A third party arbitrator could handle that rather easily.
A third party arbitrator credentialed, overseen and regulated by, you don't say, government? Or, jeezelbub from over yonder?
Yup. And also the arbitrators decision would be enforced by who? Although based on the previous post about the "engineer", maybe arbitrator is a fight promoter who will host the backyard rasslin' match.
Clearly you are confused about that engineer post and are missing the point. Do you work for govt?
Most people, when they feel something is blatantly obvious, but numerous around them feel that you are abundantly misunderstood, will opt to either explain or rethink. You elect to do neither regularly.
Your opinion is that government has undue influence over its citizens. You somehow claim that regulatory bodies are not just corrupt or overtly comprehensive, but wholly unnecessary. How do you go to an engineer in the absence of regulatory bodies, and expect a base level of results with due analysis ensured to prevent harm?
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A third party arbitrator could handle that rather easily.
A third party arbitrator credentialed, overseen and regulated by, you don't say, government? Or, jeezelbub from over yonder?
Yup. And also the arbitrators decision would be enforced by who? Although based on the previous post about the "engineer", maybe arbitrator is a fight promoter who will host the backyard rasslin' match.
Clearly you are confused about that engineer post and are missing the point. Do you work for govt?
Most people, when they feel something is blatantly obvious, but numerous around them feel that you are abundantly misunderstood, will opt to either explain or rethink. You elect to do neither regularly.
Your opinion is that government has undue influence over its citizens. You somehow claim that regulatory bodies are not just corrupt or overtly comprehensive, but wholly unnecessary. How do you go to an engineer in the absence of regulatory bodies, and expect a base level of results with due analysis ensured to prevent harm?
LOL,
It doesn't take an engineer to see that a yellow light is too short, but all of you and your beloved govt wants to prosecute him because of his claim to be an engineer all the while the yellow light is still too short.
A third party arbitrator could handle that rather easily.
A third party arbitrator credentialed, overseen and regulated by, you don't say, government? Or, jeezelbub from over yonder?
Yup. And also the arbitrators decision would be enforced by who? Although based on the previous post about the "engineer", maybe arbitrator is a fight promoter who will host the backyard rasslin' match.
Clearly you are confused about that engineer post and are missing the point. Do you work for govt?
Most people, when they feel something is blatantly obvious, but numerous around them feel that you are abundantly misunderstood, will opt to either explain or rethink. You elect to do neither regularly.
Your opinion is that government has undue influence over its citizens. You somehow claim that regulatory bodies are not just corrupt or overtly comprehensive, but wholly unnecessary. How do you go to an engineer in the absence of regulatory bodies, and expect a base level of results with due analysis ensured to prevent harm?
A third party arbitrator could handle that rather easily.
A third party arbitrator credentialed, overseen and regulated by, you don't say, government? Or, jeezelbub from over yonder?
Yup. And also the arbitrators decision would be enforced by who? Although based on the previous post about the "engineer", maybe arbitrator is a fight promoter who will host the backyard rasslin' match.
Clearly you are confused about that engineer post and are missing the point. Do you work for govt?
Most people, when they feel something is blatantly obvious, but numerous around them feel that you are abundantly misunderstood, will opt to either explain or rethink. You elect to do neither regularly.
Your opinion is that government has undue influence over its citizens. You somehow claim that regulatory bodies are not just corrupt or overtly comprehensive, but wholly unnecessary. How do you go to an engineer in the absence of regulatory bodies, and expect a base level of results with due analysis ensured to prevent harm?
LOL,
It doesn't take an engineer to see that a yellow light is too short, but all of you and your beloved govt wants to prosecute him because of his claim to be an engineer all the while the yellow light is still too short.
A third party arbitrator could handle that rather easily.
A third party arbitrator credentialed, overseen and regulated by, you don't say, government? Or, jeezelbub from over yonder?
Yup. And also the arbitrators decision would be enforced by who? Although based on the previous post about the "engineer", maybe arbitrator is a fight promoter who will host the backyard rasslin' match.
Clearly you are confused about that engineer post and are missing the point. Do you work for govt?
No, you are missing the blatantly obvious point being made
Oh, no, you guys have made it abundantly clear and prove my point with every response.
Something keeping you down this morning, Unsung?
the government.
The worst of times..they don't phase me, even if I look and act really crazy.
A third party arbitrator could handle that rather easily.
A third party arbitrator credentialed, overseen and regulated by, you don't say, government? Or, jeezelbub from over yonder?
Yup. And also the arbitrators decision would be enforced by who? Although based on the previous post about the "engineer", maybe arbitrator is a fight promoter who will host the backyard rasslin' match.
Clearly you are confused about that engineer post and are missing the point. Do you work for govt?
Most people, when they feel something is blatantly obvious, but numerous around them feel that you are abundantly misunderstood, will opt to either explain or rethink. You elect to do neither regularly.
Your opinion is that government has undue influence over its citizens. You somehow claim that regulatory bodies are not just corrupt or overtly comprehensive, but wholly unnecessary. How do you go to an engineer in the absence of regulatory bodies, and expect a base level of results with due analysis ensured to prevent harm?
LOL,
It doesn't take an engineer to see that a yellow light is too short, but all of you and your beloved govt wants to prosecute him because of his claim to be an engineer all the while the yellow light is still too short.
If it doesn't take an engineer to figure it out, maybe he shouldn't have said he's an engineer.
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This is where we are all so far apart.
Everyone can see that the yellow light is too short.
I prefer to get the yellow light fixed.
Your side prefers to punish the guy that claimed to be an engineer because he is doing something (speaking on a technical topic) without government permission and possibly lowering government revenue by bringing up the short light.
So in the end I am worried about safety and people keeping their money, your side is worried about government losing a revenue source and licensing.
People who claim to be engineers, or doctors, or pilots, or a host of other professions that need technical skills, have the potential to cause immense harm if they don't have the training and expertise that they claim to have. So in the end I am worried about safety, too; I think that's the argument being made here.
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Everyone can see that the yellow light is too short.
I prefer to get the yellow light fixed.
Your side prefers to punish the guy that claimed to be an engineer because he is doing something (speaking on a technical topic) without government permission and possibly lowering government revenue by bringing up the short light.
So in the end I am worried about safety and people keeping their money, your side is worried about government losing a revenue source and licensing.
Where it falls apart is you viewing things too black and white. No one said the guy didn't uave a valid point. I'm a proponent of looking at the light timing and giving the guy consequences for misrepresenting himself.
Everyone can see that the yellow light is too short.
I prefer to get the yellow light fixed.
Your side prefers to punish the guy that claimed to be an engineer because he is doing something (speaking on a technical topic) without government permission and possibly lowering government revenue by bringing up the short light.
So in the end I am worried about safety and people keeping their money, your side is worried about government losing a revenue source and licensing.
You're seeing things that aren't there, as no one but you is talking about government revenue streams. It's no more complex than this. There are two topics:
1. Traffic light timings can be improved 2. People who use the fact that they are an engineer to justify their opinions, should be engineers
Most people here have said the same thing that you won't listen to, which is that this man could have come forward with this concept without misrepresenting himself. I do not see the chain of causality which leads you to condemn the government for insisting on honest representation when it comes to professional titles which people study and practice for years to attain.
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Great. Try to let the government know, and probably best not to claim you're an engineer. It might even be worth having a qualified person check your data first too.
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Looks like he was fined for saying he was an engineer when he wasn't.
Seriously?
I have an engineering degree (2 of them) but I am not a PE (licensed professional engineer) cause my work doesn't benefit from it. Someone doing their own research and sending an email with "Engineer" it is isn't violating any law. Hell - my facebook, resume, etc all would be violating the law.
It only matters for certifying things like structural components, etc. They clearly are a bunch of asshats. Now, I don't know the full story so maybe he has done more to piss them off, but this is a childish response.
Great. Try to let the government know, and probably best not to claim you're an engineer. It might even be worth having a qualified person check your data first too.
Really? a qualified person to check your stop watch? Y'all have lost your minds. The need is so great for your (the general your) side to be right that even when presented with something that is a no brainer, we still fight on! that is why we are where we are and why we have the elected officials we have.
I personally think its ok to be for having a government and still pointing out when those in the government are being just stupid and abusing their power.
Great. Try to let the government know, and probably best not to claim you're an engineer. It might even be worth having a qualified person check your data first too.
Really? a qualified person to check your stop watch? Y'all have lost your minds. The need is so great for your (the general your) side to be right that even when presented with something that is a no brainer, we still fight on! that is why we are where we are and why we have the elected officials we have.
I personally think its ok to be for having a government and still pointing out when those in the government are being just stupid and abusing their power.
Yes, a qualified person. You're grossly oversimplifying traffic signal timings, as each light phase is optimized in conjunction with those immediately neighbouring it. This is substantially more involved than using a stopwatch to arbitrarily decide that a) the phase should be extended, and b) the specific amount the phase should be extended by. In two engineering degrees, I would've hoped they'd have covered causality and risk mitigation. They did in the one engineering degree I earned - including our course on traffic signal optimization.
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Great. Try to let the government know, and probably best not to claim you're an engineer. It might even be worth having a qualified person check your data first too.
Really? a qualified person to check your stop watch? Y'all have lost your minds. The need is so great for your (the general your) side to be right that even when presented with something that is a no brainer, we still fight on! that is why we are where we are and why we have the elected officials we have.
I personally think its ok to be for having a government and still pointing out when those in the government are being just stupid and abusing their power.
Yes, a qualified person. You're grossly oversimplifying traffic signal timings, as each light phase is optimized in conjunction with those immediately neighbouring it. This is substantially more involved than using a stopwatch to arbitrarily decide that a) the phase should be extended, and b) the specific amount the phase should be extended by. In two engineering degrees, I would've hoped they'd have covered causality and risk mitigation. They did in the one engineering degree I earned - including our course on traffic signal optimization.
Yes I'm oversimplifying it, but this is just a study...no need for an PE license to perform a study. I have plenty of experience with risk thanks for the underhanded dig. Oh - I took a traffic engineering course too...long ago. Easiest engineering class I had. I only brought up the engineering degrees because I still refer to myself as an engineer (heck, it's been in my job titles) despite not having a PE. Now, I wouldn't ever claim to be a PE. But this was a guy's email...this is nuts.
Looks like he was fined for saying he was an engineer when he wasn't.
Seriously?
I have an engineering degree (2 of them) but I am not a PE (licensed professional engineer) cause my work doesn't benefit from it. Someone doing their own research and sending an email with "Engineer" it is isn't violating any law. Hell - my facebook, resume, etc all would be violating the law.
It only matters for certifying things like structural components, etc. They clearly are a bunch of asshats. Now, I don't know the full story so maybe he has done more to piss them off, but this is a childish response.
If it's not violating any law, then someone who calls themself a lawyer could take them to court.
Looks like he was fined for saying he was an engineer when he wasn't.
Seriously?
I have an engineering degree (2 of them) but I am not a PE (licensed professional engineer) cause my work doesn't benefit from it. Someone doing their own research and sending an email with "Engineer" it is isn't violating any law. Hell - my facebook, resume, etc all would be violating the law.
It only matters for certifying things like structural components, etc. They clearly are a bunch of asshats. Now, I don't know the full story so maybe he has done more to piss them off, but this is a childish response.
According to the article there is a difference between an engineering degree and an engineer. That would be like someone who finishes law school calling himself a lawyer. There are required certificates and exams to become a lawyer, even if you have a law degree. Now you may be more than capable of offering legal advice with a law degree, but you cannot present yourself as a lawyer until you pass the bar exam and get the proper license. And if your job doesn't require a PE and the employees working on the project aren't licensed, I am willing to bet they don't advertise themselves as a licensed engineer. That is like an unlicensed plumber will call himself a "handyman" because he doesn't have a plumber's license where it is required. Selling yourself as a plumber would be illegal if you don't have the proper credentials. But calling yourself a handyman who has experience with and willing to work on plumbing is fine (depending on the job).
Looks like he was fined for saying he was an engineer when he wasn't.
Seriously?
I have an engineering degree (2 of them) but I am not a PE (licensed professional engineer) cause my work doesn't benefit from it. Someone doing their own research and sending an email with "Engineer" it is isn't violating any law. Hell - my facebook, resume, etc all would be violating the law.
It only matters for certifying things like structural components, etc. They clearly are a bunch of asshats. Now, I don't know the full story so maybe he has done more to piss them off, but this is a childish response.
According to the article there is a difference between an engineering degree and an engineer. That would be like someone who finishes law school calling himself a lawyer. There are required certificates and exams to become a lawyer, even if you have a law degree. Now you may be more than capable of offering legal advice with a law degree, but you cannot present yourself as a lawyer until you pass the bar exam and get the proper license. And if your job doesn't require a PE and the employees working on the project aren't licensed, I am willing to bet they don't advertise themselves as a licensed engineer. That is like an unlicensed plumber will call himself a "handyman" because he doesn't have a plumber's license where it is required. Selling yourself as a plumber would be illegal if you don't have the proper credentials. But calling yourself a handyman who has experience with and willing to work on plumbing is fine (depending on the job).
I know the difference. He didn't put PE behind his name he referred to himself as an engineer. Basically everyone does that...it's pretty petty.
For some people in this country, and on this site as well, the most terrifying words in the English language are..
"I’m from the government and I’m here to help."
Have you ever been in that situation?
Which situation are you referring to?
When someone from the government comes to help? They are great sometimes and awful other time
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Just to clarify - I am very aware that someone that isn't a PE representing themselves as such is against the law. I just think it was extremely silly in this case. He wasn't selling his services to the public. Just very petty.
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Great. Try to let the government know, and probably best not to claim you're an engineer. It might even be worth having a qualified person check your data first too.
Really? a qualified person to check your stop watch? Y'all have lost your minds. The need is so great for your (the general your) side to be right that even when presented with something that is a no brainer, we still fight on! that is why we are where we are and why we have the elected officials we have.
I personally think its ok to be for having a government and still pointing out when those in the government are being just stupid and abusing their power.
Yes, a qualified person. You're grossly oversimplifying traffic signal timings, as each light phase is optimized in conjunction with those immediately neighbouring it. This is substantially more involved than using a stopwatch to arbitrarily decide that a) the phase should be extended, and b) the specific amount the phase should be extended by. In two engineering degrees, I would've hoped they'd have covered causality and risk mitigation. They did in the one engineering degree I earned - including our course on traffic signal optimization.
Most are run by PLC's, of which I am fully capable of programming.
Looks like he was fined for saying he was an engineer when he wasn't.
Seriously?
I have an engineering degree (2 of them) but I am not a PE (licensed professional engineer) cause my work doesn't benefit from it. Someone doing their own research and sending an email with "Engineer" it is isn't violating any law. Hell - my facebook, resume, etc all would be violating the law.
It only matters for certifying things like structural components, etc. They clearly are a bunch of asshats. Now, I don't know the full story so maybe he has done more to piss them off, but this is a childish response.
According to the article there is a difference between an engineering degree and an engineer. That would be like someone who finishes law school calling himself a lawyer. There are required certificates and exams to become a lawyer, even if you have a law degree. Now you may be more than capable of offering legal advice with a law degree, but you cannot present yourself as a lawyer until you pass the bar exam and get the proper license. And if your job doesn't require a PE and the employees working on the project aren't licensed, I am willing to bet they don't advertise themselves as a licensed engineer. That is like an unlicensed plumber will call himself a "handyman" because he doesn't have a plumber's license where it is required. Selling yourself as a plumber would be illegal if you don't have the proper credentials. But calling yourself a handyman who has experience with and willing to work on plumbing is fine (depending on the job).
I know the difference. He didn't put PE behind his name he referred to himself as an engineer. Basically everyone does that...it's pretty petty.
I just reported you. Expect your fine to arrive in the mail in the next 3-5 business days. Just kidding. I would agree if they responded with a fine after the first letter, that would be very petty. I don't know much about engineering or PEs, but was just reading about it for a few minutes. So now I'm an expert. It seems like the laws vary state to state as to what is or isn't allowed by an unlicensed engineer. In many cases it seems there is a difference between signing something as "engineer" vs "PE." What why I dont feel sorry for him is he was asked to stop. They essentially told him based on his formal correspondence they inferred he was licensed. And since he was not to avoid using that title in this circumstance. That seems completely fair for a state that regulates this field of work, to also regulate who uses what title related to it. Seems fair that he was given a warning. Seems fair that when he ignored that warning he was fined not for impersonating an engineer, but practicing without a license. Because it seems like even formal investigative work in that state requires a PE seal, and to present his findings as a professional engineer broke that law.
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Your opinion is that government has undue influence over its citizens. You somehow claim that regulatory bodies are not just corrupt or overtly comprehensive, but wholly unnecessary. How do you go to an engineer in the absence of regulatory bodies, and expect a base level of results with due analysis ensured to prevent harm?
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It doesn't take an engineer to see that a yellow light is too short, but all of you and your beloved govt wants to prosecute him because of his claim to be an engineer all the while the yellow light is still too short.
even if I look and act really crazy.
Everyone can see that the yellow light is too short.
I prefer to get the yellow light fixed.
Your side prefers to punish the guy that claimed to be an engineer because he is doing something (speaking on a technical topic) without government permission and possibly lowering government revenue by bringing up the short light.
So in the end I am worried about safety and people keeping their money, your side is worried about government losing a revenue source and licensing.
1. Traffic light timings can be improved
2. People who use the fact that they are an engineer to justify their opinions, should be engineers
Most people here have said the same thing that you won't listen to, which is that this man could have come forward with this concept without misrepresenting himself. I do not see the chain of causality which leads you to condemn the government for insisting on honest representation when it comes to professional titles which people study and practice for years to attain.
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"I’m from the government and I’m here to help."
I have an engineering degree (2 of them) but I am not a PE (licensed professional engineer) cause my work doesn't benefit from it. Someone doing their own research and sending an email with "Engineer" it is isn't violating any law. Hell - my facebook, resume, etc all would be violating the law.
It only matters for certifying things like structural components, etc. They clearly are a bunch of asshats. Now, I don't know the full story so maybe he has done more to piss them off, but this is a childish response.
I personally think its ok to be for having a government and still pointing out when those in the government are being just stupid and abusing their power.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
And if your job doesn't require a PE and the employees working on the project aren't licensed, I am willing to bet they don't advertise themselves as a licensed engineer. That is like an unlicensed plumber will call himself a "handyman" because he doesn't have a plumber's license where it is required. Selling yourself as a plumber would be illegal if you don't have the proper credentials. But calling yourself a handyman who has experience with and willing to work on plumbing is fine (depending on the job).
After major flooding in 2013 in my city and neighborhood I had FEMA knock on my door and offer assistance.
Lucky for me I didn't need it. But appreciated the unsolicited offer.
And I don't need an engineering degree to do it.
Just kidding.
I would agree if they responded with a fine after the first letter, that would be very petty.
I don't know much about engineering or PEs, but was just reading about it for a few minutes. So now I'm an expert.
It seems like the laws vary state to state as to what is or isn't allowed by an unlicensed engineer. In many cases it seems there is a difference between signing something as "engineer" vs "PE."
What why I dont feel sorry for him is he was asked to stop. They essentially told him based on his formal correspondence they inferred he was licensed. And since he was not to avoid using that title in this circumstance. That seems completely fair for a state that regulates this field of work, to also regulate who uses what title related to it. Seems fair that he was given a warning. Seems fair that when he ignored that warning he was fined not for impersonating an engineer, but practicing without a license. Because it seems like even formal investigative work in that state requires a PE seal, and to present his findings as a professional engineer broke that law.
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Chlorpyrifos was slated to be banned by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency under the Obama administration, but in March that ban was canceled. The EPA said there wasn't enough solid evidence. Chlorpyrifos is reported to cause severe neurotoxic symptoms in humans if touched, inhaled, or eaten. It has been banned for residential use for more than 15 years, but can still be used in agriculture. Chlorpyrifos is manufactured by the AgroSciences division of Dow Chemical Company.