Yeah, but a digital recording can sound fantastic on vinyl if mastered right.
I think people get too hung up on the source used for the vinyl. It comes down to the mastering. Granted the source can matter, but the vaults are a perfect example. They are probably sourced from DATs or a digital recording, but they are cut and pressed well and sound fantastic.
I think people get too hung up on thinking vinyl is superior to digital. Digital, like vinyl, comes down to the mastering.
I think the other hang up is that people believe the band has always advocated audiophilia in regards to vinyl, when I don't think that's ever been the case. I have always thought their love was mainly driven by nostalgia, especially since they blew up at the same time CDs exploded and forced vinyl away. I dont recall them ever making the case based on sonic quality or purity.
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Yeah, but a digital recording can sound fantastic on vinyl if mastered right.
I think people get too hung up on the source used for the vinyl. It comes down to the mastering. Granted the source can matter, but the vaults are a perfect example. They are probably sourced from DATs or a digital recording, but they are cut and pressed well and sound fantastic.
I think people get too hung up on thinking vinyl is superior to digital. Digital, like vinyl, comes down to the mastering.
I think the other hang up is that people believe the band has always advocated audiophilia in regards to vinyl, when I don't think that's ever been the case. I have always thought their love was mainly driven by nostalgia, especially since they blew up at the same time CDs exploded and forced vinyl away. I dont recall them ever making the case based on sonic quality or purity.
.... But for those songs about vinyl
I know I was born and I know that I'll die. The in between is mine.
Can you tell the difference with head phones on Binural?
PJ Cuyahoga Flalls OH 8/26/1998 PJ Noblesviile IN 8/18/2000 PJ Cincinnatti OH 8/20/2000 PJ Columbus OH 8/21/2000 PJ Columbus OH 6/24/2003 PJ Hamilton Ontario 9/13/2005 PJ Phiadelphia PA 10/3/2005 PJ Cleveland OH 5/20/2006 PJ Columbia SC 6/16/2008..... e.V Chicago IL 8/21/2008 e.V Philly PA 6/11/2009 e.V Bailtimore MD 6/14/2009... PJ Chicago IL 8/23/2009 .PJ...Philly PA 10/27/2009 PJ.Philadephia PA 10/28/2009. PJ Columbus OH 5/6/2010 PJ Cleveland OH 5/9/2010. BRAD Columbus OH 10/5/2010 e.V St.Louis MO 7/1/2011 .PJ.. East Troy WI 9/3/2011..PJ..East Troy WI 9/4/2011 Neil Young & Crazy Horse Cleveland OH 10/8/2012 RNDM Chicago IL11/13/2012 Alice In Chains/SoundGarden Columbus OH 5/19/2013 AIC Fort Wayne IN 5/21/2013 PJ Pittsburgh PA 10/11/2013 AIC Cincinnati OH 5/17/2014 AIC Cleveland OH 5/19/2014 AIC Indianapolis IN 8/19/2014 PJ Cincinnati OH 10/1/2014 AIC Cincinnati OH 8/06/2015 RNDM Chicago IL 3/15/2016 PJ Columbia SC 4\21\2016 PJ Lexington KY 4/26/2016 PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2016 Soundgarden Columbus OH 5/20/2017 Canceled RIP Chris AIC Columbus OH 5/18/2018 PJ Chicago IL 8/18/2018 PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2018 PJ St Louis Missouri 9/18/2022 AIC Cuyohoga falls Oh. 8/16/2019 SHAWNSMITH Rip 2019Mark Lanegan Band 5/18/19
Yeah, but a digital recording can sound fantastic on vinyl if mastered right.
I think people get too hung up on the source used for the vinyl. It comes down to the mastering. Granted the source can matter, but the vaults are a perfect example. They are probably sourced from DATs or a digital recording, but they are cut and pressed well and sound fantastic.
I think people get too hung up on thinking vinyl is superior to digital. Digital, like vinyl, comes down to the mastering.
I think the other hang up is that people believe the band has always advocated audiophilia in regards to vinyl, when I don't think that's ever been the case. I have always thought their love was mainly driven by nostalgia, especially since they blew up at the same time CDs exploded and forced vinyl away. I dont recall them ever making the case based on sonic quality or purity.
.... But for those songs about vinyl
Aren't those also more about the "feeling" of vinyl and looking at the big artwork in your childhood room?
Yeah, but a digital recording can sound fantastic on vinyl if mastered right.
I think people get too hung up on the source used for the vinyl. It comes down to the mastering. Granted the source can matter, but the vaults are a perfect example. They are probably sourced from DATs or a digital recording, but they are cut and pressed well and sound fantastic.
I think people get too hung up on thinking vinyl is superior to digital. Digital, like vinyl, comes down to the mastering.
I think the other hang up is that people believe the band has always advocated audiophilia in regards to vinyl, when I don't think that's ever been the case. I have always thought their love was mainly driven by nostalgia, especially since they blew up at the same time CDs exploded and forced vinyl away. I dont recall them ever making the case based on sonic quality or purity.
"Wanted a LP Only had CD:s So digitally clean it was a piece of crap"
- Eddie
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Binaural sound pretty damn good on my rig. Glad BoB didn't get his grubby mitts on that one
pretty sure he mixed it
Yep! Doh!
He mixed it, but they used a different producer.
True but Brendan did the mixing and probably the mastering as well, though there is no mention of mastering in the booklet. The producer is pretty much just hitting record and steering them in certain directions in terms of the songs.
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I wonder if we (the fans) should suggest someone else to mix PJ's albums?
Eh, it's PJs decision. People in their org read the boards, they know how we feel, ultimately it's their business in how they want to present their art.
But if we are just fan casting, I've been a big advocate of Chris Woodhouse.
Prophets of Rage posted a video on social media recently where they showed the band working with BOB on new music. I laughed when they showed the band circled around a microphone doing hand claps.
Prophets of Rage posted a video on social media recently where they showed the band working with BOB on new music. I laughed when they showed the band circled around a microphone doing hand claps.
Oh great! More over produced pop music. He really should be making lady gaga albums and not rock n roll albums! Im interested to hear the new Mastodon record. Brendon produced that as well. Cant imagine any hand claps on that album but im sure brendon could pull it off.
Summerfest 7/8/95 Missoula 6/20/98 Alpine Valley 6/26/98 & 6/27/98 Alpine Valley 10/8/00
Champaign 4/23/03 Alpine Valley 6/21/03 Missoula 8/29/05
Chicago 5/16 & 17/06 Grand Rapids 5/19/06 Summerfest 6/29/06 & 6/30/06
Tampa 6/12/08
Chicago 8/23/09
Indy 5/7/10 Alpine Valley x2 2011 Wrigley 2013 Milwaukee 14 Telluride 16
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Im still bitter about how he destroyed Speed Of Sound on Backspacer. Ed's demo was perfection and Brendon turned it into a cheesy pop song. I often wonder how the Fixer would have turned out with Adam Kasper. I think it would have been a great punk song instead of the cheese that it is. Also brendons idea to turn Sleeping by myself into a country song and put it on Lightning Bolt is a fireable offense!!
Summerfest 7/8/95 Missoula 6/20/98 Alpine Valley 6/26/98 & 6/27/98 Alpine Valley 10/8/00
Champaign 4/23/03 Alpine Valley 6/21/03 Missoula 8/29/05
Chicago 5/16 & 17/06 Grand Rapids 5/19/06 Summerfest 6/29/06 & 6/30/06
Tampa 6/12/08
Chicago 8/23/09
Indy 5/7/10 Alpine Valley x2 2011 Wrigley 2013 Milwaukee 14 Telluride 16
I mean, really the only thing you can kinda pin on him is the brickwalling on the last LPs. But the band did it themselves on s/t, so its not 100% his fault. I think people like to pin way more of the blame for things they don't like about the past 2 albums on him. Probably a bit unfair TBH.
I mean, really the only thing you can kinda pin on him is the brickwalling on the last LPs. But the band did it themselves on s/t, so its not 100% his fault. I think people like to pin way more of the blame for things they don't like about the past 2 albums on him. Probably a bit unfair TBH.
Why do we assume BOB is responsible for those decisions? Ultimately the buck stops with the band.
Though, to be clear, I don't think any of those songs have egregious issues
Exactly...the band tells him how they want to approach the album. The Fixer demo blows and the changes to the final version were all Ed anyway if I remember right. and the SoS demo is just exactly that, a demo. Finished product isn't great, but that has more to do with the feel of the song than anything else. SBM was a folky song before PJ got ahold of it and Future Days and Sirens are cheesy from the get go.
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PJ Cuyahoga Flalls OH 8/26/1998
PJ Noblesviile IN 8/18/2000
PJ Cincinnatti OH 8/20/2000
PJ Columbus OH 8/21/2000
PJ Columbus OH 6/24/2003
PJ Hamilton Ontario 9/13/2005
PJ Phiadelphia PA 10/3/2005
PJ Cleveland OH 5/20/2006
PJ Columbia SC 6/16/2008.....
e.V Chicago IL 8/21/2008
e.V Philly PA 6/11/2009
e.V Bailtimore MD 6/14/2009...
PJ Chicago IL 8/23/2009
.PJ...Philly PA 10/27/2009 PJ.Philadephia PA 10/28/2009.
PJ Columbus OH 5/6/2010
PJ Cleveland OH 5/9/2010.
BRAD Columbus OH 10/5/2010
e.V St.Louis MO 7/1/2011
.PJ.. East Troy WI 9/3/2011..PJ..East Troy WI 9/4/2011
Neil Young & Crazy Horse Cleveland OH 10/8/2012
RNDM Chicago IL11/13/2012
Alice In Chains/SoundGarden Columbus OH 5/19/2013
AIC Fort Wayne IN 5/21/2013
PJ Pittsburgh PA 10/11/2013
AIC Cincinnati OH 5/17/2014
AIC Cleveland OH 5/19/2014
AIC Indianapolis IN 8/19/2014
PJ Cincinnati OH 10/1/2014
AIC Cincinnati OH 8/06/2015
RNDM Chicago IL 3/15/2016
PJ Columbia SC 4\21\2016
PJ Lexington KY 4/26/2016
PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2016
Soundgarden Columbus OH 5/20/2017 Canceled RIP Chris
AIC Columbus OH 5/18/2018
PJ Chicago IL 8/18/2018 PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2018
PJ St Louis Missouri 9/18/2022
AIC Cuyohoga falls Oh. 8/16/2019
SHAWNSMITH Rip 2019Mark Lanegan Band 5/18/19
Only had CD:s
So digitally clean
it was a piece of crap"
- Eddie
Is that still a thing?
But if we are just fan casting, I've been a big advocate of Chris Woodhouse.
Lisbon '06 (x2)
Katowice '07
London '07 '09 (x2), '10
MSG NY '08 (x2)
Manchester '09 '12
Belfast '10
PJ20 Alpine '11 (x2)
Leeds '14
Lisbon '06 (x2)
Katowice '07
London '07 '09 (x2), '10
MSG NY '08 (x2)
Manchester '09 '12
Belfast '10
PJ20 Alpine '11 (x2)
Leeds '14
Missoula 6/20/98
Alpine Valley 6/26/98 & 6/27/98
Alpine Valley 10/8/00
Champaign 4/23/03
Alpine Valley 6/21/03
Missoula 8/29/05
Chicago 5/16 & 17/06
Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Summerfest 6/29/06 & 6/30/06
Tampa 6/12/08
Chicago 8/23/09
Indy 5/7/10
Alpine Valley x2 2011
Wrigley 2013
Milwaukee 14
Telluride 16
Missoula 6/20/98
Alpine Valley 6/26/98 & 6/27/98
Alpine Valley 10/8/00
Champaign 4/23/03
Alpine Valley 6/21/03
Missoula 8/29/05
Chicago 5/16 & 17/06
Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Summerfest 6/29/06 & 6/30/06
Tampa 6/12/08
Chicago 8/23/09
Indy 5/7/10
Alpine Valley x2 2011
Wrigley 2013
Milwaukee 14
Telluride 16
Though, to be clear, I don't think any of those songs have egregious issues
Exactly...the band tells him how they want to approach the album. The Fixer demo blows and the changes to the final version were all Ed anyway if I remember right. and the SoS demo is just exactly that, a demo. Finished product isn't great, but that has more to do with the feel of the song than anything else. SBM was a folky song before PJ got ahold of it and Future Days and Sirens are cheesy from the get go.