Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:


    25% of of the 3000 ads were not geo-targeted
    large number of ads were run in areas of the country that were not heavily contested

    Im supposed to believe that Trump was behind the Russia linked operatives that ran approximately 750 facebook ads in Michigan and Wisconsin and those ads swung those states to Trump?

    https://www.facebook.com/BarrierBreakers2016/

    http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000154-3082-d20b-a1fc-b3e3368b0000


    Who said you're supposed to believe that? The statement is crystal clear: "To protect the public, American people deserve to see @facebook ads, and how Russian intel services used social media to divide our country." Where do you see Trump's name, or even an insinuation (veiled or not) that Trump was responsible?

    It's very easy to see that the optimal election outcome for Russia was with Trump as President. Whether Russia decided to intervene on their own or on Trump's instruction (or suggestion, as it likely was), doesn't make an ounce of a difference. As I've said here before, Russia played smart by virtually interfering with this election (just as America does in typically more abrasive ways). It's not their fault that so many American people choose being proven right over being informed.
    It's very easy to see that the optimal election outcome for Russia was with Trump as President...how so?
    Trump's instruction (or suggestion, as it likely was)... how so?
    Trump's suggestion was actually publicly stated: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing". It is also somewhere between highly likely and certain based on the throngs of undisclosed connections to Russian-connected personnel which keep surfacing - but I know you only participate in the game of connect-the-dots when it's to do with the DNC (a party you say you don't even belong to but exclusively criticize).

    In terms of the talking points, Trump was overwhelmingly pro-Russian in his campaign. There are also documented financial dealings between Russia and Trump, his subsidiary organization, members of his administration his subsidiary organizations. Clinton has also been visibly at odds with Russian policy, and at personal odds with Putin.

    You have a bewildering way of ignoring inconvenient information.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbbdx/why-putin-hates-clinton-and-helped-trump-win
    http://time.com/4949414/hillary-clinton-vladimir-putin-manspreading/
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/from-reset-to-pause-the-real-story-behind-hillary-clintons-feud-with-vladimir-putin/2016/11/03/f575f9fa-a116-11e6-8832-23a007c77bb4_story.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/sep/19/hillary-clinton-on-trump-putin-i-ran-against-both-of-them-video
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-hillary-clinton-and-vladimir-putin-the-mistrust-is-mutual-1475055001
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/world/europe/putin-accuses-clinton-of-instigating-russian-protests.html
    Apparently Putin shared many of the same feelings about Hilliary as the more than 4 million voters that make a conscience decision not to vote for such a terrible corrupt weeble wobble of a candidate.
    I was under the impression that Putin was hacking our democracy over something more than a personal vendetta against Hill. I thought there was something more for Putin/Russia to gain. Maybe the gains at this point are unrealized, we'll see.
    Wait so all the investigations are done can you please post the results from all of them , thanks in advance since you are in the know how please enlighten us with the findings ...
    4 million voters plus Putin... where theres smoke theres fire!
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:


    25% of of the 3000 ads were not geo-targeted
    large number of ads were run in areas of the country that were not heavily contested

    Im supposed to believe that Trump was behind the Russia linked operatives that ran approximately 750 facebook ads in Michigan and Wisconsin and those ads swung those states to Trump?

    https://www.facebook.com/BarrierBreakers2016/

    http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000154-3082-d20b-a1fc-b3e3368b0000


    Who said you're supposed to believe that? The statement is crystal clear: "To protect the public, American people deserve to see @facebook ads, and how Russian intel services used social media to divide our country." Where do you see Trump's name, or even an insinuation (veiled or not) that Trump was responsible?

    It's very easy to see that the optimal election outcome for Russia was with Trump as President. Whether Russia decided to intervene on their own or on Trump's instruction (or suggestion, as it likely was), doesn't make an ounce of a difference. As I've said here before, Russia played smart by virtually interfering with this election (just as America does in typically more abrasive ways). It's not their fault that so many American people choose being proven right over being informed.
    It's very easy to see that the optimal election outcome for Russia was with Trump as President...how so?
    Trump's instruction (or suggestion, as it likely was)... how so?
    Trump's suggestion was actually publicly stated: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing". It is also somewhere between highly likely and certain based on the throngs of undisclosed connections to Russian-connected personnel which keep surfacing - but I know you only participate in the game of connect-the-dots when it's to do with the DNC (a party you say you don't even belong to but exclusively criticize).

    In terms of the talking points, Trump was overwhelmingly pro-Russian in his campaign. There are also documented financial dealings between Russia and Trump, his subsidiary organization, members of his administration his subsidiary organizations. Clinton has also been visibly at odds with Russian policy, and at personal odds with Putin.

    You have a bewildering way of ignoring inconvenient information.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbbdx/why-putin-hates-clinton-and-helped-trump-win
    http://time.com/4949414/hillary-clinton-vladimir-putin-manspreading/
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/from-reset-to-pause-the-real-story-behind-hillary-clintons-feud-with-vladimir-putin/2016/11/03/f575f9fa-a116-11e6-8832-23a007c77bb4_story.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/sep/19/hillary-clinton-on-trump-putin-i-ran-against-both-of-them-video
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-hillary-clinton-and-vladimir-putin-the-mistrust-is-mutual-1475055001
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/world/europe/putin-accuses-clinton-of-instigating-russian-protests.html
    Apparently Putin shared many of the same feelings about Hilliary as the more than 4 million voters that make a conscience decision not to vote for such a terrible corrupt weeble wobble of a candidate.
    I was under the impression that Putin was hacking our democracy over something more than a personal vendetta against Hill. I thought there was something more for Putin/Russia to gain. Maybe the gains at this point are unrealized, we'll see.
    You seem to forget the one republican platform plank that was altered, of 200+ planks. Care to guess which one it was? 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 6,895
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:
    benjs said:
    JC29856 said:


    25% of of the 3000 ads were not geo-targeted
    large number of ads were run in areas of the country that were not heavily contested

    Im supposed to believe that Trump was behind the Russia linked operatives that ran approximately 750 facebook ads in Michigan and Wisconsin and those ads swung those states to Trump?

    https://www.facebook.com/BarrierBreakers2016/

    http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000154-3082-d20b-a1fc-b3e3368b0000


    Who said you're supposed to believe that? The statement is crystal clear: "To protect the public, American people deserve to see @facebook ads, and how Russian intel services used social media to divide our country." Where do you see Trump's name, or even an insinuation (veiled or not) that Trump was responsible?

    It's very easy to see that the optimal election outcome for Russia was with Trump as President. Whether Russia decided to intervene on their own or on Trump's instruction (or suggestion, as it likely was), doesn't make an ounce of a difference. As I've said here before, Russia played smart by virtually interfering with this election (just as America does in typically more abrasive ways). It's not their fault that so many American people choose being proven right over being informed.
    It's very easy to see that the optimal election outcome for Russia was with Trump as President...how so?
    Trump's instruction (or suggestion, as it likely was)... how so?
    Trump's suggestion was actually publicly stated: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing". It is also somewhere between highly likely and certain based on the throngs of undisclosed connections to Russian-connected personnel which keep surfacing - but I know you only participate in the game of connect-the-dots when it's to do with the DNC (a party you say you don't even belong to but exclusively criticize).

    In terms of the talking points, Trump was overwhelmingly pro-Russian in his campaign. There are also documented financial dealings between Russia and Trump, his subsidiary organization, members of his administration his subsidiary organizations. Clinton has also been visibly at odds with Russian policy, and at personal odds with Putin.

    You have a bewildering way of ignoring inconvenient information.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbbdx/why-putin-hates-clinton-and-helped-trump-win
    http://time.com/4949414/hillary-clinton-vladimir-putin-manspreading/
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/from-reset-to-pause-the-real-story-behind-hillary-clintons-feud-with-vladimir-putin/2016/11/03/f575f9fa-a116-11e6-8832-23a007c77bb4_story.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/sep/19/hillary-clinton-on-trump-putin-i-ran-against-both-of-them-video
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-hillary-clinton-and-vladimir-putin-the-mistrust-is-mutual-1475055001
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/world/europe/putin-accuses-clinton-of-instigating-russian-protests.html
    Apparently Putin shared many of the same feelings about Hilliary as the more than 4 million voters that make a conscience decision not to vote for such a terrible corrupt weeble wobble of a candidate.
    I was under the impression that Putin was hacking our democracy over something more than a personal vendetta against Hill. I thought there was something more for Putin/Russia to gain. Maybe the gains at this point are unrealized, we'll see.
    Wait so all the investigations are done can you please post the results from all of them , thanks in advance since you are in the know how please enlighten us with the findings ...
    4 million voters plus Putin... where theres smoke theres fire!
    Can you remind me what the 4 million number you're throwing around is again? And can you then explain to me why these 4 million people indicate a trend in a greater way than the popular vote victory of 3 million?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555796348/sen-amy-klobuchar-on-social-media-political-ad-disclosure

    Lawmakers are pushing for new legislation that would require greater disclosure of political ads that run on social media. Sen. Amy Klobuchar is the co-author and talks with NPR's David Greene.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 6,895
    edited October 5
    JC29856 said:
    http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555796348/sen-amy-klobuchar-on-social-media-political-ad-disclosure

    Lawmakers are pushing for new legislation that would require greater disclosure of political ads that run on social media. Sen. Amy Klobuchar is the co-author and talks with NPR's David Greene.
    Like putting make-up on a pig.

    This population needs to learn to think; for all attempts to create transparency, those with power will find new and innovative ways to obfuscate truths. If a population generally lacks the abilities to think critically, these positive attempts to usher in transparency are all for naught.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    Aiding and abetting. 7Xs. 3D d'ing. Must be some breaking Mueller investigation news.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 5,198

    Organizers behind armed white supremacist protest in Houston revealed as Russian

    "It really gives an indication of the extent to which there must be a major Russian apparatus."



    https://thinkprogress.org/armed-white-supremacist-protest-organized-by-russians-d730f83ca275/
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    Every failed election bid from a Democrat from now until kingdom come will be blamed on Russia

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/11/senate-democrats-worry-russia-could-jeopardize-reelection-bids-243645?lo=ap_c1

    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:
    Every failed election bid from a Democrat from now until kingdom come will be blamed on Russia

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/11/senate-democrats-worry-russia-could-jeopardize-reelection-bids-243645?lo=ap_c1

    Why do you think that shouldn't be a serious concern?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:
    Every failed election bid from a Democrat from now until kingdom come will be blamed on Russia

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/11/senate-democrats-worry-russia-could-jeopardize-reelection-bids-243645?lo=ap_c1

    An unhinged, irrational occupant of the Oval Office with his crazy alt-right minions doesn't benefit Putin, Putin, Putin?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:
    Every failed election bid from a Democrat from now until kingdom come will be blamed on Russia

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/11/senate-democrats-worry-russia-could-jeopardize-reelection-bids-243645?lo=ap_c1

    "Knowingly, willingly or duped?" Which were you?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 5,198

    Manafort Had $60 Million Relationship With a Russian Oligarch


    Paul Manafort, a former campaign manager for President Donald Trump, has much stronger financial ties to a Russian oligarch than have been previously reported.


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/manafort-had-60m-relationship-russian-oligarch-n810541
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    dignin said:

    Manafort Had $60 Million Relationship With a Russian Oligarch


    Paul Manafort, a former campaign manager for President Donald Trump, has much stronger financial ties to a Russian oligarch than have been previously reported.


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/manafort-had-60m-relationship-russian-oligarch-n810541
    Follow the money, from Russia and their Ukraine proxy with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment. Gee, do you think any of that $60MM made it to Reince's soft, chubby, pink fingers? 7Xs.
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    3D why you not D'ing? But Obama! But Hillary! But Wassarman Schultz! But the DNC! But Bernie, Bernie, Bernie! But Benghazi! But, but, but................Brilliance.
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    Before the Trump administration approved a controversial deal giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.


    Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.


    “The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Trump administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:
    Before the Trump administration approved a controversial deal giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.


    Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.


    “The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Trump administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

    I thought it was Hillary who approved the uranium deal in exchange for large donations made to the CGF? Got “aired” or was shared with the Colluder-in-Chief? Seems we have a quid pro quo?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    JC29856 said:
    Before the Trump administration approved a controversial deal giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.


    Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.


    “The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Trump administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

    I thought it was Hillary who approved the uranium deal in exchange for large donations made to the CGF? Got “aired” or was shared with the Colluder-in-Chief? Seems we have a quid pro quo?
    unsure...

    They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

    That’s when conservative author Peter Schweitzer and The New York Times documented how Bill Clinton collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in Russian speaking fees and his charitable foundation collected millions in donations from parties interested in the deal while Hillary Clinton presided on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    JC29856 said:
    Before the Trump administration approved a controversial deal giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.


    Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.


    “The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Trump administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

    I thought it was Hillary who approved the uranium deal in exchange for large donations made to the CGF? Got “aired” or was shared with the Colluder-in-Chief? Seems we have a quid pro quo?
    unclear as to exactly what happened

    Then-Attorney General Eric Holder was among the Obama administration officials joining Hillary Clinton on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States at the time the Uranium One deal was approved. Multiple current and former government officials told The Hill they did not know whether the FBI or DOJ ever alerted committee members to the criminal activity they uncovered.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Before the Trump administration approved a controversial deal giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.


    Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.


    “The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Trump administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

    I thought it was Hillary who approved the uranium deal in exchange for large donations made to the CGF? Got “aired” or was shared with the Colluder-in-Chief? Seems we have a quid pro quo?
    unsure...

    They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

    That’s when conservative author Peter Schweitzer and The New York Times documented how Bill Clinton collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in Russian speaking fees and his charitable foundation collected millions in donations from parties interested in the deal while Hillary Clinton presided on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.
    Who are “they” and what “documents?” I’m sure the republican controlled congress will begin an investigation and hold hearings, right?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Before the Trump administration approved a controversial deal giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.


    Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.


    “The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Trump administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

    I thought it was Hillary who approved the uranium deal in exchange for large donations made to the CGF? Got “aired” or was shared with the Colluder-in-Chief? Seems we have a quid pro quo?
    unsure...

    They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

    That’s when conservative author Peter Schweitzer and The New York Times documented how Bill Clinton collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in Russian speaking fees and his charitable foundation collected millions in donations from parties interested in the deal while Hillary Clinton presided on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.
    Who are “they” and what “documents?” I’m sure the republican controlled congress will begin an investigation and hold hearings, right?
    unsure about the they and docs, no hearings-no intent!
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Before the Trump administration approved a controversial deal giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.


    Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.


    “The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Trump administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

    I thought it was Hillary who approved the uranium deal in exchange for large donations made to the CGF? Got “aired” or was shared with the Colluder-in-Chief? Seems we have a quid pro quo?
    unsure...

    They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

    That’s when conservative author Peter Schweitzer and The New York Times documented how Bill Clinton collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in Russian speaking fees and his charitable foundation collected millions in donations from parties interested in the deal while Hillary Clinton presided on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.
    Who are “they” and what “documents?” I’m sure the republican controlled congress will begin an investigation and hold hearings, right?
    unsure about the they and docs, no hearings-no intent!
    If as nefarious as you seem to be claiming, why not hearings to remove the focus on your hero Trump? 
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,201
    follow the money

  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349

    vaggar99 said:
    follow the money

    Those are certainly clear cut examples of Trump/Putin collusion. Im not sure what Mueller is doing all this time?

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE38943_a.html
     
    Classified By: EUR/FO: ACTING DAS ANITA FRIEDT E.O. 12958: REASONS 1.4 (B), (D), and (F). 1. (S) This is an action request for Embassy Moscow regarding the delivery by FBI Director Mueller of a requested sample of seized highly-enriched uranium (HEU) to appropriate Russian authorities. Please see para 3. Embassy Tbilisi see para 5. 2. (S) Background: Over two years ago Russia requested a ten-gram sample of HEU seized in early 2006 in Georgia during a nuclear smuggling sting operation involving one Russian national and several Georgian accomplices. The seized HEU has been under U.S. custody and is being held at a secure DOE facility. In response to a 2007 Russian request, the Georgian Government authorized the United States to share a sample of the material with the Russians for forensic analysis. FBI Mueller's trip to Moscow on April 27 provides an opportunity to deliver the requested ten grams from the seized HEU in order to obtain cooperation from the GOR on this nuclear smuggling case and to eventually establish a more productive mechanism of U.S.-Russian cooperation on nuclear forensics. (S//NF) While there was a reasonable exchange of information with Russian security services at the time of the seizure, we have had poor cooperation investigating the diversion of HEU, which the United States believes was stolen from a Russian facility. Russia did not respond to papers that former Acting U/S Rood provided his counterpart in December 2008 reiterating the USG position that Russia should pick up this sample in the United States. Further, when asked for an update on their response to our proposal, DFM Ryabkov told us recently in Washington that there was an interagency dispute over who would come and pick up the material. Given Russia's reluctance to act so far, FBI Mueller's delivery of this sample will underscore to Russia our commitment to follow through on this case. While some details may be too sensitive to discuss, delivery of the sample could enable us to discuss whether Russian authorities investigated the diversion and prosecuted anyone. Moreover, we hope it will spark discussions on mechanisms to exchange information and material on future incidents. 3. (S) Background continued: On April 16, the FSB verbally confirmed to Legatt that there will be no problem with the Russian Ministry of Aviation concerning Mueller's flight (although we probably won't see paperwork until shortly before the trip). The FBI is requiring that the sample be turned over to a Russian law enforcement authority (i.e., FSB) as opposed to an intelligence service (i.e., SVR) or technical authority (i.e., Rosatom). A representative from the responsible Russian Law Enforcement authority, who will accept custody of the sample, must be identified and verified ahead of time. That individual will be required to have signatory authority to accept the sample. Appropriate arrangements need to be made to ensure the transfer of material is conducted at the airport, plane-side, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. Post should also remind the GOR that this is the material about which the GOR gave the USG nonproliferation assurances in 2008 (ref) in a diplomatic note from February 2008. 3. (S) Embassy Moscow is requested to alert as soon as possible and at the highest appropriate level the Russian Federation that FBI Director Mueller plans to deliver the HEU material once he arrives to Moscow on April 27. Post is requested to convey information with regard to chain of custody, and to request details on Russian Federation's plan for picking up the material. 4. (SBU) Post is requested to draw from background above and the following talking points: --We wish to inform you that FBI Director Mueller plans to arrive in Moscow at approximately 10 pm local time on April 27 with a ten-gram sample of seized HEU, which you requested for nuclear forensics analysis. --We require confirmation that a representative from a responsible Russian law enforcement authority will be available to accept custody of the sample and have signatory authority to accept the sample. --We require that the transfer of this material be conducted at the airport, on the tarmac near by the plane, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. --We place a high priority on completion of this sample transfer to facilitate your forensic analysis of the material. --Further, with the delivery of this sample, we hope to collaborate more closely on promoting a more effective relationship between our law enforcement organizations to counter illicit trafficking of nuclear materials. --Efforts to work closely on nuclear smuggling and forensics will help advance the goals outlined in our presidents' recent joint statement in London of securing vulnerable nuclear materials and improving nuclear security. --Moreover, it is our hope to eventually establish a more systematic mechanism to facilitate U.S.-Russian cooperation on investigations into nuclear smuggling cases. We continue to believe that Russia should be concerned by the prospect that HEU was diverted from one of its facilities, and should actively investigate the incident. 5. For Embassy Tbilisi: No action is required at this point. At the appropriate time, State will send instructions on alerting the Georgian Government that the transfer of the seized HEU has taken place and is in Russian custody. 6. (U) Department thanks Post for its assistance. Washington point of contacts are Mike Curry, ISN/WMDT, 202-736-7692 (CurryMR@state.sgov.gov) and Nate Young, EUR/PRA, 202-647-7278 (YoungNH@state.sgov.gov). Please slug all responses for EUR, ISN/WMDT, and T. CLINTON

    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:

    vaggar99 said:
    follow the money

    Those are certainly clear cut examples of Trump/Putin collusion. Im not sure what Mueller is doing all this time?

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE38943_a.html
     
    Classified By: EUR/FO: ACTING DAS ANITA FRIEDT E.O. 12958: REASONS 1.4 (B), (D), and (F). 1. (S) This is an action request for Embassy Moscow regarding the delivery by FBI Director Mueller of a requested sample of seized highly-enriched uranium (HEU) to appropriate Russian authorities. Please see para 3. Embassy Tbilisi see para 5. 2. (S) Background: Over two years ago Russia requested a ten-gram sample of HEU seized in early 2006 in Georgia during a nuclear smuggling sting operation involving one Russian national and several Georgian accomplices. The seized HEU has been under U.S. custody and is being held at a secure DOE facility. In response to a 2007 Russian request, the Georgian Government authorized the United States to share a sample of the material with the Russians for forensic analysis. FBI Mueller's trip to Moscow on April 27 provides an opportunity to deliver the requested ten grams from the seized HEU in order to obtain cooperation from the GOR on this nuclear smuggling case and to eventually establish a more productive mechanism of U.S.-Russian cooperation on nuclear forensics. (S//NF) While there was a reasonable exchange of information with Russian security services at the time of the seizure, we have had poor cooperation investigating the diversion of HEU, which the United States believes was stolen from a Russian facility. Russia did not respond to papers that former Acting U/S Rood provided his counterpart in December 2008 reiterating the USG position that Russia should pick up this sample in the United States. Further, when asked for an update on their response to our proposal, DFM Ryabkov told us recently in Washington that there was an interagency dispute over who would come and pick up the material. Given Russia's reluctance to act so far, FBI Mueller's delivery of this sample will underscore to Russia our commitment to follow through on this case. While some details may be too sensitive to discuss, delivery of the sample could enable us to discuss whether Russian authorities investigated the diversion and prosecuted anyone. Moreover, we hope it will spark discussions on mechanisms to exchange information and material on future incidents. 3. (S) Background continued: On April 16, the FSB verbally confirmed to Legatt that there will be no problem with the Russian Ministry of Aviation concerning Mueller's flight (although we probably won't see paperwork until shortly before the trip). The FBI is requiring that the sample be turned over to a Russian law enforcement authority (i.e., FSB) as opposed to an intelligence service (i.e., SVR) or technical authority (i.e., Rosatom). A representative from the responsible Russian Law Enforcement authority, who will accept custody of the sample, must be identified and verified ahead of time. That individual will be required to have signatory authority to accept the sample. Appropriate arrangements need to be made to ensure the transfer of material is conducted at the airport, plane-side, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. Post should also remind the GOR that this is the material about which the GOR gave the USG nonproliferation assurances in 2008 (ref) in a diplomatic note from February 2008. 3. (S) Embassy Moscow is requested to alert as soon as possible and at the highest appropriate level the Russian Federation that FBI Director Mueller plans to deliver the HEU material once he arrives to Moscow on April 27. Post is requested to convey information with regard to chain of custody, and to request details on Russian Federation's plan for picking up the material. 4. (SBU) Post is requested to draw from background above and the following talking points: --We wish to inform you that FBI Director Mueller plans to arrive in Moscow at approximately 10 pm local time on April 27 with a ten-gram sample of seized HEU, which you requested for nuclear forensics analysis. --We require confirmation that a representative from a responsible Russian law enforcement authority will be available to accept custody of the sample and have signatory authority to accept the sample. --We require that the transfer of this material be conducted at the airport, on the tarmac near by the plane, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. --We place a high priority on completion of this sample transfer to facilitate your forensic analysis of the material. --Further, with the delivery of this sample, we hope to collaborate more closely on promoting a more effective relationship between our law enforcement organizations to counter illicit trafficking of nuclear materials. --Efforts to work closely on nuclear smuggling and forensics will help advance the goals outlined in our presidents' recent joint statement in London of securing vulnerable nuclear materials and improving nuclear security. --Moreover, it is our hope to eventually establish a more systematic mechanism to facilitate U.S.-Russian cooperation on investigations into nuclear smuggling cases. We continue to believe that Russia should be concerned by the prospect that HEU was diverted from one of its facilities, and should actively investigate the incident. 5. For Embassy Tbilisi: No action is required at this point. At the appropriate time, State will send instructions on alerting the Georgian Government that the transfer of the seized HEU has taken place and is in Russian custody. 6. (U) Department thanks Post for its assistance. Washington point of contacts are Mike Curry, ISN/WMDT, 202-736-7692 (CurryMR@state.sgov.gov) and Nate Young, EUR/PRA, 202-647-7278 (YoungNH@state.sgov.gov). Please slug all responses for EUR, ISN/WMDT, and T. CLINTON

    Connecting dots, silly. Seems the Bush admin dropped the ball again.
     
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    JC29856 said:

    vaggar99 said:
    follow the money

    Those are certainly clear cut examples of Trump/Putin collusion. Im not sure what Mueller is doing all this time?

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE38943_a.html
     
    Classified By: EUR/FO: ACTING DAS ANITA FRIEDT E.O. 12958: REASONS 1.4 (B), (D), and (F). 1. (S) This is an action request for Embassy Moscow regarding the delivery by FBI Director Mueller of a requested sample of seized highly-enriched uranium (HEU) to appropriate Russian authorities. Please see para 3. Embassy Tbilisi see para 5. 2. (S) Background: Over two years ago Russia requested a ten-gram sample of HEU seized in early 2006 in Georgia during a nuclear smuggling sting operation involving one Russian national and several Georgian accomplices. The seized HEU has been under U.S. custody and is being held at a secure DOE facility. In response to a 2007 Russian request, the Georgian Government authorized the United States to share a sample of the material with the Russians for forensic analysis. FBI Mueller's trip to Moscow on April 27 provides an opportunity to deliver the requested ten grams from the seized HEU in order to obtain cooperation from the GOR on this nuclear smuggling case and to eventually establish a more productive mechanism of U.S.-Russian cooperation on nuclear forensics. (S//NF) While there was a reasonable exchange of information with Russian security services at the time of the seizure, we have had poor cooperation investigating the diversion of HEU, which the United States believes was stolen from a Russian facility. Russia did not respond to papers that former Acting U/S Rood provided his counterpart in December 2008 reiterating the USG position that Russia should pick up this sample in the United States. Further, when asked for an update on their response to our proposal, DFM Ryabkov told us recently in Washington that there was an interagency dispute over who would come and pick up the material. Given Russia's reluctance to act so far, FBI Mueller's delivery of this sample will underscore to Russia our commitment to follow through on this case. While some details may be too sensitive to discuss, delivery of the sample could enable us to discuss whether Russian authorities investigated the diversion and prosecuted anyone. Moreover, we hope it will spark discussions on mechanisms to exchange information and material on future incidents. 3. (S) Background continued: On April 16, the FSB verbally confirmed to Legatt that there will be no problem with the Russian Ministry of Aviation concerning Mueller's flight (although we probably won't see paperwork until shortly before the trip). The FBI is requiring that the sample be turned over to a Russian law enforcement authority (i.e., FSB) as opposed to an intelligence service (i.e., SVR) or technical authority (i.e., Rosatom). A representative from the responsible Russian Law Enforcement authority, who will accept custody of the sample, must be identified and verified ahead of time. That individual will be required to have signatory authority to accept the sample. Appropriate arrangements need to be made to ensure the transfer of material is conducted at the airport, plane-side, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. Post should also remind the GOR that this is the material about which the GOR gave the USG nonproliferation assurances in 2008 (ref) in a diplomatic note from February 2008. 3. (S) Embassy Moscow is requested to alert as soon as possible and at the highest appropriate level the Russian Federation that FBI Director Mueller plans to deliver the HEU material once he arrives to Moscow on April 27. Post is requested to convey information with regard to chain of custody, and to request details on Russian Federation's plan for picking up the material. 4. (SBU) Post is requested to draw from background above and the following talking points: --We wish to inform you that FBI Director Mueller plans to arrive in Moscow at approximately 10 pm local time on April 27 with a ten-gram sample of seized HEU, which you requested for nuclear forensics analysis. --We require confirmation that a representative from a responsible Russian law enforcement authority will be available to accept custody of the sample and have signatory authority to accept the sample. --We require that the transfer of this material be conducted at the airport, on the tarmac near by the plane, upon arrival of the Director's aircraft. --We place a high priority on completion of this sample transfer to facilitate your forensic analysis of the material. --Further, with the delivery of this sample, we hope to collaborate more closely on promoting a more effective relationship between our law enforcement organizations to counter illicit trafficking of nuclear materials. --Efforts to work closely on nuclear smuggling and forensics will help advance the goals outlined in our presidents' recent joint statement in London of securing vulnerable nuclear materials and improving nuclear security. --Moreover, it is our hope to eventually establish a more systematic mechanism to facilitate U.S.-Russian cooperation on investigations into nuclear smuggling cases. We continue to believe that Russia should be concerned by the prospect that HEU was diverted from one of its facilities, and should actively investigate the incident. 5. For Embassy Tbilisi: No action is required at this point. At the appropriate time, State will send instructions on alerting the Georgian Government that the transfer of the seized HEU has taken place and is in Russian custody. 6. (U) Department thanks Post for its assistance. Washington point of contacts are Mike Curry, ISN/WMDT, 202-736-7692 (CurryMR@state.sgov.gov) and Nate Young, EUR/PRA, 202-647-7278 (YoungNH@state.sgov.gov). Please slug all responses for EUR, ISN/WMDT, and T. CLINTON

    3D, D’ing with ooooooo nefariousness. This was reported in the NYT back in the day. Seems Asstrange wants attention. Or 3D is doing what 3D does best, D’ing.
     
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,966
    Yuck, yuck, yuck, hee haw, add Tennessee to the list of easily duped colluding good ‘ol boy network. Putin’s west ossasia smokey Mountains delivered. Stupid is as stupid does. And the south shall rise again?
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