SCOTUS Justice Neil Gorsuch - Destruction of Unions

tbergstbergs Posts: 2,795
edited September 29 in A Moving Train
Looks like we have a winner! Time to discuss.
It's a hopeless situation...
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,373
    He's no Judge Reinhold

  • unsungunsung Posts: 7,736
    I preferred Napolitano.
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CAPosts: 7,623
    Great another asshole who doesn't believe in separation of church and state. Fuck him.
    RIP America (1776-2016)
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    "American liberals have become addicted to the courtroom, relying on judges and lawyers rather than elected leaders and the ballot box, as the primary means of effecting their social agenda" -Gorsuch
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 24,187
    Can force them to get 60 votes right?
  • jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,317
    JC29856 said:

    "American liberals have become addicted to the courtroom, relying on judges and lawyers rather than elected leaders and the ballot box, as the primary means of effecting their social agenda" -Gorsuch

    Although I'm a solid blue progressive, there is a lot of truth in this statement.

    With that said, far right conservatives have been salivating to have a chance to legislate their own agenda through the high court. It goes both ways.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,373

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,373
    I think you're very correct there, my friend. I'm not too concerned with this pick. If Trump gets another, that's where he could do some harm for generations.
  • Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 2,873
    Any dirt on this guy?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,971
    Wma31394 said:

    Any dirt on this guy?

    Like having a Comet Pizza menu or frequent buyer card?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    Without knowing dick shit about the scotus nominees positions I'm fairly certain any and all trumps picks will be disastrous. That and trumps affection for Israel were my only real concerns with him being president.
    Reading that gorsuch is Scalia 2.0 is all I need to know.
    I'm not sure how Senate democrats can leverage their vote when they confirmed him in 2006 for the circuit.

    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 24,187
    JC29856 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    So if he is confirmed and Kennedy retires they can save the nuclear option and get this and the next more radical pick confirmed?

    I don't exactly follow what the nuclear option is, though I keep hearing about it. Why couldn't they potentially use it on both?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349

    JC29856 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    So if he is confirmed and Kennedy retires they can save the nuclear option and get this and the next more radical pick confirmed?

    I don't exactly follow what the nuclear option is, though I keep hearing about it. Why couldn't they potentially use it on both?
    Nuclear option is a form of cheating by changing the rules of the game, from super majority 60 votes to simple majority 51 votes.
    The republicans could use it for both but that means this nomination process gets ugly, the other point of not going nuclear is if you don't have to, then don't, save your trump card for the real cooky nominee.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 5,895
    edited February 1
    things getting personal in relation to the thread is understandable...following someone around constantly harassing them about unrelated topics is annoying af. Drop it already halifax...and all the other JC haters.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 2,795
    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    So if he is confirmed and Kennedy retires they can save the nuclear option and get this and the next more radical pick confirmed?

    I don't exactly follow what the nuclear option is, though I keep hearing about it. Why couldn't they potentially use it on both?
    Nuclear option is a form of cheating by changing the rules of the game, from super majority 60 votes to simple majority 51 votes.
    The republicans could use it for both but that means this nomination process gets ugly, the other point of not going nuclear is if you don't have to, then don't, save your trump card for the real cooky nominee.
    Might be hard to convince any Dem to cross the line given what happened with Obama's nominee. It's just political bullshit.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,373
    There's really no easy way to describe the nuclear option. The belief is amongst most senators that senate rules (being the upper chamber) are sacred and old school guys like McConnell swear to abide by the written rules of procedure...like 60 votes needed for Supreme Court justice. So the idea of tarnishing parliamentary procedure and requiring a simple majority on this is their equivalent of using nuclear weapons.
    It's all pompous bullshit though. Mitch likes to pretend to be a traditional member of the legislative body, yet he denied President Obama his pick.

    So, yeah. Makes no sense to me either.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    tbergs said:

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    So if he is confirmed and Kennedy retires they can save the nuclear option and get this and the next more radical pick confirmed?

    I don't exactly follow what the nuclear option is, though I keep hearing about it. Why couldn't they potentially use it on both?
    Nuclear option is a form of cheating by changing the rules of the game, from super majority 60 votes to simple majority 51 votes.
    The republicans could use it for both but that means this nomination process gets ugly, the other point of not going nuclear is if you don't have to, then don't, save your trump card for the real cooky nominee.
    Might be hard to convince any Dem to cross the line given what happened with Obama's nominee. It's just political bullshit.
    Be pretty tough for Schumer to oppose now for Scotus when he nominated 10 years ago for circuit. That's a very very tough sell as Dem leader, other dems would have to take up the cause.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,971

    things getting personal in relation to the thread is understandable...following someone around constantly harassing them about unrelated topics is annoying af. Drop it already halifax...and all the other JC haters.

    Come again? A tie to Comet Pizza isn't dirt? I would hope our SCOTUS nominees are vetted as thoroughly as our potential immigrants?

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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 5,895
    :sleeping:
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,317
    JC29856 said:
    It should also be noted that confirming circuit and district judges on "up or down" votes was a fairly simple process. For some reason that changed after 2009.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349

    JC29856 said:
    It should also be noted that confirming circuit and district judges on "up or down" votes was a fairly simple process. For some reason that changed after 2009.
    Lol... For some reason!
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 2,795
    edited February 1
    You know that if the Dems would have had the majority they would have used the nuclear option so there's no reason the repubs will wait this out and risk losing their shot. The dems are the ones who set the stage for this to happen. It's just ironic now that the situation is flipped how repubs will whine about dems holding up the process.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    tbergs said:

    You know that if the Dems would have had the majority they would have used the nuclear option so there's no reason the repubs will wait this out and risk losing their shot. The dems are the ones who set the stage for this to happen. It's just ironic now that the situation is flipped how repubs will whine about dems holding up the process.

    I'm not so sure, what are politicians only interested in? RE-ELECTION
    Red state Dem senators are walking a tight rope with 2018 right around the corner. If they think for a second that stalling or down voting could hurt their re-election bid, they will pledge their support 2 hours ago. Reports are some Dems already have.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 5,818
    This is what your fundamentalist Christian friends who voted for trump have been waiting for. They made a great moral compromise to cast a vote for trump, and now he's fulfilled their prayers. It's about abortion for them, or so they say. I'm sure trump had his more subtle appeal to them, but now they can go to church Sunday and feel at peace about electing a sex offender for a president.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 12,731

    This is what your fundamentalist Christian friends who voted for trump have been waiting for. They made a great moral compromise to cast a vote for trump, and now he's fulfilled their prayers. It's about abortion for them, or so they say. I'm sure trump had his more subtle appeal to them, but now they can go to church Sunday and feel at peace about electing a sex offender for a president.

    And he has known it all along.

    "You'll vote for me because you want the judges" or so something along those lines
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 12,731
    JC29856 said:

    Without knowing dick shit about the scotus nominees positions I'm fairly certain any and all trumps picks will be disastrous. That and trumps affection for Israel were my only real concerns with him being president.
    Reading that gorsuch is Scalia 2.0 is all I need to know.
    I'm not sure how Senate democrats can leverage their vote when they confirmed him in 2006 for the circuit.

    Those were you're only concerns? I'll give you credit, at least you had some concerns
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