Feel the anyone that isn't Tumpary. I even like Johnson ffs. Besides, I don't agree on everything with Jill Stein. Apparently, she's another anti vaccine nutcase like Jenny McStupid.
If in fact she is anti vaccine, then there is zero chanel I vote for her. I'll have to research that.
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Feel the anyone that isn't Tumpary. I even like Johnson ffs. Besides, I don't agree on everything with Jill Stein. Apparently, she's another anti vaccine nutcase like Jenny McStupid.
If in fact she is anti vaccine, then there is zero chanel I vote for her. I'll have to research that.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/theres-probably-nothing-that-will-change-clinton-or-trump-supporters-minds/ In a study conducted in October,1 researchers presented 507 self-identified Republicans and 986 self-identified Democrats with actual things that Trump had said — some of which were true and some of which were false. The researchers might explain, for instance, that “Trump said that the MMR vaccine causes autism,” or they would simply present the assertion that “The MMR vaccine causes autism.” Then they asked people, “How much do you believe this statement?”
“If we told participants that it was Trump that said the misinformation, Republicans were much more likely to believe it and Democrats were much less likely to believe it,” said Briony Swire2, a Ph.D. candidate in cognitive psychology at the University of Western Australia, who conducted the study with colleagues at MIT and the University of Bristol.
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Feel the anyone that isn't Tumpary. I even like Johnson ffs. Besides, I don't agree on everything with Jill Stein. Apparently, she's another anti vaccine nutcase like Jenny McStupid.
Exactly why I think I've got a good chance of selling my signed Pat Paulsen book and LP record at the book fair this fall. Hell's bells I might even vote for the man and he's dead.
Feel the anyone that isn't Tumpary. I even like Johnson ffs. Besides, I don't agree on everything with Jill Stein. Apparently, she's another anti vaccine nutcase like Jenny McStupid.
If in fact she is anti vaccine, then there is zero chanel I vote for her. I'll have to research that.
she's a physician ... she understands vaccines and she also understands that medical system is corrupted by the same industrial complexes that permeate through defense and justice systems ...
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There are a few stories going around about Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein being anti-science, and worse, anti-vaccine. This is nothing but pro-Clinton fear mongering at best.
While I have written about the Green Party’s own trouble with science, mostly dealing with GMO labeling and homeopathy, the idea that Jill Stein, a medical doctor is anti-vaccine is ridiculous if you take more than ten seconds to read her own statement on the issue.
I don’t know if we have an “official” stance, but I can tell you my personal stance at this point. According to the most recent review of vaccination policies across the globe, mandatory vaccination that doesn’t allow for medical exemptions is practically unheard of. In most countries, people trust their regulatory agencies and have very high rates of vaccination through voluntary programs. In the US, however, regulatory agencies are routinely packed with corporate lobbyists and CEOs. So the foxes are guarding the chicken coop as usual in the US. So who wouldn’t be skeptical? I think dropping vaccinations rates that can and must be fixed in order to get at the vaccination issue: the widespread distrust of the medical-indsutrial (sic) complex.
Vaccines in general have made a huge contribution to public health. Reducing or eliminating devastating diseases like small pox and polio. In Canada, where I happen to have some numbers, hundreds of annual death from measles and whooping cough were eliminated after vaccines were introduced. Still, vaccines should be treated like any medical procedure–each one needs to be tested and regulated by parties that do not have a financial interest in them. In an age when industry lobbyists and CEOs are routinely appointed to key regulatory positions through the notorious revolving door, its no wonder many Americans don’t trust the FDA to be an unbiased source of sound advice.
Young 'uns should familiarize themselves with these two elections, and then realize Trump would be much, much worse than the candidate that won either of them:
Young 'uns should familiarize themselves with these two elections, and then realize Trump would be much, much worse than the candidate that won either of them:
Trump would certainly be worse than Perot or Nader, by a long shot. Trump would be slightly worse than HRC. In fact, Trump would be worse than me as president and I would totally suck at being president.
Stein on the other hand...
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
^^^ How could Trump be worse than you as president? Trump never changes his mind on candidates.
Irrelevant. I haven't changed my mind so much as the cards on the table changed. Bernie is out of it, Stein is in. Make sense, right?
Also, re your comment on Ayn Rand (can't find it again)- not a fan. She had strong biases against Native Americans. Nothing missing in my education there.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
So is this who the Bernie fans are now supporting .... maybe if all the Bernie fans got behind her from the get go this election would be interesting. Yes/No? Enough Bernie supporters around to at least make her a little relevent in the election, maybe. Ross Perot, relevent ...
I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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So is this who the Bernie fans are now supporting .... maybe if all the Bernie fans got behind her from the get go this election would be interesting. Yes/No? Enough Bernie supporters around to at least make her a little relevent in the election, maybe. Ross Perot, relevent ...
I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.
Personally, I liked Stein from the get-go but the thing is, the Green Party had very little chance of winning the presidency and Bernie did. I'm a bigger Stein supporter but liked Bernie enough such that when it looked like he had a shot at it, he was the one I supported. With him out of it, that leaves Stein. And yes, he did disappoint me. Maybe he's scared shitless like a lot of other people over the possibility of Trump winning.
"God, what a mess/ on the ladder of sucksess."
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
So is this who the Bernie fans are now supporting .... maybe if all the Bernie fans got behind her from the get go this election would be interesting. Yes/No? Enough Bernie supporters around to at least make her a little relevent in the election, maybe. Ross Perot, relevent ...
I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.
Personally, I liked Stein from the get-go but the thing is, the Green Party had very little chance of winning the presidency and Bernie did. I'm a bigger Stein supporter but liked Bernie enough such that when it looked like he had a shot at it, he was the one I supported. With him out of it, that leaves Stein. And yes, he did disappoint me. Maybe he's scared shitless like a lot of other people over the possibility of Trump winning.
"God, what a mess/ on the ladder of sucksess."
But now it looks like he never had a chance ... looks like they had their mind made up. To me that gives Trump the edge. He had powerful people in the Republican Party working against him and still got the nod ... maybe something was up, but it appears trump win was legit.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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So is this who the Bernie fans are now supporting .... maybe if all the Bernie fans got behind her from the get go this election would be interesting. Yes/No? Enough Bernie supporters around to at least make her a little relevent in the election, maybe. Ross Perot, relevent ...
I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.
Personally, I liked Stein from the get-go but the thing is, the Green Party had very little chance of winning the presidency and Bernie did. I'm a bigger Stein supporter but liked Bernie enough such that when it looked like he had a shot at it, he was the one I supported. With him out of it, that leaves Stein. And yes, he did disappoint me. Maybe he's scared shitless like a lot of other people over the possibility of Trump winning.
"God, what a mess/ on the ladder of sucksess."
But now it looks like he never had a chance ... looks like they had their mind made up. To me that gives Trump the edge. He had powerful people in the Republican Party working against him and still got the nod ... maybe something was up, but it appears trump win was legit.
If Sanders truly never had a chance then everything unsung has been telling us is true- and it very well may be. Bottom line is, if I'm going to vote I have to vote my conscience. Easier said than done.
Oh good gawd, more ibuprofen!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
the reality is that the majority of people can vote for jill stein without any real consequence ... only the people in swing states need to decide if voting strategically is something they want to do ...
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the reality is that the majority of people can vote for jill stein without any real consequence ... only the people in swing states need to decide if voting strategically is something they want to do ...
That makes sense.
Either way, I'm so disgusted with the whole mess. Trump is a joke. Clinton is almost as bad. I'm voting for Stein.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
the reality is that the majority of people can vote for jill stein without any real consequence ... only the people in swing states need to decide if voting strategically is something they want to do ...
That makes sense.
Either way, I'm so disgusted with the whole mess. Trump is a joke. Clinton is almost as bad. I'm voting for Stein.
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we will find a way, we will find our place
And she'll invite Edward Snowden to be on her cabinet. Wtf
In a study conducted in October,1 researchers presented 507 self-identified Republicans and 986 self-identified Democrats with actual things that Trump had said — some of which were true and some of which were false. The researchers might explain, for instance, that “Trump said that the MMR vaccine causes autism,” or they would simply present the assertion that “The MMR vaccine causes autism.” Then they asked people, “How much do you believe this statement?”
“If we told participants that it was Trump that said the misinformation, Republicans were much more likely to believe it and Democrats were much less likely to believe it,” said Briony Swire2, a Ph.D. candidate in cognitive psychology at the University of Western Australia, who conducted the study with colleagues at MIT and the University of Bristol.
if the majority of americans were capable of that - you wouldn't be left with Trump vs. Clinton ...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2016/07/sorry-clinton-supporters-but-jill-stein-is-not-an-anti-vaccine-presidential-candidate/
There are a few stories going around about Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein being anti-science, and worse, anti-vaccine. This is nothing but pro-Clinton fear mongering at best.
While I have written about the Green Party’s own trouble with science, mostly dealing with GMO labeling and homeopathy, the idea that Jill Stein, a medical doctor is anti-vaccine is ridiculous if you take more than ten seconds to read her own statement on the issue.
I don’t know if we have an “official” stance, but I can tell you my personal stance at this point. According to the most recent review of vaccination policies across the globe, mandatory vaccination that doesn’t allow for medical exemptions is practically unheard of. In most countries, people trust their regulatory agencies and have very high rates of vaccination through voluntary programs. In the US, however, regulatory agencies are routinely packed with corporate lobbyists and CEOs. So the foxes are guarding the chicken coop as usual in the US. So who wouldn’t be skeptical? I think dropping vaccinations rates that can and must be fixed in order to get at the vaccination issue: the widespread distrust of the medical-indsutrial (sic) complex.
Vaccines in general have made a huge contribution to public health. Reducing or eliminating devastating diseases like small pox and polio. In Canada, where I happen to have some numbers, hundreds of annual death from measles and whooping cough were eliminated after vaccines were introduced. Still, vaccines should be treated like any medical procedure–each one needs to be tested and regulated by parties that do not have a financial interest in them. In an age when industry lobbyists and CEOs are routinely appointed to key regulatory positions through the notorious revolving door, its no wonder many Americans don’t trust the FDA to be an unbiased source of sound advice.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2016/07/sorry-clinton-supporters-but-jill-stein-is-not-an-anti-vaccine-presidential-candidate/#sthash.aeEKhTR7.dpuf
we will find a way, we will find our place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_presidential_campaign,_1992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader_presidential_campaign,_2000
for the least they could possibly do
Stein on the other hand...
How could Trump be worse than you as president?
Trump never changes his mind on candidates.
Also, re your comment on Ayn Rand (can't find it again)- not a fan. She had strong biases against Native Americans. Nothing missing in my education there.
The cards may have changed but a bluff is a bluff.
Re Rand yeah you're right. Doesn't mean you have to be a fan though. You're at least edumacted and smrt enough to know of the writing.
I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"God, what a mess/ on the ladder of sucksess."
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Oh good gawd, more ibuprofen!
Either way, I'm so disgusted with the whole mess. Trump is a joke. Clinton is almost as bad. I'm voting for Stein.