Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,542
    Nice job Lindsey!  Sad that it was that difficult to extract that answer.  Looks like we may have someone that swore fealty to Trump in the job though..
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,542
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    if you read the email chain that Jr released in order to beat the NYT to it, on June 3 Goldstone tells Jr, Emin has information on Hillary not the Russian lawyer (with ties to the Kremlin). also interesting is that in June, June 3rd, Jr along with everyone in the Trump campaign who is/are living and breathing to treasonously collude with Russia Russia Russia to subvert our elections says "later in the summer". when does summer officially begin? Jr was so anxious to get his hands on this treasonous collusionous info that on June 3rd he suggests "later in the summer".

    Last night on Hannity Jr made a point twice to say, Kushner immediately walked out when it was obvious there was no information forthcoming and Manafort was on the phone. Obvious attempts to provide cover for Kushner.
    You don't follow politics and campaigns very closely do you? "Late summer" may very well refer to the timing of the releasing of the "damaging" information on Hillary closer to the election so as to have the greatest polically damaging impact. Releasing the info in June would make it old news by October/November.

    Remember the altered campaign plank. A signal that Trump could deliver and would deliver more upon assuming office. Except for those damn emails and recorded phone conversations because, hey, who listens in on the Russian ambassadors phone conversations anyway?
    I love the defense that it's fine because the Russian had nothing to provide..  That seems to be the second angle that the Trump team is trying.  
    I guess they would be supportive of not prosecuting terrorists that were caught during the plot planning stage.  I mean, they hadn't committed the terrorism yet, right?  Seems a bit premature.  
    I think it's worth noting we are taking them on their word that there was no information given about Hillary. 

    Also worth noting: there was no mention anywhere in those emails about adoption, and Trump jr has already lied multiple times on the record about this meeting.                                                             
    Absolutely.  Have you guys seen the speeches and tweets that Trump put out in the couple of days after that meeting?  He was alluding to information forthcoming...
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 3,811
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    if you read the email chain that Jr released in order to beat the NYT to it, on June 3 Goldstone tells Jr, Emin has information on Hillary not the Russian lawyer (with ties to the Kremlin). also interesting is that in June, June 3rd, Jr along with everyone in the Trump campaign who is/are living and breathing to treasonously collude with Russia Russia Russia to subvert our elections says "later in the summer". when does summer officially begin? Jr was so anxious to get his hands on this treasonous collusionous info that on June 3rd he suggests "later in the summer".

    Last night on Hannity Jr made a point twice to say, Kushner immediately walked out when it was obvious there was no information forthcoming and Manafort was on the phone. Obvious attempts to provide cover for Kushner.
    You don't follow politics and campaigns very closely do you? "Late summer" may very well refer to the timing of the releasing of the "damaging" information on Hillary closer to the election so as to have the greatest polically damaging impact. Releasing the info in June would make it old news by October/November.

    Remember the altered campaign plank. A signal that Trump could deliver and would deliver more upon assuming office. Except for those damn emails and recorded phone conversations because, hey, who listens in on the Russian ambassadors phone conversations anyway?
    I love the defense that it's fine because the Russian had nothing to provide..  That seems to be the second angle that the Trump team is trying.  
    I guess they would be supportive of not prosecuting terrorists that were caught during the plot planning stage.  I mean, they hadn't committed the terrorism yet, right?  Seems a bit premature.  
    I'm also seeing the defense that she was here on an expired visa, that she met with Russian ambassador, met with senior Obama WH officials, posted pictures from McPastey office, attended anti trump rally and her social media timeline is not at all favorable to trump.
    its only going to get uglier! intriguing to say the least.
    The lawyer means NOTHING.  That's what you seem to be missing.  He went to the meeting, bringing along his fellow idiots, with the understanding that a foreign adversarial government that supported his father's candidacy (according to the email) was willing to provide dirt.  Trying to hurt the credibility of the lawyer in no way improves Trump jr's case..
    IT WAS THE LAWYER...

    Nice Keyser Soze  reference
  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 1,688

    A handful of Republican operatives close to the White House are scrambling to Trump Jr.’s defense and have begun what could be an extensive campaign to try to discredit some of the journalists who have been reporting on the matter.

    Their plan, as one member of the team described it, is to research the reporters’ previous work, in some cases going back years, and to exploit any mistakes or perceived biases. They intend to demand corrections, trumpet errors on social media and feed them to conservative outlets, such as Fox News.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-attacks-media_us_59661275e4b03f144e2f568a?5np&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 8,658

    A handful of Republican operatives close to the White House are scrambling to Trump Jr.’s defense and have begun what could be an extensive campaign to try to discredit some of the journalists who have been reporting on the matter.

    Their plan, as one member of the team described it, is to research the reporters’ previous work, in some cases going back years, and to exploit any mistakes or perceived biases. They intend to demand corrections, trumpet errors on social media and feed them to conservative outlets, such as Fox News.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-attacks-media_us_59661275e4b03f144e2f568a?5np&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    It's the plan I'd try and follow.  And it will divert some people's attention.  Because unfortunately people are unable to see that things can happen and not actually effect the other.  The reporter had to make mistakes at some point....the reporter is human correct?  Maybe the NYT should look into the past of the operatives and find all the times they have lied to discredit their discrediting.

    Tired of people.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    Nice job Lindsey!  Sad that it was that difficult to extract that answer.  Looks like we may have someone that swore fealty to Trump in the job though..
    He tried like mad to be evasive, but he wasn't let off the hook. It was great.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,670

    In case you're missing those brilliantly disappearing headlines. Do these guys think that literally no one can look at the facts or review the past? Oh yea, they and their supporters do.

    HANNITY: He sends you this email. … This is the one that says, the crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father, meaning Emin’s father, and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with documents, it’s information that could incriminate Hillary Clinton, etc. Obviously highly sensitive information. But it’s part of Russia and its government’s support of Mr. Trump. And they ask the best way to handle this.

    This email comes in. What are you thinking?

    TRUMP JR.: Honestly, my takeaway when all of this is going on? Someone has information on our opponent. You know. Things are going a million miles an hour. You know what it’s like to be on a campaign. We’d just won Indiana but we’re talking about a contested convention. Things are going a million miles an hour again. And, hey, wait a minute. I’ve heard about all these things, but maybe this is something. I should hear him out.

    There’s a key point here that Trump revisits throughout the race: This was a tumultuous moment, he implies, and he has less bandwidth than normal to parse what’s being presented to him.

    For example, he says, “we’d just won Indiana” — suggesting that this was the moment at which anti-Trump forces were at their apex, hoping to block Trump from the nomination. But, in fact, the Indiana primary was a month before the first email sent by Goldstone offering to connect Trump to the Russians. A month was a very long time in 2016, as you may recall. What’s more, nearly two weeks before that first email, the Associated Press reported that Trump had clinched the Republican Party nomination by securing unpledged delegate commitments for the convention. Two days before the meeting, he made it official, winning the California and New Jersey primaries and giving him clearly enough delegates to be the nominee.

    In other words, this was likely a moment of relative calm for a campaign that had been pressing hard since the previous June.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/12/assessing-how-open-and-transparent-donald-trump-jr-was-in-his-hannity-appearance/?utm_term=.45e3728f623c&wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1


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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 2,588
    mrussel1 said:
    Nice job Lindsey!  Sad that it was that difficult to extract that answer.  Looks like we may have someone that swore fealty to Trump in the job though..
    He tried like mad to be evasive, but he wasn't let off the hook. It was great.
    Wow, Wray is probably the biggest weasel I've ever seen nominated for FBI director. That guy clearly has no spine and seems clueless. Loyalty secured Trump. This guy looks like someone who would take Russian hookers as payment or offer some serious quid pro quo to any sleaze willing to deal.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,670
    I bet Jr. wishes the fake news would stop putting words in his mouth, huh?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 5,087

    House Democrats want to know why a major Russian money-laundering case was abruptly settled

    http://www.businessinsider.com/why-was-russian-money-laundering-case-dismissed-house-dems-2017-7
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 12,646
    BREAKING NEWS:

    The entire Trump family sucks
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    my2hands said:
    BREAKING NEWS:

    The entire Trump family sucks
    Confirmed!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,670
    edited July 13
    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment. The democrats are requesting very specific points of information. I look forward to Maxine Waters and her brilliant display of oratory on the house floor.

    Coming soon in a Fall near you.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,719
    edited July 13
    Smellyman said:


    This is too much.  The libs and radlibs are going crazy talk now.  #Idon'tbelievethisvideo
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  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 2,796
    Smellyman said:


    This is too much.  The libs and radlibs are going crazy talk now.  #Idon'tbelievethisvideo
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,246
    Jr released his email chain redacted and possibly edited, Mueller can and will request emails from he Kushner and Manafort for forensics. Jr telephone logs may also be requested....this may hurt really badly going in!

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/what-everyone-missed-in-the-donald-trump-jr-emails-994794051608
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 2,839
    Smellyman said:
    Smellyman said:


    This is too much.  The libs and radlibs are going crazy talk now.  #Idon'tbelievethisvideo
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    lol
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,246
    With all the countless stories retractions and accusations here is great summation of where we are today with the Trump campaign and Russia Russia Russia.

    https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/7/13/15952212/trump-russia-investigation-evidence

    Follow the
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    "I just wanna say..."


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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 16,694
    I'm guessing they did get info on Clinton campaign because there is no way I'm believing anything bafoon junior has to say !
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,719
    edited July 14
    I'm guessing they did get info on Clinton campaign because there is no way I'm believing anything bafoon junior has to say !

    #no way I'm believing anything bafoon junior has to say !
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  • dignindignin Posts: 5,087

    Former Soviet Counter Intelligence Officer at Meeting With Donald Trump Jr. and Russian Lawyer

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-lawyer-brought-ex-soviet-counter-intelligence-officer-trump-team-n782851

  • The JugglerThe Juggler To your left.Posts: 28,259
    I'm guessing they did get info on Clinton campaign because there is no way I'm believing anything bafoon junior has to say !
    How can you at this point? He has zero credibility 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 5,756
    Talks about it being this guy: Rinat Akhmetshin
    The man they call my enemy. I've seen his eyes, he looks just like me - A mirror...
  • dignindignin Posts: 5,087
    Talks about it being this guy: Rinat Akhmetshin
    Strange that NBC wouldn't name him.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 8,658
    Talks about it being this guy: Rinat Akhmetshin
    I'm sure he was only in the room for 7 minutes and left with Jared.  Probably on his phone the entire 7 minutes texting Manafort.  Nothing to see here.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 5,087

    Russian 'Gun-For-Hire' Lurks In Shadows Of Washington's Lobbying World

    "That it was shown at all was a small coup for Rinat Akhmetshin, the man at the back of the room who for nearly 20 years has worked the shadowy corners of the Washington lobbying scene on behalf of businessmen and politicians from around the former Soviet Union.

    "I call him skilled because -- though I am certain that they exist -- I know of no Russian gun-for-hire who managed to run his campaigns so successfully, running circles around purportedly much more seasoned Washington hands,” says Steve LeVine, a veteran Washington reporter who explored some of Akhmetshin’s past work in his 2007 book The Oil And The Glory."


    https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmetshin-russia-gun-for-hire-washington-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,542
    dignin said:

    Russian 'Gun-For-Hire' Lurks In Shadows Of Washington's Lobbying World

    "That it was shown at all was a small coup for Rinat Akhmetshin, the man at the back of the room who for nearly 20 years has worked the shadowy corners of the Washington lobbying scene on behalf of businessmen and politicians from around the former Soviet Union.

    "I call him skilled because -- though I am certain that they exist -- I know of no Russian gun-for-hire who managed to run his campaigns so successfully, running circles around purportedly much more seasoned Washington hands,” says Steve LeVine, a veteran Washington reporter who explored some of Akhmetshin’s past work in his 2007 book The Oil And The Glory."


    https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmetshin-russia-gun-for-hire-washington-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html

    Good find..
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