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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    If he did nothing wrong he wouldn't have to pardon anyone. So the larger question is why is the president even considering this?
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    The Juggler said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    If he did nothing wrong he wouldn't have to pardon anyone. So the larger question is why is the president even considering this?

    I think the larger question is can a President pardon themselves.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    If he did nothing wrong he wouldn't have to pardon anyone. So the larger question is why is the president even considering this?

    I think the larger question is can a President pardon themselves.
    A president....pardoning multiple presidents. Check on that and get back to us. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    He can't.
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    ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,755
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    It's never happened before, which means the constitutionality of it has never been challenged and ruled on by a judge. 

    I imagine our founding fathers never anticipated the American people would elect a slimeball who is so flawed in his past dealings that he would ever need to pardon himself. But, here we are. 
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    hhh
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    The Juggler said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    If he did nothing wrong he wouldn't have to pardon anyone. So the larger question is why is the president even considering this?

    I think the larger question is can a President pardon themselves.
    A president....pardoning multiple presidents. Check on that and get back to us. 

    I'm done with this awful spellcheck quotes.  Seems to happen a lot when I respond to you.  Don't know why.  It's odd I swear.

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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    He can't.

    Thank you for my corrected quote.
    I still think if it came down to impeachment proceedings they would be delayed by President Trump trying to exhaust avenues to pardon himself.

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    How does he "keep on keeping on" when he has failed get any major legislation through and his approval numbers keep steadily falling? I don't see what you are basing this on, at all...and even his numbers with republicans have slipped since he took office as well. I think it was 73% which is very low for someone in his first year. There are cracks in his base VERY early into his term and you're somehow predicting he will coast to a reelection 3 years from now. Doesn't add up....especially with the multiple investigations honing in on him.



    By "Trump needs to keep on keeping on" I meant he needs to just keep acting like a buffoon, being tone-deaf, and generally being un-presidential.  Un-presidential is the new presidential.  His base will keep eating it up.  The question is whether his base is enough.  On its own, no.  But add that to all the people that will vote for anything with an "R" next to it, the Dems at least have to run someone that can pull people to the polls.  I am not predicting he'll coast to re-election.  But I am saying that re-election is possible and more possible than the left acknowledges.  If you could show me a future in which he does coast to re-election, I would not be surprised.

    There are some wild cards that could prove my fears unfounded:
    • The Dems won't be running a woman (anecdotally, that mattered) who's been hated for nearly three decades.  (Well, I hope not; to run her again would be bordering on treasonous)
    • It's been slower than I hoped, but there are some Republicans who are just starting to distance themselves.  At some point, he may make a huge blunder that expedites it (though you'd think some of the things he's said, such as "heroes don't get captured" would have done the trick).
    • The investigations.  They are off the radar and it's personally hard for me to imagine anything coming from them (just my gut, admittedly)
    The other thing is that all he cares about is his own popularity.  That's it.  So what will he do to enhance that?  What's the one thing that always makes a president more popular (for a while, anyway)?  I'm sure the White House is already talking about the ideal timing for a war with North Korea to maintain his popularity into the election.  Boy, you have to be pretty cynical to think someone would be that cavalier with so many lives just for his popularity...well, I am.
    And here's a snippet of what Trump voters are thinking 7 months in
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvSvxhheuM
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    He can't.

    Thank you for my corrected quote.
    I still think if it came down to impeachment proceedings they would be delayed by President Trump trying to exhaust avenues to pardon himself.

    Ha....even if he could pardon himself, it won't be to save himself from being impeached. It would be from going to jail.
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited August 2017
    ^^^
    There is that word could again.  Can a President Pardon himself or not?

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
    edited August 2017
    2019
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    There is that word could again.  Can a President Pardon himself or not?

    ^^^
    There is a dimwitted response again.

    Okay let's say yes he can. It wouldn't save him from being impeached. It would save him from going to jail. 

    Slow death march. Enjoy the ride.
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    The Juggler said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    There is that word could again.  Can a President Pardon himself or not?

    ^^^
    There is a dimwitted response again.

    Okay let's say yes he can. It wouldn't save him from being impeached. It would save him from going to jail. 

    Slow death march. Enjoy the ride.

    Dimwitted or not someone has to think of this.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    There is that word could again.  Can a President Pardon himself or not?

    ^^^
    There is a dimwitted response again.

    Okay let's say yes he can. It wouldn't save him from being impeached. It would save him from going to jail. 

    Slow death march. Enjoy the ride.

    Dimwitted or not someone has to think of this.
    You can think of it if you'd like. Don't hurt yourself though. 
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,378
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    If only people would READ the Constitution....

    and stop blaming other people or asking asinine questions because they are too damn lazy to READ the Constitution. Ugh.
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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,598
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    He can't.
    He can at the federal level, not the state level, right?  Which is why this is such a big deal
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    Cliffy6745 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    He can't.
    He can at the federal level, not the state level, right?  Which is why this is such a big deal

    Definitely not at the state....gotta be why Mueller is working with Schneiderman. They have something on him.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    The Juggler said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    He can't.
    He can at the federal level, not the state level, right?  Which is why this is such a big deal

    Definitely not at the state....gotta be why Mueller is working with Schneiderman. They have something on him.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    Buckle up?


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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,598
    The Juggler said:
    Buckle up?


    I don't understand...
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
    edited August 2017
    2019
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Buckle up?


    I don't understand...
    All I know is he is a friend of Comey's who's posted cryptic messages like this on twitter shortly before some bombshell report comes out. Today he posted "It's going to be a long day. Buckle up." Then he posted this. Who knows...
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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,598
    The Juggler said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Buckle up?


    I don't understand...
    All I know is he is a friend of Comey's who's posted cryptic messages like this on twitter shortly before some bombshell report comes out. Today he posted "It's going to be a long day. Buckle up." Then he posted this. Who knows...
    Reading into this a bit more.  Apparently the cannons are symbolic.

    Well then, get on with it...

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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,598
    edited August 2017
    My bet is he fires Mueller.  That's why the NY AG news came out yesterday.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I find it interesting that no one can answer if the President is allowed to pardon himself.
    I think it's because nobody ever figured a president would be that big of a fucking asshole. Seems like they now have to look at the constitution with a different mindset and maybe make some amendments that will cover dealing with a POTUS who is more corrupt and awful than one would normally assume was possible in a society that has democratic (kinda) elections.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    Cliffy6745 said:
    My bet is he fires Mueller.  That's why the NY AG news came out yesterday.

    He can't though. He'd have to fire Rosenstein first, and find someone to replace him who would agree to fire Mueller for him...right?
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,610
    Maybe Manafort is cutting a deal and will be singing like a canary? Or am I moving too fast?
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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,598
    The Juggler said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    My bet is he fires Mueller.  That's why the NY AG news came out yesterday.

    He can't though. He'd have to fire Rosenstein first, and find someone to replace him who would agree to fire Mueller for him...right?
    Yeah, though wouldn't the person to find his replacement be Sessions?  It could be in progress, but you're probably right.
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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,598
    This it?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-notes-russian-meet-contain-cryptic-reference-donations-n797816


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    ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,755
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    Things are trending more towards the business dealings lately. My wild shot in the dark of what he is alluding to is something that expands upon the stories in the last couple of days of the proposed hotel and Cohen's comments. 
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    ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,755
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    Hmmmm....

    https://twitter.com/kendilaniannbc/status/903315175880749059
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