Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,648
    And if Stone thinks this is how WWI started,  he's much stupider than the intelligence agencies towards which he points his dumbass finger. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 20,948
    mrussel1 said:
    And if Stone thinks this is how WWI started,  he's much stupider than the intelligence agencies towards which he points his dumbass finger. 
    Well, Ed did say "It's Stones Fault".
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    A well deserved vacation, I guess. And who the fuck takes a 17 day vacation to a NJ golf club? Oh yea, right. 755.

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    I'm inclined to believe that Putin knows what happens to leaders that challenge the US dollar.

    http://theantimedia.org/russia-us-sanctions-dumping-dollar/amp/

    “We will of course intensify work related to import substitution, reduction of dependence on U.S. payment systems, on the dollar as a settling currency and so on. It is becoming a vital need,” said Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov on Monday, as cited by RIA.

    “(Otherwise) we will always sit on their hook, exactly what they need,” 

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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 2,795
    This ex CIA isn't so sure collusion exists. I agree with some of what he says. I don't think Trump was an active participant, more of a pawn. I still highly doubt there is a ptape.

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/08/542106975/cover-lifted-a-cia-spy-offers-his-take-on-trump-and-russia
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    edited August 9
    mrussel1 said:
    Why else all of the recent hyperactivity of 3D? The circle is getting closer and closer to that big, fat, orange dot.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    vaggar99 said:
    bbbbbbbbbbut.....her emails! Benghazi! Fast and Furious!
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/08/09/judge-orders-searches-for-clinton-benghazi-emails-241470

    once you blow a gazillion dollars on a failed election all your past transgressions are absolved

    Nine months after the presidential election was decided, a federal judge is ordering the State Department to try again to find emails Hillary Clinton wrote about the Benghazi attack.

    U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta ruled that the State Department had not done enough to try to track down messages Clinton may have sent about the assault on the U.S. diplomatic compound on Sept. 11, 2012 — an attack that killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya.

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    chompsky has news for us Americans, we were laughed at and ridiculed long before trump took office

    Chomsky, the author of more than 100 books, said, "It’s a pretty remarkable fact that -- first of all, it is a joke. Half the world is cracking up in laughter. The United States doesn’t just interfere in elections. It overthrows governments it doesn’t like, institutes military dictatorships."

    "Simply in the case of Russia alone—it’s the least of it—the U.S. government, under Clinton, intervened quite blatantly and openly, then tried to conceal it, to get their man Yeltsin in, in all sorts of ways," said Chomsky.  "So, this, as I say, it’s considered—it’s turning the United States, again, into a laughingstock in the world."

    “So why are the Democrats focusing on this?" he said. "In fact, why are they focusing so much attention on the one element of Trump’s programs which is fairly reasonable, the one ray of light in this gloom: trying to reduce tensions with Russia? That’s—the tensions on the Russian border are extremely serious. They could escalate to a major terminal war. Efforts to try to reduce them should be welcomed."

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    JC29856 said:
    chompsky has news for us Americans, we were laughed at and ridiculed long before trump took office

    Chomsky, the author of more than 100 books, said, "It’s a pretty remarkable fact that -- first of all, it is a joke. Half the world is cracking up in laughter. The United States doesn’t just interfere in elections. It overthrows governments it doesn’t like, institutes military dictatorships."

    "Simply in the case of Russia alone—it’s the least of it—the U.S. government, under Clinton, intervened quite blatantly and openly, then tried to conceal it, to get their man Yeltsin in, in all sorts of ways," said Chomsky.  "So, this, as I say, it’s considered—it’s turning the United States, again, into a laughingstock in the world."

    “So why are the Democrats focusing on this?" he said. "In fact, why are they focusing so much attention on the one element of Trump’s programs which is fairly reasonable, the one ray of light in this gloom: trying to reduce tensions with Russia? That’s—the tensions on the Russian border are extremely serious. They could escalate to a major terminal war. Efforts to try to reduce them should be welcomed."

    Uh, it was a republican congress that passed the sanctions bill. Why no hate for republicans?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    Wasn't it a republican that said, "we're all crimeans now?"
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 37,148
    edited August 10
    Kelly Ann looks worn and exhausted, as well as shrill. That she represents the White House? We deserve everything that happens to us. I particularly like how she looks off camera for the unrelated topic of the day to change the narrative. I wonder if it's Spicey or Rove she turns her lonely eyes toward?
    Am I the only one who has noticed this? Uncanny.
     



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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    traction

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2017-08-10/why-some-u-s-ex-spies-don-t-buy-the-russia-story

    In 2003, when a number of former intelligence professionals formed a group to protest the way intelligence was bent to accuse Iraq of producing weapons of mass destruction, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof wrote a sympathetic column quoting the group's members. In 2017, you won't read about this same group's latest campaign in the big U.S. newspapers.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349

    One curious thing throughout this anti-Russia hysteria is the use of the word “fact.” American politicians and media emphatically pound into the public the FACT that Russian meddled in the American elections. Facts are interesting critters, aren’t they? The last time I checked, they are always accompanied by evidence, so it’s curious that one often hears the word “fact” but rarely hears anything about “evidence,” and the corporate media rarely even questions these so-called “facts” to ask for evidence. You’d think it would be common sense to merely ask for the evidence to support the facts, and the rare occasion a reporter does naively stumble upon this question, the answer is always the same: “Yes, we have evidence, but it’s ‘classified.’” How many times have you heard that song and dance? It seems to me that “classified” has become just another form of censorship; in reality, the American people and the world at large are on a “need to know” basis. Big Brother tells us what they want us to know, faithfully echoed in the lapdog media, and what they don’t want us to know is “classified.”  How convenient in the land of a “free” democratic society.


    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/10/the-american-anti-russia-hysteria-and-sanctions-bill/

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    JC29856 said:

    One curious thing throughout this anti-Russia hysteria is the use of the word “fact.” American politicians and media emphatically pound into the public the FACT that Russian meddled in the American elections. Facts are interesting critters, aren’t they? The last time I checked, they are always accompanied by evidence, so it’s curious that one often hears the word “fact” but rarely hears anything about “evidence,” and the corporate media rarely even questions these so-called “facts” to ask for evidence. You’d think it would be common sense to merely ask for the evidence to support the facts, and the rare occasion a reporter does naively stumble upon this question, the answer is always the same: “Yes, we have evidence, but it’s ‘classified.’” How many times have you heard that song and dance? It seems to me that “classified” has become just another form of censorship; in reality, the American people and the world at large are on a “need to know” basis. Big Brother tells us what they want us to know, faithfully echoed in the lapdog media, and what they don’t want us to know is “classified.”  How convenient in the land of a “free” democratic society.


    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/10/the-american-anti-russia-hysteria-and-sanctions-bill/

    Fact: Mueller's investigation is proceeding. Fact, Trump is ratcheting up the bellicose language regarding NK. Fact, 755 US diplomats are expelled from Russia and Trump has not made any public statements nor comments. Fact, 3D is busy.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    And I guess the Republican controlled congress and members of the various investigative committees are hysterics?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,648
    JC29856 said:

    One curious thing throughout this anti-Russia hysteria is the use of the word “fact.” American politicians and media emphatically pound into the public the FACT that Russian meddled in the American elections. Facts are interesting critters, aren’t they? The last time I checked, they are always accompanied by evidence, so it’s curious that one often hears the word “fact” but rarely hears anything about “evidence,” and the corporate media rarely even questions these so-called “facts” to ask for evidence. You’d think it would be common sense to merely ask for the evidence to support the facts, and the rare occasion a reporter does naively stumble upon this question, the answer is always the same: “Yes, we have evidence, but it’s ‘classified.’” How many times have you heard that song and dance? It seems to me that “classified” has become just another form of censorship; in reality, the American people and the world at large are on a “need to know” basis. Big Brother tells us what they want us to know, faithfully echoed in the lapdog media, and what they don’t want us to know is “classified.”  How convenient in the land of a “free” democratic society.


    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/10/the-american-anti-russia-hysteria-and-sanctions-bill/

    Fact, Adam Schiff, Mark Warner and the rest of the Democratic leadership, Obama, Obama's security team and all national security persons with access to the top secret data are all on the same page.  Just because your ass hasn't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Because it's top secret, you can either choose to believe the evidence exists by believing the leaders you think are trustworthy, or you can disbelief because you think Trump and his family of cronies are trustworthy.  Until it's de-classified, these are your choices.  No matter how many posts you write or articles you read that say the same thing, it's still classified.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    Oh Jared dear boy? Oh Jared? Since you've done such a bang up job on that Mid East peace, take the jet over to Korea and talk some sense into that little short fella, would you please Jared dear boy? But don't take the big jet, that's daddy's.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,648
    And what has been the result so far of all this fake news, as declared by you and your fellow Trump minions?  Is there a war?  No.  Is there an investigation?  Yes.  Is there a grand jury and search warrant?  Yes.  So not only has the security professionals seen something, but now a jury of citizens have seen something too, and a judge.  So in the scale of people who know what the fuck they're talking about and in the know, you're pretty low on the list.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    mrussel1 said:
    And what has been the result so far of all this fake news, as declared by you and your fellow Trump minions?  Is there a war?  No.  Is there an investigation?  Yes.  Is there a grand jury and search warrant?  Yes.  So not only has the security professionals seen something, but now a jury of citizens have seen something too, and a judge.  So in the scale of people who know what the fuck they're talking about and in the know, you're pretty low on the list.  
    Don't forget Polish, Swedish and British intelligence services who brought said intelligence regarding Trump to the US' attention. Maybe it's just another slice of the New World? Order up!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,648
    mrussel1 said:
    And what has been the result so far of all this fake news, as declared by you and your fellow Trump minions?  Is there a war?  No.  Is there an investigation?  Yes.  Is there a grand jury and search warrant?  Yes.  So not only has the security professionals seen something, but now a jury of citizens have seen something too, and a judge.  So in the scale of people who know what the fuck they're talking about and in the know, you're pretty low on the list.  
    Don't forget Polish, Swedish and British intelligence services who brought said intelligence regarding Trump to the US' attention. Maybe it's just another slice of the New World? Order up!
    Nicely done. 
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,349
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:

    One curious thing throughout this anti-Russia hysteria is the use of the word “fact.” American politicians and media emphatically pound into the public the FACT that Russian meddled in the American elections. Facts are interesting critters, aren’t they? The last time I checked, they are always accompanied by evidence, so it’s curious that one often hears the word “fact” but rarely hears anything about “evidence,” and the corporate media rarely even questions these so-called “facts” to ask for evidence. You’d think it would be common sense to merely ask for the evidence to support the facts, and the rare occasion a reporter does naively stumble upon this question, the answer is always the same: “Yes, we have evidence, but it’s ‘classified.’” How many times have you heard that song and dance? It seems to me that “classified” has become just another form of censorship; in reality, the American people and the world at large are on a “need to know” basis. Big Brother tells us what they want us to know, faithfully echoed in the lapdog media, and what they don’t want us to know is “classified.”  How convenient in the land of a “free” democratic society.


    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/10/the-american-anti-russia-hysteria-and-sanctions-bill/

    Fact, Adam Schiff, Mark Warner and the rest of the Democratic leadership, Obama, Obama's security team and all national security persons with access to the top secret data are all on the same page.  Just because your ass hasn't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Because it's top secret, you can either choose to believe the evidence exists by believing the leaders you think are trustworthy, or you can disbelief because you think Trump and his family of cronies are trustworthy.  Until it's de-classified, these are your choices.  No matter how many posts you write or articles you read that say the same thing, it's still classified.  
    didn't every member privy to the intelligence say their is no evidence of Trump Russia collusion?
    that includes those you named.
    anyway, the point is there has been zero evidence put forth that Russia meddled in the election. zero
    If I missed it then educate me.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,648
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    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:

    One curious thing throughout this anti-Russia hysteria is the use of the word “fact.” American politicians and media emphatically pound into the public the FACT that Russian meddled in the American elections. Facts are interesting critters, aren’t they? The last time I checked, they are always accompanied by evidence, so it’s curious that one often hears the word “fact” but rarely hears anything about “evidence,” and the corporate media rarely even questions these so-called “facts” to ask for evidence. You’d think it would be common sense to merely ask for the evidence to support the facts, and the rare occasion a reporter does naively stumble upon this question, the answer is always the same: “Yes, we have evidence, but it’s ‘classified.’” How many times have you heard that song and dance? It seems to me that “classified” has become just another form of censorship; in reality, the American people and the world at large are on a “need to know” basis. Big Brother tells us what they want us to know, faithfully echoed in the lapdog media, and what they don’t want us to know is “classified.”  How convenient in the land of a “free” democratic society.


    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/10/the-american-anti-russia-hysteria-and-sanctions-bill/

    Fact, Adam Schiff, Mark Warner and the rest of the Democratic leadership, Obama, Obama's security team and all national security persons with access to the top secret data are all on the same page.  Just because your ass hasn't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Because it's top secret, you can either choose to believe the evidence exists by believing the leaders you think are trustworthy, or you can disbelief because you think Trump and his family of cronies are trustworthy.  Until it's de-classified, these are your choices.  No matter how many posts you write or articles you read that say the same thing, it's still classified.  
    didn't every member privy to the intelligence say their is no evidence of Trump Russia collusion?
    that includes those you named.
    anyway, the point is there has been zero evidence put forth that Russia meddled in the election. zero
    If I missed it then educate me.
    The stories you've been posting aren't about Trump, rather about whether Russia interfered.  Those are two different angles.  Second, no one is saying that now that the DTJ email was released.  So... that's why we don't start and end investigations on teh same day.  They actually take time.  
    To your last point, you obviously are not digesting what I wrote.  There hasn't been any PUBLIC evidence.  But all of the committees, Obama team, national security people from both administrations have a decidedly different conclusion than you.  But I get it, you read a lot of articles on counterpunch, RT and Sputnik.  They only see classified information.  You're a leninist.  Bannon is a leninst.  They aren't.  I'll go with them.  
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,373
    Stop what you're doing and find Trump's comments about the Russian expulsion of diplomats. I read the text where he thanked Putin and reserved judgement until I saw video because I thought it was sarcastic...nope. Good grief. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,973
    Stop what you're doing and find Trump's comments about the Russian expulsion of diplomats. I read the text where he thanked Putin and reserved judgement until I saw video because I thought it was sarcastic...nope. Good grief. 
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    So this vacuum swell of 755 expulsed diplomats are they back in the wh?

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  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 29,933
    Stop what you're doing and find Trump's comments about the Russian expulsion of diplomats. I read the text where he thanked Putin and reserved judgement until I saw video because I thought it was sarcastic...nope. Good grief. 
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