Obamacare is a mess

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 17,202

    Love how Joe Kennedy III slammed Paul Ryan for his bs plan.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/03/08/kennedy-rips-gop-health-plan/IWpUdBxaIrjA50ooQ1z43J/story.html

    Just found out he has the same birthday and year of birth as me which is nice. Surreal that someone my age is considered for 2020.

    Yeah he could be someone to keep an eye on ..
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,265
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 24,534
    So let's assume this bill passes the house tonight. I figure it has to otherwise they wouldn't be pushing this vote so hard. What then? It's not going to pass the Senate as is, so how does it get changed at that point?
  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 5,575
    Doesn't sound like they have the numbers, so they are going to delay the vote until Friday or next week: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325459-gop-lawmakers-say-vote-unlikely-on-thursday

    A new poll shows only 17% approve of the Obamacare repeal, and 56% disapprove. That is probably causing some GOP holdouts from supporting it. http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325448-poll-majority-of-voters-disapprove-of-gop-obamacare-repeal-plan
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 24,534
    Alright yeah, so no vote today and it looks like it's getting harder and harder to see.

    That said, what does happen if this were to get out of the house? I still don't understand. Can it be re-written without going back to the house because it's not passing the Senate?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,047

    Alright yeah, so no vote today and it looks like it's getting harder and harder to see.

    That said, what does happen if this were to get out of the house? I still don't understand. Can it be re-written without going back to the house because it's not passing the Senate?

    The senate could pass a similar, modified bill and then it would go to reconciliation committee to have the differences hammered out. Then it would go back to both houses for a vote and presumably pass and go to the president for signature. Unless political pressure kills it in one of the houses or the differences cant be ironed out in committee (I think as its been a long time since I watched conjunction junction and bill into a law on Saturday morning).
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 24,534

    Alright yeah, so no vote today and it looks like it's getting harder and harder to see.

    That said, what does happen if this were to get out of the house? I still don't understand. Can it be re-written without going back to the house because it's not passing the Senate?

    The senate could pass a similar, modified bill and then it would go to reconciliation committee to have the differences hammered out. Then it would go back to both houses for a vote and presumably pass and go to the president for signature. Unless political pressure kills it in one of the houses or the differences cant be ironed out in committee (I think as its been a long time since I watched conjunction junction and bill into a law on Saturday morning).
    This makes sense. I got it.

    Freedom Caucus seems to think it will get done.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,100
    "freedom caucus"? Freeing people from the burden of decent health insurance?
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 9,528

    "freedom caucus"? Freeing people from the burden of decent health insurance?

    Extremist looney toons
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,265
    Here's a photo of the GOP discussing the ACA. Including ending abortion coverage, Planned Parenthood funding, maternity and contraceptive coverage, and the gender rating

    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something seems to be missing from this discussion....
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,100
    Hair?
  • CM189191 said:

    Here's a photo of the GOP discussing the ACA. Including ending abortion coverage, Planned Parenthood funding, maternity and contraceptive coverage, and the gender rating

    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something seems to be missing from this discussion....

    Maybe there just wasn't any better qualified women or people of colour. It does happen you know.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,265

    CM189191 said:

    Here's a photo of the GOP discussing the ACA. Including ending abortion coverage, Planned Parenthood funding, maternity and contraceptive coverage, and the gender rating

    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something seems to be missing from this discussion....

    Maybe there just wasn't any better qualified women or people of colour. It does happen you know.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 5,575
    CM189191 said:

    Here's a photo of the GOP discussing the ACA. Including ending abortion coverage, Planned Parenthood funding, maternity and contraceptive coverage, and the gender rating

    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something seems to be missing from this discussion....

    Trump? Buckets of KFC?
    Based on Jimmy Kimmel's coverage of Trump in meetings it isn't hard to see why they didn't want him sitting at the big boy table:
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,265
    edited March 24
    jeffbr said:

    CM189191 said:

    Here's a photo of the GOP discussing the ACA. Including ending abortion coverage, Planned Parenthood funding, maternity and contraceptive coverage, and the gender rating

    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something seems to be missing from this discussion....

    Trump? Buckets of KFC?
    Based on Jimmy Kimmel's coverage of Trump in meetings it isn't hard to see why they didn't want him sitting at the big boy table:

    "Medicaid expansions were associated with a decline of 6.1 percent in deaths, or about 2,840 per year for every 500,000 adults added."

    24+ million people would lose health insurance with Trump/Ryan Care. The White House's estimate is actually higher.

    That comes to more than 100,000 avoidable deaths EVERY YEAR because these aholes want to give more tax breaks to the rich, and give more money to insurance companies.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 17,202

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/us/politics/health-care-affordable-care-act.html

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 12,963
    CM189191 said:

    Here's a photo of the GOP discussing the ACA. Including ending abortion coverage, Planned Parenthood funding, maternity and contraceptive coverage, and the gender rating

    I can't quite put my finger on it, but something seems to be missing from this discussion....

    Vote for women any chance you get
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CAPosts: 7,623
    Ryan is now Martin Sheen at the end of The Dead Zone.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 5,575
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 12,120
    Two months in and hes already a colossal failure. Good.
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,265

    Two months in and hes already a colossal failure. Good.

    two months is being generous
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  • rssesqrssesq Fairfield CountyPosts: 3,299
    rssesq said:

    have a "cadillac" plan with anthem bc/bs, before ACA $395, now $690
    Appreciate it bro.

    With anthem being the only one left in the market and predicting and 65% increase in the coming year, even us "well off" are gonna be priced out. I'm already payin an amount akin to a Lexus GS F lease so I can help subsidize the heath care of two 400 pounders who smoke 2 packs of 'Ports per day and whom eat 5 times a week at Mickey D;'s.

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,100
    rssesq said:

    rssesq said:

    have a "cadillac" plan with anthem bc/bs, before ACA $395, now $690
    Appreciate it bro.

    With anthem being the only one left in the market and predicting and 65% increase in the coming year, even us "well off" are gonna be priced out. I'm already payin an amount akin to a Lexus GS F lease so I can help subsidize the heath care of two 400 pounders who smoke 2 packs of 'Ports per day and whom eat 5 times a week at Mickey D;'s.

    I think you're subsidizing some exec's salaries.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 9,528
    rssesq said:

    rssesq said:

    have a "cadillac" plan with anthem bc/bs, before ACA $395, now $690
    Appreciate it bro.

    With anthem being the only one left in the market and predicting and 65% increase in the coming year, even us "well off" are gonna be priced out. I'm already payin an amount akin to a Lexus GS F lease so I can help subsidize the heath care of two 400 pounders who smoke 2 packs of 'Ports per day and whom eat 5 times a week at Mickey D;'s.

    Awwww you poor thing!
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  • rssesqrssesq Fairfield CountyPosts: 3,299
    nice beard
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 6,570
    rssesq said:

    rssesq said:

    have a "cadillac" plan with anthem bc/bs, before ACA $395, now $690
    Appreciate it bro.

    With anthem being the only one left in the market and predicting and 65% increase in the coming year, even us "well off" are gonna be priced out. I'm already payin an amount akin to a Lexus GS F lease so I can help subsidize the heath care of two 400 pounders who smoke 2 packs of 'Ports per day and whom eat 5 times a week at Mickey D;'s.

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  • rssesqrssesq Fairfield CountyPosts: 3,299

    rssesq said:

    rssesq said:

    have a "cadillac" plan with anthem bc/bs, before ACA $395, now $690
    Appreciate it bro.

    With anthem being the only one left in the market and predicting and 65% increase in the coming year, even us "well off" are gonna be priced out. I'm already payin an amount akin to a Lexus GS F lease so I can help subsidize the heath care of two 400 pounders who smoke 2 packs of 'Ports per day and whom eat 5 times a week at Mickey D;'s.

    no you aren't...
    I know but don't count my money socialist, lol.

    "the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of OTHER people's money."
    Ask the soviet union. Oh my bad, they don't exist anymore.

    "Apology made to whoever it pleases, still they got me like Jesus." Chuck D
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,100
    rssesq said:

    rssesq said:

    rssesq said:

    have a "cadillac" plan with anthem bc/bs, before ACA $395, now $690
    Appreciate it bro.

    With anthem being the only one left in the market and predicting and 65% increase in the coming year, even us "well off" are gonna be priced out. I'm already payin an amount akin to a Lexus GS F lease so I can help subsidize the heath care of two 400 pounders who smoke 2 packs of 'Ports per day and whom eat 5 times a week at Mickey D;'s.

    no you aren't...
    I know but don't count my money socialist, lol.

    "the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of OTHER people's money."
    Ask the soviet union. Oh my bad, they don't exist anymore.

    Ask all the other countries with a single payer system.
  • rssesqrssesq Fairfield CountyPosts: 3,299

    rssesq said:

    rssesq said:

    rssesq said:

    have a "cadillac" plan with anthem bc/bs, before ACA $395, now $690
    Appreciate it bro.

    With anthem being the only one left in the market and predicting and 65% increase in the coming year, even us "well off" are gonna be priced out. I'm already payin an amount akin to a Lexus GS F lease so I can help subsidize the heath care of two 400 pounders who smoke 2 packs of 'Ports per day and whom eat 5 times a week at Mickey D;'s.

    no you aren't...
    I know but don't count my money socialist, lol.

    "the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of OTHER people's money."
    Ask the soviet union. Oh my bad, they don't exist anymore.

    Ask all the other countries with a single payer system.
    the doctors in those countries have a good standard of living, not an INCREDIBLE standard of living.

    "Apology made to whoever it pleases, still they got me like Jesus." Chuck D
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