Recent Wave of Immigrant Arrests - What Does it Mean?

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,854

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How odd

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 11,538
    edited February 16

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,649

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop head she off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance Justin the same.
    someone's either posting from their phone or using a new spellcheck called "GFcheck".
  • unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop head she off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance Justin the same.
    someone's either posting from their phone or using a new spellcheck called "GFcheck".
    Lol

    I just reread it and edited. Gawddamn spell check can make you sound like GF.
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  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DCPosts: 6,768

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    A better way to approach your argument is to either make it an argument about religion or an argument about cultural anthropology. I would guess most people on his board are not well versed in Muslim text. (Muslim scholars, anyone?) People who interpret the texts may use the words to promote violence, and a greater focus on other challenging influences would be appropriate, e.g., examples of people joining ISIS because of Muslim Ban.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,854

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop head she off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance Justin the same.
    someone's either posting from their phone or using a new spellcheck called "GFcheck".
    Lol

    I just reread it and edited. Gawddamn spell check can make you sound like GF.
    I loved "reeks of ignorance Justin the same".....
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop head she off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance Justin the same.
    someone's either posting from their phone or using a new spellcheck called "GFcheck".
    Lol

    I just reread it and edited. Gawddamn spell check can make you sound like GF.
    I loved "reeks of ignorance Justin the same".....
    I'm proud of that. It's the first time ever it has been uttered in the history of mankind!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,854

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
    Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PP193448PP193448 Springboro, OHPosts: 3,125

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
    Catholic priests who molest children should be in jail, not protected and covered up by the church. This was/is a problem and is actually being addressed. I'm Catholic and had to go thru FBI and child abuse background checks as well as take child molestation prevention classes just to volunteer at my son's school. It would be better to compare the pedophilia of the Catholic Church to the abuse and treatment of women by the Muslim faith. To compare it to decapitation of Christians by radical Islam extremists is just ignorant. Think you're better than that Thirty...
    2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2
  • unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
    Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.
    It's all nonsense.

    One can point to multiple atrocities on the part of Christianity stupidity (witches, crusades, etc.); however, I wanted to point out a current Christian blemish that good, God fearing Christians don't speak about and in many cases excuse and cover up.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PP193448 said:

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
    Catholic priests who molest children should be in jail, not protected and covered up by the church. This was/is a problem and is actually being addressed. I'm Catholic and had to go thru FBI and child abuse background checks as well as take child molestation prevention classes just to volunteer at my son's school. It would be better to compare the pedophilia of the Catholic Church to the abuse and treatment of women by the Muslim faith. To compare it to decapitation of Christians by radical Islam extremists is just ignorant. Think you're better than that Thirty...
    I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of criticizing another religion when your own religion isn't fantastic either.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,854

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
    Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.
    It's all nonsense.

    One can point to multiple atrocities on the part of Christianity stupidity (witches, crusades, etc.); however, I wanted to point out a current Christian blemish that good, God fearing Christians don't speak about and in many cases excuse and cover up.
    I'm not disagreeing with you (on this point, at least ;) )

    (But if someone has to believe nonsense, I'd prefer it to be a version of nonsense that promotes tolerance, love, and peaceful coexistence)
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
    Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.
    It's all nonsense.

    One can point to multiple atrocities on the part of Christianity stupidity (witches, crusades, etc.); however, I wanted to point out a current Christian blemish that good, God fearing Christians don't speak about and in many cases excuse and cover up.
    I'm not disagreeing with you (on this point, at least ;) )

    (But if someone has to believe nonsense, I'd prefer it to be a version of nonsense that promotes tolerance, love, and peaceful coexistence)
    Like Buddhism?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 12,635

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    spot on
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,854

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Maybe when there is no more poverty , otherwise I'd say we can't stop ever !
    We can't empty the boat when water keeps flowing in.

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    At what point have we met our moral obligation to help poor people?

    Right now, for most situations, birth means everything.

    Some babies, like us and ours, are born into pleasant circumstances. Others are born into poor circumstances. When we recognize our good fortunes and acknowledge those with misfortunes... we likely won't be so abject to assisting others.

    Hoarding massive amounts of wealth earned as a lucky baby on the backs of others is fundamentally wrong in my opinion. We need a more equitable model for wealth distribution that still respects a baby's lottery win- being born to wealth- but allows for babies born unto poor circumstances the opportunity to crawl out of the gutter.
    Well said, Thirty.

    Some societies do a much better job than others of making things more equitable, at least for those within their society. Not all societies share the "claw myself to the top" mentality of the USA.

    Don't forget you're also a citizen of the world, not just a citizen of the USA.
    Screw that globalist BS. It isn't my burden to save the world when my own country is the one that always picks up the slack. Sorry, hard to equate anything with this coming from a Canadian. My buddy got stopped at the border on his way to a fishing trip because of a DUI a few years prior. Don't lecture me on immigration.
    yep, you're undeserving unless you were born within the confines of that magical line that does't exist in reality!
    Sorry bud, I believe in property rights. Or do you leave your front door open each night?
    well, I guess I could respond to that if I believed equating immigrants with criminals made a lick of sense.
    ????? really ?

    comprehension problem?
    no, just total amazement at your lack of understanding of the real world, this country and all others have fought and maintained borders
    from the beginning even the native Americans (or so they're called) fought for and killed each other for hunting grounds and living areas
    and it was always a matter of survival...to maintain a peoples security, your free love, hippy way of thinking is what wiped-out some of the non aggressive tribes and cultures but I'm sure you don't believe that right ?
    even the hippy generation grew up and understood the means of survival, you really should put that fad away and think in terms of survival yourself...just say'n..


    I live in the real world. you live in a world of deluded fear that you have bought from fox news and other right wing sources, coupled with your own experiences that have clouded your judgment into thinking all your countries' woes are the work of immigrants and other people you think wish to do you harm.

    your country's economy is partially built around the powers that be maintaining that fear of its people.

    no one is saying just let anyone walk anywhere on earth as they please. I NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. But closing the door on people in need goes against what your country (and mine) was founded on. how ironic, since that's all the second ammendment folks blather on about, "our founding fathers/principles" when it comes to gun rights, but forget the "bring us your tired...." when it doesn't suit them.
    you say ' in need ' these terrorist who have shot up a gay bar or a business party etc. were they granted access because they were in need ?
    I 'll bet the back ground checks where I work is more in depth than a citizenship back ground check...which is what the whole temporary ban is about it wasn't intended to be permanent only to by some time to create a better process of vetting immigrants wanting to come here...why was that a problem ? just about every president before Trump did the same thing, shit Obama did it and every democrat in the country kissed his ass.
    You are referring to the shooting in Florida in 2016 correct?
    You do realize that the guy who shot up the bar in Orlando was born in New York right?

    So basing this particular incident as an example of how Trump's ban would have helped prevent this incident is completely incorrect.
    I mean you are informed with correct information when forming your opinions aren't you?
    what a shame.....what does that tell you ? maybe muslim cultures don't belong here ? that maybe all the stories and facts about muslim belief of all who don't believe in alha must die and women are to be used as sexual objects and servants for the male warriors of islam..
    but I'm sure you don't believe any of that do you ?

    Sure, I believe that some Muslim men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects and servants for men of Islam, just like I believe that some Christian men believe that woman are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some Jewish men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. Just like I believe that some atheist men believe that women are to be used as sexual objects. The common factor there is men, not Islam.
    always seems to be countered with "Christians" this or Christians that but to be honest about it, Christians are not the ones in question and you really believe that the Christian faith is anywhere near as barbaric as the muslims then you're just making excuses' for a culture that hates you and your infidel ways, if you were to travel to a muslim country and offered them peace and understanding I'd bet you wouldn't make it longer than a few days before your head was chopped off....I hope it's a bet you would not consider, I just can't understand why people like you keep standing up a for cult that thrives on death and devastation of any country it enters.
    How about the cult of pedophila like Christianity?

    The rate of little boys abused by priests is greater than the rate of idiot Muslims killing people in th name of Allah.

    Don't get me wrong... I think Islam is not as beautiful as people like to make it out to be. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. You shouldn't throw stones when you live in glass houses. Christianity might not lop heads off or stone women to death... but it reeks of ignorance just the same.
    Old Testament Christianity is not that pretty, either. And funny how a lot of people who argue about the horrors of Islam seem to favour the more fire and brimstone, smite your enemies version of Christianity rather than Christ's version.
    It's all nonsense.

    One can point to multiple atrocities on the part of Christianity stupidity (witches, crusades, etc.); however, I wanted to point out a current Christian blemish that good, God fearing Christians don't speak about and in many cases excuse and cover up.
    I'm not disagreeing with you (on this point, at least ;) )

    (But if someone has to believe nonsense, I'd prefer it to be a version of nonsense that promotes tolerance, love, and peaceful coexistence)
    Like Buddhism?
    Like FSM, though I'm not picky.

    Actually, that's not true. I am picky.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited February 16
    thank you all for the wonderful entertainment, as far as muslam being a religion of peace and understanding......non of you have a leg to stand on and your reply's just proved my point and yet all you can do is bring up Christianity and Catholic Priest'...a sure sign you've hit a wall with your pro argument for muslam .
    Post edited by Godfather. on
    it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
    as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!
    it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
    as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
  • when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!

    Was there anything personal?

    I thought the recent string of comments referred to the ignorance of a couple religions and how they both shared cult-like qualities?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,854

    when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!

    Was there anything personal?

    I thought the recent string of comments referred to the ignorance of a couple religions and how they both shared cult-like qualities?
    I just read back. Nothing personal that I can see, beyond the GF Spellchecker. But we need to take into account the special sensitivities of some people.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!

    Was there anything personal?

    I thought the recent string of comments referred to the ignorance of a couple religions and how they both shared cult-like qualities?
    I just read back. Nothing personal that I can see, beyond the GF Spellchecker. But we need to take into account the special sensitivities of some people.
    I just waved my hands around my chest and muttered some stuff. I'm forgiven. How about you?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 12,635
    wtf is a muslam?
  • dignindignin Posts: 5,028
    my2hands said:

    wtf is a muslam?

    moose + lamb
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 11,538
    edited February 16
    my2hands said:

    wtf is a muslam?

    A mythical three horned moose in Canada. Hunters have tried for years to prove its existence.

    Mathematicians give it a 98% better chance of being real than some guy who lives in the clouds, but who knows? I mean... just who the f**k knows?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 12,635
    Krishtans... Boodists... Seeks...

    this is fun... should Spicey get out his puppets? :)
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 3,731
    Can't believe you muslam lovers insist on responding to gf. :dizzy:
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,649

    thank you all for the wonderful entertainment, as far as muslam being a religion of peace and understanding......non of you have a leg to stand on and your reply's just proved my point and yet all you can do is bring up Christianity and Catholic Priest'...a sure sign you've hit a wall with your pro argument for muslam .

    you are completely missing the point. the point is this:

    you simply cannot take one very fringe portion of a religion and envelope that entire religion with that incredibly small fringe.

    which is why your comment about going to a muslim country and getting your head chopped off is so ludicrous. as ludicrous as saying "don't go to vatican city or your son is sure to get raped by a priest". it simply is not the case. are the problems in all religions, not just all religions, in all groups in society? of course. we are merely pointing out that your view that islam is out to destroy the west's way of life is pure lunacy.

    it's all simple math: (I googled "how many muslim extremists are there in the world?")

    https://www.quora.com/How-many-extremist-Muslims-are-there-when-compared-with-the-wider-and-world-wide-Muslim-population

    As mentioned already, it depends on how one defines "extremism." Assuming the news definition and common usage, CNN has a good article listing the numbers of various "Islamic" terrorist organizations (there's a whole other discussion on how the question is wrong since Islam doesn't teach unwarranted violence, but that's another question entirely). The article estimates around 106,000 individuals are members or identify with these organizations. That's a pretty high number, but let's do some high-level number crunching so we can get a better idea of how big that is.

    A recent Pew Research Study places the number of Muslims worldwide to be around 1.6 billion (or 23% of the world's population). So doing some basic math, we get that about .006625% of the Muslim population are "extremist".
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,649
    but then, you'd most likely be more inclined to believe this website that also came up:

    https://sites.google.com/site/islamicthreatsimplified/home/how-many-muslims-are-there-how-many-are-jihadis
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,854

    when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!

    Was there anything personal?

    I thought the recent string of comments referred to the ignorance of a couple religions and how they both shared cult-like qualities?
    I just read back. Nothing personal that I can see, beyond the GF Spellchecker. But we need to take into account the special sensitivities of some people.
    I just waved my hands around my chest and muttered some stuff. I'm forgiven. How about you?
    I didn't even need to wave my hands. Just ate some pasta and garlic bread and I'm all good.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,649
    edited February 16

    when you guy's get shut down I've noticed you have a habit of making personal attacks, I'll ask the you keep in mind that I am a sensitive and kind person who my feel emotional pain when attacked at a personal level..........LOL !!!!!

    Was there anything personal?

    I thought the recent string of comments referred to the ignorance of a couple religions and how they both shared cult-like qualities?
    I just read back. Nothing personal that I can see, beyond the GF Spellchecker. But we need to take into account the special sensitivities of some people.
    he makes just as many jokes about his own spelling as everyone else, so I figured that was fair game.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    dignin said:

    my2hands said:

    wtf is a muslam?

    moose + lamb
    ....you mean like a goat ?

    it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
    as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
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