Q for Santos/10C - NO GUITAR SOLOS transcribed in the PJ Anthology?!

davidos

From the Amazon preview it appears so... Is this true? (Buying it either way...)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1495060411/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_Bfgazb2CEZHNT

DewieCox

Looks like they'll be tabbed to me. The description says every note of every instrument. The "previews" are just that.

The bones of along PJ songs are pretty easy to figure out, so missing the finer details would be dropping the ball big time.

Gern Blansten

It says "every note of every song"

davidos

Gern Blansten said:

It says "every note of every song"

If you look at the Contents page the Alive tab starts at page 8... All or None starts at page 14.... Go to the preview... Every single page of the Alive tab is shown in the preview (8,9,10, 11,12,13)... page 14 is missing (the first page of All or None). THERE ARE NO GUITAR SOLOS TRANSCRIBED.

Gern Blansten

Yeah it does say "Guitar solo ad lib"....
As someone who has tons of Hal Leonard books it is entirely possible that some songs will have solos transcribed and some won't. Alive does have a unique solo in that part is a tribute to Ace Frehley's solo in She (maybe a copyright issue?) and part is effect and noise that would take someone weeks to figure out and transcribe.

My guess is that the majority of solos are transcribed

jeffbr

Guitar solo ad lib would make sense if it really was. But the actual translation of guitar solo ad lib is "we're lazy, and feel like only doing a half-assed transcription". This had the potential of being a killer anthology. The good news is that I just saved money! Definitely not buying this now.

Jammalambo

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah it does say "Guitar solo ad lib"....
As someone who has tons of Hal Leonard books it is entirely possible that some songs will have solos transcribed and some won't. Alive does have a unique solo in that part is a tribute to Ace Frehley's solo in She (maybe a copyright issue?) and part is effect and noise that would take someone weeks to figure out and transcribe.

My guess is that the majority of solos are transcribed

Sorry, but what you say is not true.. Alive solo is not at all a "noisy" solo, in any part of it.. the wah-wah pedal is featured, and you can hear it pretty well in the recording, but that does not make it a noisy solo (Scentless Apprentice by Nirvana is a noisy solo). and also is not at all what I would define a difficult solo to transcribe (or to even play).. the old hal leonard book for Ten included that solo (a decent transcription, not all the notes were spot on imo, but it's good enough if you wanted to have a clue about how it's played..)
and the copyright issue.. sorry, you made me laugh with that (no offence)
that being said, it would not make ANY sense to not include one of the most important and representative solos from PJ, and instead include some others.. My guess is this book DOES NOT contain solos. And even if it actually contains only a few, the description on Amazon says the exact opposite, 'every note of every instrument recorded' really does not leave any space to interpretations..
I think the preview pages are the actual pages of the book, too.. why showing something that would make potential buyers thinking twice about the purchase (lacking of solos is a big let down)?

and... I have tons of musical books too.. I learnt with time that what's written on those books is not "gold" or pure truth.. you have to use your ear to correct or add what's missing or does not sounds right..

DewieCox

Yeah, there are a few PJ solos that I would describe as "noisy" and I could see them passing those ever if things get real muddled or the effect really makes the solo, but Alive is as blues rock pentatonic wank as it gets. Any transcriber should be able to wing it and come pretty close. Be forgiveable if they at least covered the signature parts of the solos.

Gern Blansten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

DewieCox

It's not really an opinion.

2-feign-reluctance

DewieCox said:

It's not really an opinion.

Its true. But in the context of everything else in Pearl Jam is awesome!

bootlegger10

The main thing I am looking for is all the rhythm stuff. Hopefully a lot of the solos are in there and especially the ones that are signature solos

lotsalemon

Jammalambo said:

Sorry, but what you say is not true.. Alive solo is not at all a "noisy" solo, in any part of it.. the wah-wah pedal is featured, and you can hear it pretty well in the recording, but that does not make it a noisy solo

Can't forget the unmistakable vibe effect in the Alive solo as well!!!

Jammalambo

DewieCox said:

It's not really an opinion.

I agree. Most PJ solos are like that, lots of pentatonic and stuff.. I can't see how anyone could define them "noisy"

But, back on topic.. real problem is: have you read the description on Amazon? The previews pages on that same site proves the description wrong. That's not good. And a little of a scam, too

davidos

bootlegger10 said:

The main thing I am looking for is all the rhythm stuff. Hopefully a lot of the solos are in there and especially the ones that are signature solos

I agree the rhythm stuff will be great... (Amongst the Waves, etc...)

But Alive is about as signature as it gets... PJs biggest song... Every single time the song has been played live (1000x?) Mike starts the solo on the same few notes...

RoleModelsinBlood31

Well this is troubling :(

davidos

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Well this is troubling :(

Sorry Mike... your guitar solos weren't good enough to make the book... they were just 'ad libs' anyway... :-(

mace1229

I would imagine there would be a lot of returns with Amazon if people ordered them for solos, with the description "every note from every song" and that isn't the case.
I really dont see this book as that cool to begin with, stuff that is most likely not confirmed by the band and easily found for free online, and with a hefty price tag. This just makes it a little more lame.

lotsalemon

My experience is that a good amount of transcriptions (tabs) found online are not correct. I'm personally better off figuring it out myself, or going back to my old guitar mags for the transcriptions.

In any case, this book is gonna be cool, solos or not. I'm pumped.

And besides...it's the rhythm parts you really need to know to play the song. Solos are cool to learn note-for-note, but I always thought it was cool to put your own mark on them when playing covers.

Jammalambo

Personally speaking, after having spent years and years carefully listening to PJ songs, I know by heart most rhythm parts (if not all) and solos of the songs off the first 8 albums.. the last two I admit I spent less time trying to figure stuff out..
So main reason I was pumped about this book was to finally be able to verify if the way I was playing these songs, expecially the little fills and riffs here and there not always very clearly audible in the recording, was correct or not.. looking at the Alive score, not only the solo, but other little fills and riffs appear to be missing (those who play guitar should know what I'm talking about).. This sucks, and it's not right advertising a book for something that it isn't (I'm talking about Amazon, because the TC description use the word 'streamlined', so that if guitar solos and some other things are missing, well.. it's streamlined, baby)
It's just unfortunate that something I was so excited about has turned so quickly into an epic bummer.. and TC lack of communication is really frustrating. But it's always like that. Don't dare to ask too much questions around here. Kiss asses or shut up. Yeah, right.