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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    dignin said:

    rgambs said:

    Where is JC, we need someone to make light of Russia Russia Russia and Flynn Flynn Flynn.

    I was wondering myself so I checked.

    Banned banned banned.
    Which got me thinking about other posters who haven't been active over the past little while, so I checked and...... Free is also banned.
    Wow. The deep state got them both I guess.
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    The Situation room in the WH compromised? insane
    http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-white-house-spy-agencies
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    Who told Flynn to call Russia?
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    this gets better every single minute. maybe Trump is the greatest entertainer of all time? He's had me at the edge of my seat for the last 3+ months
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/top-senate-republican-blunt-says-congress-should-probe-flynn-situation/2017/02/14/8abbcad4-f2d5-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?utm_term=.829e0a509693
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,826
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    rgambs said:

    Where is JC, we need someone to make light of Russia Russia Russia and Flynn Flynn Flynn.

    I was wondering myself so I checked.

    Banned banned banned.
    Which got me thinking about other posters who haven't been active over the past little while, so I checked and...... Free is also banned.
    Wow. The deep state got them both I guess.
    I'm not sure they're that important. The shallow state would be sufficient.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    And now for the consequences of the left's intentions...

    Russia is still acting in belligerent ways across the globe. Yesterday they deployed cruise missles in violation of current agreements.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/europe/russia-cruise-missile-arms-control-treaty.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

    Trump on a vocal level has been discussing improving relations with Russia while on a practical level has been acting much tougher through actions at the UN along with stances of his other cabinet members such as Mattis overseas. The problem we have is the left is moving so hard on Trump's "possible" campaign relationship with Russia that effectively both countries are being moved closer to conflict. There are real world implications to what is happening right now and as somebody who has been blasting Putin for a long time I actually think the left and the deep state are playing right into his hands. The previous administration had no answer to Russia and the current administration is going to get boxed to only bad choices.
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    BS44325 said:

    And now for the consequences of the left's intentions...

    Russia is still acting in belligerent ways across the globe. Yesterday they deployed cruise missles in violation of current agreements.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/europe/russia-cruise-missile-arms-control-treaty.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

    Trump on a vocal level has been discussing improving relations with Russia while on a practical level has been acting much tougher through actions at the UN along with stances of his other cabinet members such as Mattis overseas. The problem we have is the left is moving so hard on Trump's "possible" campaign relationship with Russia that effectively both countries are being moved closer to conflict. There are real world implications to what is happening right now and as somebody who has been blasting Putin for a long time I actually think the left and the deep state are playing right into his hands. The previous administration had no answer to Russia and the current administration is going to get boxed to only bad choices.

    Fucking laughable, blame the lefties for the incompetence of the current administration? You're a hoot. Nicki Haley's UN is tough? The same UN your hero John Bolton wanted to blow up? Seriously? Putin is taking advantage of Trump's compromised position and utter incompetence. I can see it now, if those lefties hadn't investigated me, I wouldn't have nuked Poland. You own it BS.
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    Nothing to see here. Everybody should just move on.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/donald-trump-aides-russians-campaign/index.html

    Follow the money.
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    BS44325 said:

    And now for the consequences of the left's intentions...

    Russia is still acting in belligerent ways across the globe. Yesterday they deployed cruise missles in violation of current agreements.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/europe/russia-cruise-missile-arms-control-treaty.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

    Trump on a vocal level has been discussing improving relations with Russia while on a practical level has been acting much tougher through actions at the UN along with stances of his other cabinet members such as Mattis overseas. The problem we have is the left is moving so hard on Trump's "possible" campaign relationship with Russia that effectively both countries are being moved closer to conflict. There are real world implications to what is happening right now and as somebody who has been blasting Putin for a long time I actually think the left and the deep state are playing right into his hands. The previous administration had no answer to Russia and the current administration is going to get boxed to only bad choices.

    And you were worried about the national security implications of Hillary's unsecured campaign server.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Follow the money!!!
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    edited February 2017

    BS44325 said:

    And now for the consequences of the left's intentions...

    Russia is still acting in belligerent ways across the globe. Yesterday they deployed cruise missles in violation of current agreements.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/europe/russia-cruise-missile-arms-control-treaty.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

    Trump on a vocal level has been discussing improving relations with Russia while on a practical level has been acting much tougher through actions at the UN along with stances of his other cabinet members such as Mattis overseas. The problem we have is the left is moving so hard on Trump's "possible" campaign relationship with Russia that effectively both countries are being moved closer to conflict. There are real world implications to what is happening right now and as somebody who has been blasting Putin for a long time I actually think the left and the deep state are playing right into his hands. The previous administration had no answer to Russia and the current administration is going to get boxed to only bad choices.

    Fucking laughable, blame the lefties for the incompetence of the current administration? You're a hoot. Nicki Haley's UN is tough? The same UN your hero John Bolton wanted to blow up? Seriously? Putin is taking advantage of Trump's compromised position and utter incompetence. I can see it now, if those lefties hadn't investigated me, I wouldn't have nuked Poland. You own it BS.
    Don't blame BS, he's just parroting what he hears from some of his right wing blogs.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,122
    Putin and Trump, sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S-I-N-G

    SAD!
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,537
    edited February 2017

    BS44325 said:

    And now for the consequences of the left's intentions...

    Russia is still acting in belligerent ways across the globe. Yesterday they deployed cruise missles in violation of current agreements.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/europe/russia-cruise-missile-arms-control-treaty.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

    Trump on a vocal level has been discussing improving relations with Russia while on a practical level has been acting much tougher through actions at the UN along with stances of his other cabinet members such as Mattis overseas. The problem we have is the left is moving so hard on Trump's "possible" campaign relationship with Russia that effectively both countries are being moved closer to conflict. There are real world implications to what is happening right now and as somebody who has been blasting Putin for a long time I actually think the left and the deep state are playing right into his hands. The previous administration had no answer to Russia and the current administration is going to get boxed to only bad choices.

    Fucking laughable, blame the lefties for the incompetence of the current administration? You're a hoot. Nicki Haley's UN is tough? The same UN your hero John Bolton wanted to blow up? Seriously? Putin is taking advantage of Trump's compromised position and utter incompetence. I can see it now, if those lefties hadn't investigated me, I wouldn't have nuked Poland. You own it BS.
    To be fair, Putin took Crimea under Obama's watch. Putin took control of Syria under Obama's watch. I think Putin had zero fear of Obama. He did fear Hillary.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629

    BS44325 said:

    And now for the consequences of the left's intentions...

    Russia is still acting in belligerent ways across the globe. Yesterday they deployed cruise missles in violation of current agreements.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/world/europe/russia-cruise-missile-arms-control-treaty.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

    Trump on a vocal level has been discussing improving relations with Russia while on a practical level has been acting much tougher through actions at the UN along with stances of his other cabinet members such as Mattis overseas. The problem we have is the left is moving so hard on Trump's "possible" campaign relationship with Russia that effectively both countries are being moved closer to conflict. There are real world implications to what is happening right now and as somebody who has been blasting Putin for a long time I actually think the left and the deep state are playing right into his hands. The previous administration had no answer to Russia and the current administration is going to get boxed to only bad choices.

    Fucking laughable, blame the lefties for the incompetence of the current administration? You're a hoot. Nicki Haley's UN is tough? The same UN your hero John Bolton wanted to blow up? Seriously? Putin is taking advantage of Trump's compromised position and utter incompetence. I can see it now, if those lefties hadn't investigated me, I wouldn't have nuked Poland. You own it BS.
    To be fair, Putin took Crimea under Obama's watch. Putin took control of Syria under Obama's watch. I think Putin had zero fear of Obama. He did fear Hillary.
    He's always had Syria. They've been a 'sovereign' ally for a long time. But yes, the Crimean invasion happened under Obama along with the Russian backed rebels downing of a Dutch commercial airline (some people around here either forget that or think it's fake). But the Obama administration did not turn a blind eye. They instilled sanctions and were trying to pressure the Soviets Russians to pull back. That pressure is all gone now.

    And yes, Putin blames Hillary for allegedly manufacturing protests against him several years ago. Good for her. Nothing is more admirable than having a piece of shit like Putin hate you.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Well at least it looks like anti-russian hawks are gaining the upper hand in the administration which is ok with me. Glad that going forward we'll all be on the same page when it is time to hit russia hard.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Well this interesting...

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/15/exclusive-shadowy-iranian-general-visits-moscow-violating-sanctions.html

    As I outlined earlier the goal right now should be to split Russia and Iran. If the cards are played right it might be possible...who knows. The problem is the Pro-Iranian Obama holdouts are against a tougher stand against Iran and would rather box in the new administration from working with Russia to this end.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:

    Well at least it looks like anti-russian hawks are gaining the upper hand in the administration which is ok with me. Glad that going forward we'll all be on the same page when it is time to hit russia hard.

    who said anything about "hitting them hard"? which I assume you mean military action with that language?

    I just don't want our president and his cronies on the Kremlin payroll or to be completely compromised. pretty simple.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    Well at least it looks like anti-russian hawks are gaining the upper hand in the administration which is ok with me. Glad that going forward we'll all be on the same page when it is time to hit russia hard.

    who said anything about "hitting them hard"? which I assume you mean military action with that language?

    I just don't want our president and his cronies on the Kremlin payroll or to be completely compromised. pretty simple.
    Woah woah woah. I thought you were all outraged! Today I am reading that Russian actions in your elections was as bad as Pearl Harbor and 9/11! An attack such as that along with spy ships on the east coast and military jets buzzing your planes plus further destabilization in Ukraine will have to require a military response! You don't want puppet Trump to just let Putin roll all over you and the world do you? Clearly you want Russian actions checked beyond the sanctions already in place don't you? Is this only about Trump or do you want to put Russia in their place? C'mon man! Do you not care? Are you a russian puppet as well? Do I need to follow the money?
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    Well at least it looks like anti-russian hawks are gaining the upper hand in the administration which is ok with me. Glad that going forward we'll all be on the same page when it is time to hit russia hard.

    who said anything about "hitting them hard"? which I assume you mean military action with that language?

    I just don't want our president and his cronies on the Kremlin payroll or to be completely compromised. pretty simple.
    Woah woah woah. I thought you were all outraged! Today I am reading that Russian actions in your elections was as bad as Pearl Harbor and 9/11! An attack such as that along with spy ships on the east coast and military jets buzzing your planes plus further destabilization in Ukraine will have to require a military response! You don't want puppet Trump to just let Putin roll all over you and the world do you? Clearly you want Russian actions checked beyond the sanctions already in place don't you? Is this only about Trump or do you want to put Russia in their place? C'mon man! Do you not care? Are you a russian puppet as well? Do I need to follow the money?
    you getting desperate? because this is just silly

    I haven't seen anybody on the left, or anybody in general, say that military intervention is needed. you definitely didn't here that from me.

    I think Americans, which I am an American, don't want our white house controlled and compromised by Putin and the Kremlin. you, as a Canadian, are clearly comfortable with it

    for some reason you refuse to see what is happening right in front of your face. but like I said, i'm not wasting energy trying to change your mind.
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    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    Well at least it looks like anti-russian hawks are gaining the upper hand in the administration which is ok with me. Glad that going forward we'll all be on the same page when it is time to hit russia hard.

    who said anything about "hitting them hard"? which I assume you mean military action with that language?

    I just don't want our president and his cronies on the Kremlin payroll or to be completely compromised. pretty simple.
    Woah woah woah. I thought you were all outraged! Today I am reading that Russian actions in your elections was as bad as Pearl Harbor and 9/11! An attack such as that along with spy ships on the east coast and military jets buzzing your planes plus further destabilization in Ukraine will have to require a military response! You don't want puppet Trump to just let Putin roll all over you and the world do you? Clearly you want Russian actions checked beyond the sanctions already in place don't you? Is this only about Trump or do you want to put Russia in their place? C'mon man! Do you not care? Are you a russian puppet as well? Do I need to follow the money?
    BS, you should know that America only takes on weak states. You really expect the US to take on a nuclear power? That would be a fair fight. See Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, et al. Also see Soviet Union, KAL 007, China, Tiannam Square Bush I, seizure of E3, surrvielence aircraft Bush II. You must be Crimean, like Senator McCain?

    And yes, you do need to follow the money.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    Well at least it looks like anti-russian hawks are gaining the upper hand in the administration which is ok with me. Glad that going forward we'll all be on the same page when it is time to hit russia hard.

    who said anything about "hitting them hard"? which I assume you mean military action with that language?

    I just don't want our president and his cronies on the Kremlin payroll or to be completely compromised. pretty simple.
    Woah woah woah. I thought you were all outraged! Today I am reading that Russian actions in your elections was as bad as Pearl Harbor and 9/11! An attack such as that along with spy ships on the east coast and military jets buzzing your planes plus further destabilization in Ukraine will have to require a military response! You don't want puppet Trump to just let Putin roll all over you and the world do you? Clearly you want Russian actions checked beyond the sanctions already in place don't you? Is this only about Trump or do you want to put Russia in their place? C'mon man! Do you not care? Are you a russian puppet as well? Do I need to follow the money?
    BS, you should know that America only takes on weak states. You really expect the US to take on a nuclear power? That would be a fair fight. See Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, et al. Also see Soviet Union, KAL 007, China, Tiannam Square Bush I, seizure of E3, surrvielence aircraft Bush II. You must be Crimean, like Senator McCain?

    And yes, you do need to follow the money.
    The Cold War was a proxy battle of nuclear powers. There was only one country equal to us and that was the Soviet Union. And fortunately neither super power unleashed a nuclear bomb. Don't forget General MacArthur advocated for nuking Korea until Truman relieved him of his duties (rightfully). So I'm not really following your point here. And McCain is right to advocate on behalf of the Ukrainians.
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    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    Well at least it looks like anti-russian hawks are gaining the upper hand in the administration which is ok with me. Glad that going forward we'll all be on the same page when it is time to hit russia hard.

    who said anything about "hitting them hard"? which I assume you mean military action with that language?

    I just don't want our president and his cronies on the Kremlin payroll or to be completely compromised. pretty simple.
    Woah woah woah. I thought you were all outraged! Today I am reading that Russian actions in your elections was as bad as Pearl Harbor and 9/11! An attack such as that along with spy ships on the east coast and military jets buzzing your planes plus further destabilization in Ukraine will have to require a military response! You don't want puppet Trump to just let Putin roll all over you and the world do you? Clearly you want Russian actions checked beyond the sanctions already in place don't you? Is this only about Trump or do you want to put Russia in their place? C'mon man! Do you not care? Are you a russian puppet as well? Do I need to follow the money?
    BS, you should know that America only takes on weak states. You really expect the US to take on a nuclear power? That would be a fair fight. See Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, et al. Also see Soviet Union, KAL 007, China, Tiannam Square Bush I, seizure of E3, surrvielence aircraft Bush II. You must be Crimean, like Senator McCain?

    And yes, you do need to follow the money.
    The Cold War was a proxy battle of nuclear powers. There was only one country equal to us and that was the Soviet Union. And fortunately neither super power unleashed a nuclear bomb. Don't forget General MacArthur advocated for nuking Korea until Truman relieved him of his duties (rightfully). So I'm not really following your point here. And McCain is right to advocate on behalf of the Ukrainians.
    Because we're not going to go to war with Russia over Crimea or Syria as much as BS would like us to. Does anyone expect or think that Russia would go to war with us over, say Mexico or El Salvador? Of course not, its our so called sphere of influence. But you know, those Sarah Palin acolytes would love to see the rapture, so there is that. And don't forget, Putin still has his nose out of whack for the humiliation that was Afghanistan. Paybacks a bitch.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    BS44325 said:

    Well at least it looks like anti-russian hawks are gaining the upper hand in the administration which is ok with me. Glad that going forward we'll all be on the same page when it is time to hit russia hard.

    who said anything about "hitting them hard"? which I assume you mean military action with that language?

    I just don't want our president and his cronies on the Kremlin payroll or to be completely compromised. pretty simple.
    Woah woah woah. I thought you were all outraged! Today I am reading that Russian actions in your elections was as bad as Pearl Harbor and 9/11! An attack such as that along with spy ships on the east coast and military jets buzzing your planes plus further destabilization in Ukraine will have to require a military response! You don't want puppet Trump to just let Putin roll all over you and the world do you? Clearly you want Russian actions checked beyond the sanctions already in place don't you? Is this only about Trump or do you want to put Russia in their place? C'mon man! Do you not care? Are you a russian puppet as well? Do I need to follow the money?
    BS, you should know that America only takes on weak states. You really expect the US to take on a nuclear power? That would be a fair fight. See Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, et al. Also see Soviet Union, KAL 007, China, Tiannam Square Bush I, seizure of E3, surrvielence aircraft Bush II. You must be Crimean, like Senator McCain?

    And yes, you do need to follow the money.
    The Cold War was a proxy battle of nuclear powers. There was only one country equal to us and that was the Soviet Union. And fortunately neither super power unleashed a nuclear bomb. Don't forget General MacArthur advocated for nuking Korea until Truman relieved him of his duties (rightfully). So I'm not really following your point here. And McCain is right to advocate on behalf of the Ukrainians.
    Because we're not going to go to war with Russia over Crimea or Syria as much as BS would like us to. Does anyone expect or think that Russia would go to war with us over, say Mexico or El Salvador? Of course not, its our so called sphere of influence. But you know, those Sarah Palin acolytes would love to see the rapture, so there is that. And don't forget, Putin still has his nose out of whack for the humiliation that was Afghanistan. Paybacks a bitch.
    I didn't realize that was your point. Yes I agree that there is no war afoot with Russia over Crimea, Cuba or anywhere. War today iwth Russia is economic war and it's espionage.
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    this clip makes me want to punch the smug little punk in the face

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVWRetR4jg
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