Sorry, this isn't The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class.
Steve Perry: "Are you fucking shitting me? Any singer would give his ass for that shit." Class, or no class?
Sorry, I was talking about the RAP portion of the show. I say rap needs it's own hall of fame. I totally enjoyed the rest of it. County music respectfully has their own. I mean you wouldn't induct George Straight or George Jones into the rock and roll hall of fame would you? That's all I was saying.
Sorry, this isn't The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class.
Steve Perry: "Are you fucking shitting me? Any singer would give his ass for that shit." Class, or no class?
Sorry, I was talking about the RAP portion of the show. I say rap needs it's own hall of fame. I totally enjoyed the rest of it. County music respectfully has their own. I mean you wouldn't induct George Straight or George Jones into the rock and roll hall of fame would you? That's all I was saying.
You actually did say more than that. If your original statement was only and specifically outlined as above, your point might have some merit. But you specifically stated "The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class. " A pretty odd thing to say, at the very least.
Sorry, this isn't The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class.
Steve Perry: "Are you fucking shitting me? Any singer would give his ass for that shit." Class, or no class?
Sorry, I was talking about the RAP portion of the show. I say rap needs it's own hall of fame. I totally enjoyed the rest of it. County music respectfully has their own. I mean you wouldn't induct George Straight or George Jones into the rock and roll hall of fame would you? That's all I was saying.
You actually did say more than that. If your original statement was only and specifically outlined as above, your point might have some merit. But you specifically stated "The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class. " A pretty odd thing to say, at the very least.
We'll I am sorry. I don't dislike all rap. I actually have a few rap CD's in my collection. Public Enemy, EPMD, 3RD BASS, LL COOL J ( Mamma Said knock you out. lol), Ice Cube,. Tribe Called Quest. I thought the segment for Tupac Shakur wasn't done very well. Maby it's that type of rap that I don't like. Put it that way. Sorry for the oddnes. I called them dudes because I don't know their names except for Snoop Dogg of course and Alicia Keys. But yeah rap & cuss, that's what they did for 5 minutes. I don't mind an f bomb now and then it can really drive a point home during a song, but when that's all it is, I think that's classless.
Sorry, this isn't The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class.
Steve Perry: "Are you fucking shitting me? Any singer would give his ass for that shit." Class, or no class?
Sorry, I was talking about the RAP portion of the show. I say rap needs it's own hall of fame. I totally enjoyed the rest of it. County music respectfully has their own. I mean you wouldn't induct George Straight or George Jones into the rock and roll hall of fame would you? That's all I was saying.
You actually did say more than that. If your original statement was only and specifically outlined as above, your point might have some merit. But you specifically stated "The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class. " A pretty odd thing to say, at the very least.
We'll I am sorry. I don't dislike all rap. I actually have a few rap CD's in my collection. Public Enemy, EPMD, 3RD BASS, LL COOL J ( Mamma Said knock you out. lol), Ice Cube,. Tribe Called Quest. I thought the segment for Tupac Shakur wasn't done very well. Maby it's that type of rap that I don't like. Put it that way. Sorry for the oddnes. I called them dudes because I don't know their names except for Snoop Dogg of course and Alicia Keys. But yeah rap & cuss, that's what they did for 5 minutes. I don't mind an f bomb now and then it can really drive a point home during a song, but when that's all it is, I think that's classless.
A Rap Hall of Fame would be fine, but you are totally and entirely missing the point of the Rock Hall of Fame. They induct bands that have had a significant impact on rock music, regardless of the genre of the band. Nile Rogers and Chic aren't "rock" either, nor technically are Blues or Bluegrass music. But Blues, Soul, and Bluegrass and some country are the ROOTS of rock and roll, and then as rock evolved there are other genres (rap being the major new one) that also shaped/impacted rock.
THAT is why Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Tupac are in the Rock Hall of Fame. Not because their music is rock, but because their music has had an impact on rock. This is a point that is MISunderstood year after year after year.
Sorry, this isn't The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class.
Steve Perry: "Are you fucking shitting me? Any singer would give his ass for that shit." Class, or no class?
Sorry, I was talking about the RAP portion of the show. I say rap needs it's own hall of fame. I totally enjoyed the rest of it. County music respectfully has their own. I mean you wouldn't induct George Straight or George Jones into the rock and roll hall of fame would you? That's all I was saying.
You actually did say more than that. If your original statement was only and specifically outlined as above, your point might have some merit. But you specifically stated "The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class. " A pretty odd thing to say, at the very least.
We'll I am sorry. I don't dislike all rap. I actually have a few rap CD's in my collection. Public Enemy, EPMD, 3RD BASS, LL COOL J ( Mamma Said knock you out. lol), Ice Cube,. Tribe Called Quest. I thought the segment for Tupac Shakur wasn't done very well. Maby it's that type of rap that I don't like. Put it that way. Sorry for the oddnes. I called them dudes because I don't know their names except for Snoop Dogg of course and Alicia Keys. But yeah rap & cuss, that's what they did for 5 minutes. I don't mind an f bomb now and then it can really drive a point home during a song, but when that's all it is, I think that's classless.
A Rap Hall of Fame would be fine, but you are totally and entirely missing the point of the Rock Hall of Fame. They induct bands that have had a significant impact on rock music, regardless of the genre of the band. Nile Rogers and Chic aren't "rock" either, nor technically are Blues or Bluegrass music. But Blues, Soul, and Bluegrass and some country are the ROOTS of rock and roll, and then as rock evolved there are other genres (rap being the major new one) that also shaped/impacted rock.
THAT is why Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Tupac are in the Rock Hall of Fame. Not because their music is rock, but because their music has had an impact on rock. This is a point that is MISunderstood year after year after year.
I'll give you Flash, DMC, and the Beasties, but what impact did Tupac have on rock?
Sorry, this isn't The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class.
Steve Perry: "Are you fucking shitting me? Any singer would give his ass for that shit." Class, or no class?
Sorry, I was talking about the RAP portion of the show. I say rap needs it's own hall of fame. I totally enjoyed the rest of it. County music respectfully has their own. I mean you wouldn't induct George Straight or George Jones into the rock and roll hall of fame would you? That's all I was saying.
You actually did say more than that. If your original statement was only and specifically outlined as above, your point might have some merit. But you specifically stated "The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class. " A pretty odd thing to say, at the very least.
We'll I am sorry. I don't dislike all rap. I actually have a few rap CD's in my collection. Public Enemy, EPMD, 3RD BASS, LL COOL J ( Mamma Said knock you out. lol), Ice Cube,. Tribe Called Quest. I thought the segment for Tupac Shakur wasn't done very well. Maby it's that type of rap that I don't like. Put it that way. Sorry for the oddnes. I called them dudes because I don't know their names except for Snoop Dogg of course and Alicia Keys. But yeah rap & cuss, that's what they did for 5 minutes. I don't mind an f bomb now and then it can really drive a point home during a song, but when that's all it is, I think that's classless.
A Rap Hall of Fame would be fine, but you are totally and entirely missing the point of the Rock Hall of Fame. They induct bands that have had a significant impact on rock music, regardless of the genre of the band. Nile Rogers and Chic aren't "rock" either, nor technically are Blues or Bluegrass music. But Blues, Soul, and Bluegrass and some country are the ROOTS of rock and roll, and then as rock evolved there are other genres (rap being the major new one) that also shaped/impacted rock.
THAT is why Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Tupac are in the Rock Hall of Fame. Not because their music is rock, but because their music has had an impact on rock. This is a point that is MISunderstood year after year after year.
Sorry, this isn't The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class.
Steve Perry: "Are you fucking shitting me? Any singer would give his ass for that shit." Class, or no class?
Sorry, I was talking about the RAP portion of the show. I say rap needs it's own hall of fame. I totally enjoyed the rest of it. County music respectfully has their own. I mean you wouldn't induct George Straight or George Jones into the rock and roll hall of fame would you? That's all I was saying.
You actually did say more than that. If your original statement was only and specifically outlined as above, your point might have some merit. But you specifically stated "The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class. " A pretty odd thing to say, at the very least.
We'll I am sorry. I don't dislike all rap. I actually have a few rap CD's in my collection. Public Enemy, EPMD, 3RD BASS, LL COOL J ( Mamma Said knock you out. lol), Ice Cube,. Tribe Called Quest. I thought the segment for Tupac Shakur wasn't done very well. Maby it's that type of rap that I don't like. Put it that way. Sorry for the oddnes. I called them dudes because I don't know their names except for Snoop Dogg of course and Alicia Keys. But yeah rap & cuss, that's what they did for 5 minutes. I don't mind an f bomb now and then it can really drive a point home during a song, but when that's all it is, I think that's classless.
A Rap Hall of Fame would be fine, but you are totally and entirely missing the point of the Rock Hall of Fame. They induct bands that have had a significant impact on rock music, regardless of the genre of the band. Nile Rogers and Chic aren't "rock" either, nor technically are Blues or Bluegrass music. But Blues, Soul, and Bluegrass and some country are the ROOTS of rock and roll, and then as rock evolved there are other genres (rap being the major new one) that also shaped/impacted rock.
THAT is why Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Tupac are in the Rock Hall of Fame. Not because their music is rock, but because their music has had an impact on rock. This is a point that is MISunderstood year after year after year.
id' be embarrassed to be influenced by Tupac or Snoop Dogg. while snoop may be a cool cat and a funny dude i don't see much redeeming quality to what he raps about but then again i'm a mid 40s white suburban dude so hard to blame me for that.
Sorry, this isn't The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class.
Steve Perry: "Are you fucking shitting me? Any singer would give his ass for that shit." Class, or no class?
Sorry, I was talking about the RAP portion of the show. I say rap needs it's own hall of fame. I totally enjoyed the rest of it. County music respectfully has their own. I mean you wouldn't induct George Straight or George Jones into the rock and roll hall of fame would you? That's all I was saying.
You actually did say more than that. If your original statement was only and specifically outlined as above, your point might have some merit. But you specifically stated "The Rap & Cuss hall of fame. .... I think those dudes showed no class. " A pretty odd thing to say, at the very least.
We'll I am sorry. I don't dislike all rap. I actually have a few rap CD's in my collection. Public Enemy, EPMD, 3RD BASS, LL COOL J ( Mamma Said knock you out. lol), Ice Cube,. Tribe Called Quest. I thought the segment for Tupac Shakur wasn't done very well. Maby it's that type of rap that I don't like. Put it that way. Sorry for the oddnes. I called them dudes because I don't know their names except for Snoop Dogg of course and Alicia Keys. But yeah rap & cuss, that's what they did for 5 minutes. I don't mind an f bomb now and then it can really drive a point home during a song, but when that's all it is, I think that's classless.
A Rap Hall of Fame would be fine, but you are totally and entirely missing the point of the Rock Hall of Fame. They induct bands that have had a significant impact on rock music, regardless of the genre of the band. Nile Rogers and Chic aren't "rock" either, nor technically are Blues or Bluegrass music. But Blues, Soul, and Bluegrass and some country are the ROOTS of rock and roll, and then as rock evolved there are other genres (rap being the major new one) that also shaped/impacted rock.
THAT is why Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Tupac are in the Rock Hall of Fame. Not because their music is rock, but because their music has had an impact on rock. This is a point that is MISunderstood year after year after year.
Point well taken. I just don't get or understand the mother fuck mother fuck fuck mother fuckers type of rap. I do like some of the old school rap that has poetry and rhyming with a few f bombs here and there that's fine and okay, but that performance during the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, all I heard was motherfuck 25 times. I don't see the art in that at all, or what influence that has on rock and roll. That's what I was referring to as classless. Now Run DMC, I like, they did that tune with Aerosmith and I get it why they are in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
Thought the show was great! Come here to find not much but complaints about rap and editing.
1) It's a 6+ hour event cut down into a 3 hour television show. Of course shit is gonna be edited. Heavily at that. 2) We're all here because we love Pearl Jam, but this was not a night for only Pearl Jam. Respect the other artists who were being celebrated. I personally felt the show still favored PJ over the other bands, but of course people here aren't satsified. 3) Rap is music, has its roots in blues, jazz, dance, & rock. And Tupac is the greatest ever.
Thought the show was great! Come here to find not much but complaints about rap and editing.
1) It's a 6+ hour event cut down into a 3 hour television show. Of course shit is gonna be edited. Heavily at that. 2) We're all here because we love Pearl Jam, but this was not a night for only Pearl Jam. Respect the other artists who were being celebrated. I personally felt the show still favored PJ over the other bands, but of course people here aren't satsified. 3) Rap is music, has its roots in blues, jazz, dance, & rock. And Tupac is the greatest ever.
I would have liked to re-visit the entire Rick Wakeman speech as well
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I finally watched it. I thought Snoop Dogg had the best induction speech. He start off a bit weak, but when it started to get personal, his speech really came to life. He did a really good job. I was never into the Hip Hop scene, so I didn't much about it. It's 20 years later and I'm feeling bad for Snoop Dogg losing one of his best friends.
The PJ induction was pretty good. Letterman's speech was ok. Dave Krusen really tried to stay out of the spotlight... lol. It was cool seeing him drum and seeing jack drum a bit on RiTFW. The crowd definitely had PJ bias
It would of been cool to see an unedited proshot copy one day. It's too bad that no hackers were able to grab the raw satellite feed or something
Edit: In regards to the RRoH inducting hip hop bands. I'm on the fence. I agree it's the "Rock" hall of fame, why induct other genres? On the other hand rock's last big explosion was in the 90's. Hip Hop kind of took the torch in the mid/later 90's as we got the clones of the PJ clones. If they don't induct other genres, they might run out of headliners to induct.
Edit: In regards to the RRoH inducting hip hop bands. I'm on the fence. I agree it's the "Rock" hall of fame, why induct other genres? On the other hand rock's last big explosion was in the 90's. Hip Hop kind of took the torch in the mid/later 90's as we got the clones of the PJ clones. If they don't induct other genres, they might run out of headliners to induct.
They should really just change it to the "Music Hall of Fame". There's been lots of hate on many social media pages since the broadcast because a rap artist was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Many agree & many don't agree rap shouldn't be included in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
Well to those who complain, there's a Hip Hop Hall of Fame. http://hiphophof.tv/ . Maybe you should push a vote & include Slayer into the Hip Hop Hall of Fame, being they released this amazing track with Ice T.
I finally watched it. I thought Snoop Dogg had the best induction speech. He start off a bit weak, but when it started to get personal, his speech really came to life. He did a really good job. I was never into the Hip Hop scene, so I didn't much about it. It's 20 years later and I'm feeling bad for Snoop Dogg losing one of his best friends.
The PJ induction was pretty good. Letterman's speech was ok. Dave Krusen really tried to stay out of the spotlight... lol. It was cool seeing him drum and seeing jack drum a bit on RiTFW. The crowd definitely had PJ bias
It would of been cool to see an unedited proshot copy one day. It's too bad that no hackers were able to grab the raw satellite feed or something
Edit: In regards to the RRoH inducting hip hop bands. I'm on the fence. I agree it's the "Rock" hall of fame, why induct other genres? On the other hand rock's last big explosion was in the 90's. Hip Hop kind of took the torch in the mid/later 90's as we got the clones of the PJ clones. If they don't induct other genres, they might run out of headliners to induct.
I thought Snoop's speech was possibly the highlight of the night. PJ's set was awesome too... its rare that they induct bands who are still on (or near the) top of their game.
As far as swearing... Part of Rock is expression. If its too loud, you're too old.
It would be cool if the "Hall of Fame" would be formatted a bit differently. Inducting that many acts every year drains the well pretty quickly, and you get strange inductees. Also, you get a 6 hour 'show' in which most inductees are kind of drowned out by one another. Slow down the inductions, make it more special. Have a bigger "set" for each perhaps, along with special guests. Have a more in-depth "behind the music" style introduction. Less act getting in, would add a lot of quality to both the honor as well as the 'show'. I dont mind hip-hop/rap as part of it, because, generally, I am a fan of the pre-2000-ish era of this. Rock and Rap share common grandparents. Maybe create a "wing" of it?
I finally watched it. I thought Snoop Dogg had the best induction speech. He start off a bit weak, but when it started to get personal, his speech really came to life. He did a really good job. I was never into the Hip Hop scene, so I didn't much about it. It's 20 years later and I'm feeling bad for Snoop Dogg losing one of his best friends.
The PJ induction was pretty good. Letterman's speech was ok. Dave Krusen really tried to stay out of the spotlight... lol. It was cool seeing him drum and seeing jack drum a bit on RiTFW. The crowd definitely had PJ bias
It would of been cool to see an unedited proshot copy one day. It's too bad that no hackers were able to grab the raw satellite feed or something
Edit: In regards to the RRoH inducting hip hop bands. I'm on the fence. I agree it's the "Rock" hall of fame, why induct other genres? On the other hand rock's last big explosion was in the 90's. Hip Hop kind of took the torch in the mid/later 90's as we got the clones of the PJ clones. If they don't induct other genres, they might run out of headliners to induct.
I thought Snoop's speech was possibly the highlight of the night. PJ's set was awesome too... its rare that they induct bands who are still on (or near the) top of their game.
As far as swearing... Part of Rock is expression. If its too loud, you're too old.
It would be cool if the "Hall of Fame" would be formatted a bit differently. Inducting that many acts every year drains the well pretty quickly, and you get strange inductees. Also, you get a 6 hour 'show' in which most inductees are kind of drowned out by one another. Slow down the inductions, make it more special. Have a bigger "set" for each perhaps, along with special guests. Have a more in-depth "behind the music" style introduction. Less act getting in, would add a lot of quality to both the honor as well as the 'show'. I dont mind hip-hop/rap as part of it, because, generally, I am a fan of the pre-2000-ish era of this. Rock and Rap share common grandparents. Maybe create a "wing" of it?
I was thinking the same thing with the number of inductees. No need to rush so many through every year. Three artists/groups every year with an honorary tribute to a late great would be perfect. As for the rap or other musics genres, I think inducting those with mass influence as an honoree would be fitting. Tupac was a baffling selection to me merely because I didn't/don't see his influence to rock. Great rap artist and some of the best music of the 90's, but I'm missing the impact there as opposed to some of the previously mentioned cross genre artists.
It's unfortunate and ludicrous that they have to clip performances of a music hall of fame induction because they don't have enough time. That's like the TV network cutting the game because it's past the allotted time slot it was meant to fit in. Figure out how to let people see the event! This is a pre-recorded show and not even live.
This is like flashbacks to that forever missing video/audio of PJ playing out Letterman with Leaving Here back in '96 . Still disappointed to this day that the video hasn't surfaced. Anyway, I digress...
THAT is why Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Tupac are in the Rock Hall of Fame. Not because their music is rock, but because their music has had an impact on rock. This is a point that is MISunderstood year after year after year.
^^^this^^^
Ice Cube addressed this last year; I think he's spot on: "You goddamn right we rock and roll. Rock and roll is not an instrument, rock and roll is not even a style of music. Rock and roll is a spirit. It’s a spirit. It’s been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, R&B, rock and roll, heavy metal, punk rock, and yes, hip-hop. And what connects us all is that spirit. That’s what connects us all, that spirit. Rock and roll is not conforming to the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and in life.”
I was there and loved Tupac's segment, I think it fit the evening perfectly.
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I was there and loved Tupac's segment, I think it fit the evening perfectly.
I was there too... and completely agree with you!! Absolutely loved Snoop Dogg's induction speech... and thought Dhani Harrison was GREAT too!! This isn't going to be a popular comment, but I think they could've edited more of Ed's speech. Jeff won the night for me with his "This is for every small town kid who has a dream" line!! I really didn't need to see all of yet another all-star version of Rockin' In The Free World either... especially since Uncle Neil wasn't there!!
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I was there and loved Tupac's segment, I think it fit the evening perfectly.
I was there too... and completely agree with you!! Absolutely loved Snoop Dogg's induction speech... and thought Dhani Harrison was GREAT too!! This isn't going to be a popular comment, but I think they could've edited more of Ed's speech. Jeff won the night for me with his "This is for every small town kid who has a dream" line!! I really didn't need to see all of yet another all-star version of Rockin' In The Free World either... especially since Uncle Neil wasn't there!!
Agreed on Dhani Harrison. He was completely charming. And I had totally forgotten about the friendship between his dad and Jeff Lynne so I enjoyed the ELO video clips.
I was there and loved Tupac's segment, I think it fit the evening perfectly.
I was there too... and completely agree with you!! Absolutely loved Snoop Dogg's induction speech... and thought Dhani Harrison was GREAT too!! This isn't going to be a popular comment, but I think they could've edited more of Ed's speech. Jeff won the night for me with his "This is for every small town kid who has a dream" line!! I really didn't need to see all of yet another all-star version of Rockin' In The Free World either... especially since Uncle Neil wasn't there!!
It's like we share a brain... I agree with so much of what you're saying, tweedy.
Loved Snoop's speech. It was funny and touching. I had no idea he and Tupac were so close. I wasn't a huge Tupac fan, except for the radio hits, and especially When My Homie Calls. The musical tribute was interesting and creative in featuring Alicia Keys.
Maybe this is due to the editing, but Letterman's speech was too Ed-centric for me. I mean, there are other band members being inducted. Acknowledge them.
And I don't care if the RRHOF runs out of inductees; the rock purists can sit back and watch it fizzle out.
I was there and loved Tupac's segment, I think it fit the evening perfectly.
I was there too... and completely agree with you!! Absolutely loved Snoop Dogg's induction speech... and thought Dhani Harrison was GREAT too!! This isn't going to be a popular comment, but I think they could've edited more of Ed's speech. Jeff won the night for me with his "This is for every small town kid who has a dream" line!! I really didn't need to see all of yet another all-star version of Rockin' In The Free World either... especially since Uncle Neil wasn't there!!
Finally got around to watching bits of it last night - though I basically fast-forwarded through most if it just to watch pieces of a couple performances.
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If only someone from the band took the time to clear up the Sun or Star thing in their speech.
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THAT is why Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, and Tupac are in the Rock Hall of Fame. Not because their music is rock, but because their music has had an impact on rock. This is a point that is MISunderstood year after year after year.
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That's what I was referring to as classless. Now Run DMC, I like, they did that tune with Aerosmith and I get it why they are in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
1) It's a 6+ hour event cut down into a 3 hour television show. Of course shit is gonna be edited. Heavily at that.
2) We're all here because we love Pearl Jam, but this was not a night for only Pearl Jam. Respect the other artists who were being celebrated. I personally felt the show still favored PJ over the other bands, but of course people here aren't satsified.
3) Rap is music, has its roots in blues, jazz, dance, & rock. And Tupac is the greatest ever.
If not it would be wonderful if they released the complete, edit free, Pearl Jam R&RHOF Ceremony on Blu-ray then. *crossing fingers
I would have liked to re-visit the entire Rick Wakeman speech as well
Wetlands 91
CBGB 91
Roseland 91
and many, many more
The PJ induction was pretty good. Letterman's speech was ok. Dave Krusen really tried to stay out of the spotlight... lol. It was cool seeing him drum and seeing jack drum a bit on RiTFW. The crowd definitely had PJ bias
It would of been cool to see an unedited proshot copy one day. It's too bad that no hackers were able to grab the raw satellite feed or something
Edit: In regards to the RRoH inducting hip hop bands. I'm on the fence. I agree it's the "Rock" hall of fame, why induct other genres? On the other hand rock's last big explosion was in the 90's. Hip Hop kind of took the torch in the mid/later 90's as we got the clones of the PJ clones. If they don't induct other genres, they might run out of headliners to induct.
Well to those who complain, there's a Hip Hop Hall of Fame. http://hiphophof.tv/ . Maybe you should push a vote & include Slayer into the Hip Hop Hall of Fame, being they released this amazing track with Ice T.
Slayer has been snubbed 8 times from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Hip Hop Hall of Fame should totally induct Slayer this year.
As far as swearing... Part of Rock is expression. If its too loud, you're too old.
It would be cool if the "Hall of Fame" would be formatted a bit differently. Inducting that many acts every year drains the well pretty quickly, and you get strange inductees. Also, you get a 6 hour 'show' in which most inductees are kind of drowned out by one another. Slow down the inductions, make it more special. Have a bigger "set" for each perhaps, along with special guests. Have a more in-depth "behind the music" style introduction. Less act getting in, would add a lot of quality to both the honor as well as the 'show'.
I dont mind hip-hop/rap as part of it, because, generally, I am a fan of the pre-2000-ish era of this. Rock and Rap share common grandparents. Maybe create a "wing" of it?
It's unfortunate and ludicrous that they have to clip performances of a music hall of fame induction because they don't have enough time. That's like the TV network cutting the game because it's past the allotted time slot it was meant to fit in. Figure out how to let people see the event! This is a pre-recorded show and not even live.
This is like flashbacks to that forever missing video/audio of PJ playing out Letterman with Leaving Here back in '96
Ice Cube addressed this last year; I think he's spot on:
"You goddamn right we rock and roll. Rock and roll is not an instrument, rock and roll is not even a style of music. Rock and roll is a spirit. It’s a spirit. It’s been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, R&B, rock and roll, heavy metal, punk rock, and yes, hip-hop. And what connects us all is that spirit. That’s what connects us all, that spirit. Rock and roll is not conforming to the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and in life.”
I was there and loved Tupac's segment, I think it fit the evening perfectly.
2010 - NY 2
2012 - Music Midtown
2013 - Charlotte, LA 1, LA 2, Wrigley
2014 - St Louis, ACL Fest 2
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Columbia, Ottawa, Toronto, Fenway 1, Fenway 2, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2, San Fran 2 (TOTD), LA (TOTD)
2017 - Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction
2018 - London 1, London 2, Padova, Seattle 2, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2
2021 - Ohana 1
2022 - Las Vegas, Nashville, St. Louis
2023 - St. Paul 1, St. Paul 2, Chicago 1, Chicago 2, Noblesville
Just ask my man Sam Sever.
LL Cool J should have gone in before Tupac. Davy D, too.
and completely agree with you!!
Absolutely loved Snoop Dogg's induction speech...
and thought Dhani Harrison was GREAT too!!
This isn't going to be a popular comment,
but I think they could've edited more of Ed's speech.
Jeff won the night for me with his
"This is for every small town kid who has a dream" line!!
I really didn't need to see all of yet another all-star version of Rockin' In The Free World either...
especially since Uncle Neil wasn't there!!
'98: Seattle: Memorial Stadium 1 & 2
'00: Columbus: Polaris
'03: Columbus: Germain
'10: Columbus: Nationwide Arena
'11: East Troy: Alpine Valley - PJ20 1 & 2 + EV Detroit
'12: Missoula + EV Jacksonville 1 & 2
'13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle
'14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline
'15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival
'16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2
'17: Brooklyn - Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
'18: London 1 & 2 / Seattle 1 & 2 / Missoula / Wrigley 1
'22: Nashville / St. Louis
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Loved Snoop's speech. It was funny and touching. I had no idea he and Tupac were so close. I wasn't a huge Tupac fan, except for the radio hits, and especially When My Homie Calls. The musical tribute was interesting and creative in featuring Alicia Keys.
Maybe this is due to the editing, but Letterman's speech was too Ed-centric for me. I mean, there are other band members being inducted. Acknowledge them.
And I don't care if the RRHOF runs out of inductees; the rock purists can sit back and watch it fizzle out.
Finally got around to watching bits of it last night - though I basically fast-forwarded through most if it just to watch pieces of a couple performances.
Joan Baez - can't get enough of her. Such a great human being. Yes, Journey, all great.
Pearl Jam - Killed it. Shit. When's the next tour?!?!?!?!
I'll sit down this weekend and watch everything.
Vancouver 12.04.2013 | Seattle 12.06.2013 | Memphis 10.14.2014 | Quebec City 05.05.2016 | Ottawa 05.08.2016 | Toronto 05.11.2016 | Boston 08.05.2016 | Boston 08.07.2016 | Amsterdam 06.12.2018 | Boston 09.02.2018 | Boston 09.04.2018
from Examination / Blue Leach
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
"I know someday you'll be a STAR in somebody else's sky but why why why can't it be can't it beeeee mineeeee ahah ah"
vs.
"I know someday you'll be the SUN in somebody else's sky but why why why can't it be can't it beeeee mineeeee ahah ah"