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    RiotZactRiotZact Posts: 6,204
    edited June 2017
    I wonder why there hasn't been any "Religion of peace, right?" posts today. Or how about "What do these attacks all have in common?".
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,610
    And why don't we know what religion the guy is yet?
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,822
    Interesting series of updates/articles from the Guardian about the attack and subsequent response. 

    I note in particular that the Imam of the mosque protected the suspect from harm when others wanted to attack him. I also note that the far right National Front disavowed any knowledge of him, while also saying that it clearly wasn't terrorism, but rather "revenge". That makes it all right, I guess. 

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/19/north-london-van-incident-finsbury-park-casualties-collides-pedestrians-live-updates
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,087
    Go Beavers said:
    And why don't we know what religion the guy is yet?
    Because in this case his religion doesn't matter. He was targeting a specific religion.  In the other terrorist attacks it is their religion driving them to attack anyone really...any religion.  It's really not a conspiracy or very hard to understand 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,822
    cincybearcat said:
    Go Beavers said:
    And why don't we know what religion the guy is yet?
    Because in this case his religion doesn't matter. He was targeting a specific religion.  In the other terrorist attacks it is their religion driving them to attack anyone really...any religion.  It's really not a conspiracy or very hard to understand 
    How do you know that in this case his religion doesn't matter if we don't know anything about it?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    So much for freedom of the press and the constitution:

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/19/media/white-house-press-briefing-donald-trump-media/index.html

    What is this administration afraid of and what are they hiding?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    Or Kim Jong un was at the helm of the container ship?

    http://www.npr.org/2017/06/19/533432845/how-could-the-navy-destroyer-collision-happen
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,232
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Go Beavers said:
    And why don't we know what religion the guy is yet?
    Because in this case his religion doesn't matter. He was targeting a specific religion.  In the other terrorist attacks it is their religion driving them to attack anyone really...any religion.  It's really not a conspiracy or very hard to understand 
    How do you know that in this case his religion doesn't matter if we don't know anything about it?
    I think you make a good point. This guy very well could have bowed his head in silent prayer right before the attack and felt he was doing god's work. Was there something in the bible or any other religious material that supported this ideology for him? We don't know. As for the other terrorist attacks Cincy mentions, it is not the religion itself that is driving the attacks, it's the person's fringe interpretation of that religion and how they then apply it to justify their actions.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,087
    Yeah and what I mean is the story is that he attacked Muslims....doesn't matter if he was white/black/other/christian/jewish....he specifically targeted Muslims (ok I'm assuming a little here).  The other is an extremist version of a single religion attacking anyone else.  So their extremist religion is what the story is?  I'm not sure I'm making myself very clear on the internet. :)


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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,232
    cincybearcat said:
    Yeah and what I mean is the story is that he attacked Muslims....doesn't matter if he was white/black/other/christian/jewish....he specifically targeted Muslims (ok I'm assuming a little here).  The other is an extremist version of a single religion attacking anyone else.  So their extremist religion is what the story is?  I'm not sure I'm making myself very clear on the internet. :)


    Ahh, ok. Crystal clear :)
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,087
    tbergs said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Yeah and what I mean is the story is that he attacked Muslims....doesn't matter if he was white/black/other/christian/jewish....he specifically targeted Muslims (ok I'm assuming a little here).  The other is an extremist version of a single religion attacking anyone else.  So their extremist religion is what the story is?  I'm not sure I'm making myself very clear on the internet. :)


    Ahh, ok. Crystal clear :)
    This would go over better and be done sooner if we were in a bar with beer in hand. 
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,232
    cincybearcat said:
    tbergs said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Yeah and what I mean is the story is that he attacked Muslims....doesn't matter if he was white/black/other/christian/jewish....he specifically targeted Muslims (ok I'm assuming a little here).  The other is an extremist version of a single religion attacking anyone else.  So their extremist religion is what the story is?  I'm not sure I'm making myself very clear on the internet. :)


    Ahh, ok. Crystal clear :)
    This would go over better and be done sooner if we were in a bar with beer in hand. 
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited June 2017
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/06/19/statement-president-donald-j-trump-passing-otto-warmbier
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    Did Flynn become a cooperating witness? Seems like he may very well have. 
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Apparently tomorrow is a big day in the US. Latest Tweet from President Trump...
    Big day tomorrow in Georgia and South Carolina. ObamaCare is dead. Dems want to raise taxes big! They can only obstruct, no ideas. Vote "R"
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Apparently tomorrow is a big day in the US. Latest Tweet from President Trump...
    Big day tomorrow in Georgia and South Carolina. ObamaCare is dead. Dems want to raise taxes big! They can only obstruct, no ideas. Vote "R"
    You should post his tweet about the latest terrorist attack in London. Very profound.
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,519
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Apparently tomorrow is a big day in the US. Latest Tweet from President Trump...
    Big day tomorrow in Georgia and South Carolina. ObamaCare is dead. Dems want to raise taxes big! They can only obstruct, no ideas. Vote "R"
    What a stain on the world.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    People should read this so they understand why it might be a good idea for there to be silence on the subject at the moment...

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/something_is_fishy_about_uss_fitzgerald_story_we_are_getting_from_the_media.html

    It could simply be an accident but it could also be something much worse. It is too soon for anybody to be "screaming".

    Well, that settles it. A fucking blog post as a reason to bomb North Korea. Please let me know when Canada's carrier strike force will participate in the defense of North America. Is fear all you peddle?
    Is that the message you took away from this? Was it suggested to bomb North Korea? People on this forum are arguing that Trump and the Hawks should be screaming right now. I am advocating for measured silence. You and your friends are all over the place. 
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    oftenreading said:
    my2hands said:
    I agree there is something fishy with this "accident"

    2 boats of that size just don't hit each other... dead square on like that?

    Sure, could be. We'll know in time. That doesn't prevent The Donald from speaking up about the losses and the sacrifices. Unless his handlers are preventing him from speaking, knowing that he'd say something unwise.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    People should read this so they understand why it might be a good idea for there to be silence on the subject at the moment...

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/something_is_fishy_about_uss_fitzgerald_story_we_are_getting_from_the_media.html

    It could simply be an accident but it could also be something much worse. It is too soon for anybody to be "screaming".

    You've officially jumped the shark. Congratulations. A bowl of toxic stew with a side of fries and a malted milk from Al's will be forthcoming.
    Yes. The science is settled on why this apparent accident happened.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Apparently tomorrow is a big day in the US. Latest Tweet from President Trump...
    Big day tomorrow in Georgia and South Carolina. ObamaCare is dead. Dems want to raise taxes big! They can only obstruct, no ideas. Vote "R"
    It is a big day and I think this analysis is right

    http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2017/06/20/stakes-ga6-bigger-than-any-special-election/
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    People should read this so they understand why it might be a good idea for there to be silence on the subject at the moment...

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/something_is_fishy_about_uss_fitzgerald_story_we_are_getting_from_the_media.html

    It could simply be an accident but it could also be something much worse. It is too soon for anybody to be "screaming".

    You've officially jumped the shark. Congratulations. A bowl of toxic stew with a side of fries and a malted milk from Al's will be forthcoming.
    Yes. The science is settled on why this apparent accident happened.
    Did you even read the blog post you linked? Is fear all you peddle? Do you see boogeymen everywhere you look?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    BS44325 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    People should read this so they understand why it might be a good idea for there to be silence on the subject at the moment...

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/something_is_fishy_about_uss_fitzgerald_story_we_are_getting_from_the_media.html

    It could simply be an accident but it could also be something much worse. It is too soon for anybody to be "screaming".

    Well, that settles it. A fucking blog post as a reason to bomb North Korea. Please let me know when Canada's carrier strike force will participate in the defense of North America. Is fear all you peddle?
    Is that the message you took away from this? Was it suggested to bomb North Korea? People on this forum are arguing that Trump and the Hawks should be screaming right now. I am advocating for measured silence. You and your friends are all over the place. 
    Some kind of expression of compassion and a public statement from the Donald or the WH, not three days after the incident. Had it been a dem in office, there'd be calls that they were unfit to be CIC. 
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,519
    BS44325 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Apparently tomorrow is a big day in the US. Latest Tweet from President Trump...
    Big day tomorrow in Georgia and South Carolina. ObamaCare is dead. Dems want to raise taxes big! They can only obstruct, no ideas. Vote "R"
    It is a big day and I think this analysis is right

    http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2017/06/20/stakes-ga6-bigger-than-any-special-election/
    American Thinker and now Red State.  No wonder you're their mouth piece.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BS44325 said:
    People should read this so they understand why it might be a good idea for there to be silence on the subject at the moment...

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/something_is_fishy_about_uss_fitzgerald_story_we_are_getting_from_the_media.html

    It could simply be an accident but it could also be something much worse. It is too soon for anybody to be "screaming".

    You've officially jumped the shark. Congratulations. A bowl of toxic stew with a side of fries and a malted milk from Al's will be forthcoming.
    Yes. The science is settled on why this apparent accident happened.
    I'm sure Senator Tom "I'm a Warrior Hear Me Roar" Cotton will be calling for a senate investigation to get to the bottom of it.
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,822
    BS44325 said:

    oftenreading said:
    my2hands said:
    I agree there is something fishy with this "accident"

    2 boats of that size just don't hit each other... dead square on like that?

    Sure, could be. We'll know in time. That doesn't prevent The Donald from speaking up about the losses and the sacrifices. Unless his handlers are preventing him from speaking, knowing that he'd say something unwise.
    Must attack Donald at all times. Must attack. Even in face of tragedy. Must attack.

    How the president behaves in the face of tragedy is an important marker of his fitness.

    Like his nonresponse to the most recent terror attack in London, for instance. Muslim victims, so of course they're beneath his notice.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
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