Sure he gets that he's turning this into a Republican circular firing squad, right?
seems like Bannon is coming into his own. Obviously trying to start a 3rd party. This shit needs to be squashed. I can't stand the insidious nature of it all.
Sure he gets that he's turning this into a Republican circular firing squad, right?
seems like Bannon is coming into his own. Obviously trying to start a 3rd party. This shit needs to be squashed. I can't stand the insidious nature of it all.
Bannon and his ilk are untenable. Sure, they have a base that's energized but the "normal" folk won't support that shit show again. Fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again.
Sure he gets that he's turning this into a Republican circular firing squad, right?
seems like Bannon is coming into his own. Obviously trying to start a 3rd party. This shit needs to be squashed. I can't stand the insidious nature of it all.
Bannon and his ilk are untenable. Sure, they have a base that's energized but the "normal" folk won't support that shit show again. Fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again.
do you live in the US? people here are batshit crazy and there's no turning back.
Sure he gets that he's turning this into a Republican circular firing squad, right?
seems like Bannon is coming into his own. Obviously trying to start a 3rd party. This shit needs to be squashed. I can't stand the insidious nature of it all.
Bannon and his ilk are untenable. Sure, they have a base that's energized but the "normal" folk won't support that shit show again. Fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again.
do you live in the US? people here are batshit crazy and there's no turning back.
The batshitters aren't enough to hold congress or re-elect Trump. Wait until all those folks in Trump states lose the health insurance they've had for the past 4 years. In about two weeks or so. Then watch the government shit down around the holidays followed by trump's first state of the union in January 2018. The bloodletting come November will be the likes never seen. Bannon will be the next David Duke, Bernie Sanders, Ross Perot, Gary Hart, Lyndon Larouche. Untenable, flash in the pan. Demographics.
Sure he gets that he's turning this into a Republican circular firing squad, right?
seems like Bannon is coming into his own. Obviously trying to start a 3rd party. This shit needs to be squashed. I can't stand the insidious nature of it all.
Bannon and his ilk are untenable. Sure, they have a base that's energized but the "normal" folk won't support that shit show again. Fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again.
do you live in the US? people here are batshit crazy and there's no turning back.
The batshitters aren't enough to hold congress or re-elect Trump. Wait until all those folks in Trump states lose the health insurance they've had for the past 4 years. In about two weeks or so. Then watch the government shit down around the holidays followed by trump's first state of the union in January 2018. The bloodletting come November will be the likes never seen. Bannon will be the next David Duke, Bernie Sanders, Ross Perot, Gary Hart, Lyndon Larouche. Untenable, flash in the pan. Demographics.
Trump could sign a decree requiring all of us to eat our own shit. The Bible thumpers and gun nuts would all still vote for him. Thats a good 30-40% of the population. Enough to almost win the electoral college. The Russians will take care of the rest.
Sure he gets that he's turning this into a Republican circular firing squad, right?
seems like Bannon is coming into his own. Obviously trying to start a 3rd party. This shit needs to be squashed. I can't stand the insidious nature of it all.
Bannon and his ilk are untenable. Sure, they have a base that's energized but the "normal" folk won't support that shit show again. Fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again.
do you live in the US? people here are batshit crazy and there's no turning back.
The batshitters aren't enough to hold congress or re-elect Trump. Wait until all those folks in Trump states lose the health insurance they've had for the past 4 years. In about two weeks or so. Then watch the government shit down around the holidays followed by trump's first state of the union in January 2018. The bloodletting come November will be the likes never seen. Bannon will be the next David Duke, Bernie Sanders, Ross Perot, Gary Hart, Lyndon Larouche. Untenable, flash in the pan. Demographics.
Trump could sign a decree requiring all of us to eat our own shit. The Bible thumpers and gun nuts would all still vote for him. Thats a good 30-40% of the population. Enough to almost win the electoral college. The Russians will take care of the rest.
But it's the women he attacks, the independents, the disaffected Bernie bros and the Clinton/Obama voters who stayed home that won't make that mistake again. He'll always have his whack job base but even that will dwindle as coal and manufacturing jobs don't come back, more white males die off and voters see him for the snake oil salesman that he is.
See these people don't hate what radical islam is all about....they actually like the concept. They are jealous they can't do it too. Radical religion is very similar no matter which name you call it.
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Opinion: Even with Trump’s pardon, Steve Bannon is not off the hook
Opinion by John S. Martin and Philip Allen Lacovara
Jan. 29, 2021 at 3:43 p.m. EST
John
S. Martin served as U.S. attorney and U.S. district judge for the
Southern District of New York. Philip Allen Lacovara served as counsel
to the Watergate special prosecutor, deputy solicitor general and
president of the D.C. Bar.
On his last day in office, President Donald Trump issued pardons
to 74 people and commuted the sentences for 70 others. For most
recipients, the impact of Trump’s actions is simple: They get out of
jail or legal jeopardy.
More
complicated are the last-minute pardons that Trump extended to some of
his friends and allies, particularly political strategist Stephen K.
Bannon. It would be a mistake to think that Bannon’s pardon gives him a
free pass. He still has a lot to worry about.
Pardons do not take effect automatically. More than a century ago, the Supreme Court explained
that, for a presidential pardon to be effective, it must be “accepted”
by the person offered the pardon. Significantly, as Chief Justice John
Marshall wrote in 1833, the decision to accept a pardon is an admission of guilt.
As
a consequence, people offered a pardon who insist that they are
innocent of the charges have the right to a trial to clear their name.
But if they decide to accept the pardon, they convey to the world that
they committed the crime and have been spared some of the consequences.
This was made clear in the dismissal of the indictment
against Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn, whom
Trump also pardoned. In agreeing to dismiss the indictment, Judge Emmet
G. Sullivan emphasized that Flynn, after twice pleading guilty, had
formally “accepted” the pardon. The judge characterized a presidential
pardon as a “political decision.” But the pardon “does not, standing
alone, render [Flynn] innocent of the alleged violation” of a federal
criminal statute. Instead, the judge extensively explained all the
reasons why, in fact, Flynn actually was guilty, as his invoking the
pardon necessarily acknowledged.
The same principle applies to the pardon that Trump granted Charles Kushner,
the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared. In 2004, Kushner had pleaded
guilty to 18 counts of a federal indictment charging him with illegal
campaign contributions, tax evasion and witness tampering. He served 14
months in prison. His pardon does not imply that he was not guilty of
those crimes, and it entitles him to no apology for the time he spent in
jail. For him to accept the pardon, he must again effectively confirm
his guilt.
The fact that the acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt poses a serious dilemma for Bannon, who has been accused,
along with others, of defrauding donors who wanted to contribute to
building Trump’s infamous “wall” along our southern border. Bannon
originally proclaimed his innocence, vowed to fight the charges and
asserted “this entire fiasco is to stop people who want to build the
wall.” If he now goes into court and accepts the pardon to have the
charges dismissed, he will thereby admit his guilt — in direct
contradiction of his earlier protests of innocence.
Even
if, as is likely, Bannon is prepared to invoke the pardon and thus
admit his guilt, the resulting dismissal of the charges against him may
not be the end of his entanglement in the border wall fundraising fraud.
No doubt, Bannon has highly important testimony about the alleged
scheme. Since acceptance of the pardon would protect Bannon from federal
prosecution, the U.S. attorney may well decide to give Bannon formal
“testimonial” immunity to force him to testify against his co-defendants
or others involved in the fraudulent scheme. With this protection,
Bannon would have no basis to refuse to testify. If he tried to clam up,
he would be sent to jail for contempt.
In
addition to calling Bannon as a witness against his co-defendants at
their trial, the prosecutors could call him before a grand jury to
question him about the possible culpability of others not yet indicted.
In either case, if Bannon falsely denies facts establishing his own
guilt, or that of his co-defendants, he will expose himself to
prosecution for perjury. Since any perjury will occur after the pardon
was issued, the pardon will not protect him from prosecution for a new
crime.
Moreover,
accepting the pardon may prove financially costly for Bannon. By
implicitly admitting his complicity in bilking Trump supporters who
thought that they were helping to fund the border wall, Bannon’s
acceptance of the pardon may be treated as a damning admission in
lawsuits against him seeking to recoup the misdirected contributions. In
addition, a presidential pardon only excuses federal crimes, but it
does not protect Bannon from state prosecutors.
It
is uncertain how the case against Bannon will proceed. He will either
accept the pardon and live with the consequences of admitting his guilt,
or go to trial and face the possibility of being convicted and going to
prison. In either event, like anyone offered a pardon, he will not be
able to maintain his claim of innocence unless he opts to stand trial
rather than accept the pardon — and then only if a jury finds him “not
guilty.” Trump’s offer of a pardon hardly wipes the slate clean.
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Justice Dept. seeks jail for Bannon in contempt of Congress case By Spencer S. Hsu October 17, 2022 at 13:31 ET Federal prosecutors urged a judge Monday to make former president Donald Trump’s political confidant Stephen K. Bannon the first person to be incarcerated for contempt of Congress in more than a half-century, recommending he serve six months in prison for refusing to cooperate with a House committee probing the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack. They also sought to fine Bannon the maximum $200,000 allowed because he refused to cooperate with court officials’ routine presentencing investigation and divulge his financial records. “The rioters who overran the Capitol on January 6 did not just attack a building — they assaulted the rule of law upon which this country was built and through which it endures. By flouting the Select Committee’s subpoena and its authority, the Defendant exacerbated that assault,” U.S. prosecutors J.P. Cooney and Amanda R. Vaughn wrote in a 24-page sentencing request. “Such behavior cannot be tolerated, lest it become commonplace and accepted, and the important work of congressional committees like the Select Committee rendered impossible.” Bannon was convicted at trial in July by a federal jury in Washington on two misdemeanor counts — for refusing to provide either testimony or documents — each punishable by at least 30 days and up to one year in jail.
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Opinion: Even with Trump’s pardon, Steve Bannon is not off the hook
John S. Martin served as U.S. attorney and U.S. district judge for the Southern District of New York. Philip Allen Lacovara served as counsel to the Watergate special prosecutor, deputy solicitor general and president of the D.C. Bar.
On his last day in office, President Donald Trump issued pardons to 74 people and commuted the sentences for 70 others. For most recipients, the impact of Trump’s actions is simple: They get out of jail or legal jeopardy.
More complicated are the last-minute pardons that Trump extended to some of his friends and allies, particularly political strategist Stephen K. Bannon. It would be a mistake to think that Bannon’s pardon gives him a free pass. He still has a lot to worry about.
Pardons do not take effect automatically. More than a century ago, the Supreme Court explained that, for a presidential pardon to be effective, it must be “accepted” by the person offered the pardon. Significantly, as Chief Justice John Marshall wrote in 1833, the decision to accept a pardon is an admission of guilt.
As a consequence, people offered a pardon who insist that they are innocent of the charges have the right to a trial to clear their name. But if they decide to accept the pardon, they convey to the world that they committed the crime and have been spared some of the consequences.
This was made clear in the dismissal of the indictment against Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn, whom Trump also pardoned. In agreeing to dismiss the indictment, Judge Emmet G. Sullivan emphasized that Flynn, after twice pleading guilty, had formally “accepted” the pardon. The judge characterized a presidential pardon as a “political decision.” But the pardon “does not, standing alone, render [Flynn] innocent of the alleged violation” of a federal criminal statute. Instead, the judge extensively explained all the reasons why, in fact, Flynn actually was guilty, as his invoking the pardon necessarily acknowledged.
The same principle applies to the pardon that Trump granted Charles Kushner, the father of Trump’s son-in-law, Jared. In 2004, Kushner had pleaded guilty to 18 counts of a federal indictment charging him with illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion and witness tampering. He served 14 months in prison. His pardon does not imply that he was not guilty of those crimes, and it entitles him to no apology for the time he spent in jail. For him to accept the pardon, he must again effectively confirm his guilt.
The fact that the acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt poses a serious dilemma for Bannon, who has been accused, along with others, of defrauding donors who wanted to contribute to building Trump’s infamous “wall” along our southern border. Bannon originally proclaimed his innocence, vowed to fight the charges and asserted “this entire fiasco is to stop people who want to build the wall.” If he now goes into court and accepts the pardon to have the charges dismissed, he will thereby admit his guilt — in direct contradiction of his earlier protests of innocence.
Even if, as is likely, Bannon is prepared to invoke the pardon and thus admit his guilt, the resulting dismissal of the charges against him may not be the end of his entanglement in the border wall fundraising fraud. No doubt, Bannon has highly important testimony about the alleged scheme. Since acceptance of the pardon would protect Bannon from federal prosecution, the U.S. attorney may well decide to give Bannon formal “testimonial” immunity to force him to testify against his co-defendants or others involved in the fraudulent scheme. With this protection, Bannon would have no basis to refuse to testify. If he tried to clam up, he would be sent to jail for contempt.
In addition to calling Bannon as a witness against his co-defendants at their trial, the prosecutors could call him before a grand jury to question him about the possible culpability of others not yet indicted. In either case, if Bannon falsely denies facts establishing his own guilt, or that of his co-defendants, he will expose himself to prosecution for perjury. Since any perjury will occur after the pardon was issued, the pardon will not protect him from prosecution for a new crime.
Moreover, accepting the pardon may prove financially costly for Bannon. By implicitly admitting his complicity in bilking Trump supporters who thought that they were helping to fund the border wall, Bannon’s acceptance of the pardon may be treated as a damning admission in lawsuits against him seeking to recoup the misdirected contributions. In addition, a presidential pardon only excuses federal crimes, but it does not protect Bannon from state prosecutors.
It is uncertain how the case against Bannon will proceed. He will either accept the pardon and live with the consequences of admitting his guilt, or go to trial and face the possibility of being convicted and going to prison. In either event, like anyone offered a pardon, he will not be able to maintain his claim of innocence unless he opts to stand trial rather than accept the pardon — and then only if a jury finds him “not guilty.” Trump’s offer of a pardon hardly wipes the slate clean.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
By Spencer S. Hsu
October 17, 2022 at 13:31 ET
Federal prosecutors urged a judge Monday to make former president Donald Trump’s political confidant Stephen K. Bannon the first person to be incarcerated for contempt of Congress in more than a half-century, recommending he serve six months in prison for refusing to cooperate with a House committee probing the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack.
They also sought to fine Bannon the maximum $200,000 allowed because he refused to cooperate with court officials’ routine presentencing investigation and divulge his financial records.
“The rioters who overran the Capitol on January 6 did not just attack a building — they assaulted the rule of law upon which this country was built and through which it endures. By flouting the Select Committee’s subpoena and its authority, the Defendant exacerbated that assault,” U.S. prosecutors J.P. Cooney and Amanda R. Vaughn wrote in a 24-page sentencing request. “Such behavior cannot be tolerated, lest it become commonplace and accepted, and the important work of congressional committees like the Select Committee rendered impossible.”
Bannon was convicted at trial in July by a federal jury in Washington on two misdemeanor counts — for refusing to provide either testimony or documents — each punishable by at least 30 days and up to one year in jail.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14