeland Security.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2018/04/06/department-of-homeland-security-compiling-database-of-journalists-and-media-influencers/

    Is 3D on the list?
    Sorry? Not sure what that means. :)
    3D = JC and surely is a media influencer, particularly as it relates to Comet Pizza and John Podesta’s and Hillary’s emails.
    He’s in great company with Roseanne Barr. 
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,144
    This is your government at work people.  as for the people yelling CNN sucks.  I heard afterward that those same people were talking to the same reporter. 



  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Database of journalists and "media influencers" being compiled by Department of Homeland Security.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellefabio/2018/04/06/department-of-homeland-security-compiling-database-of-journalists-and-media-influencers/

    Is 3D on the list?
    Sorry? Not sure what that means. :)
    3D = JC and surely is a media influencer, particularly as it relates to Comet Pizza and John Podesta’s and Hillary’s emails.
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