I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.
waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
How about 6?
If you can't shoot your wild pig with 6.. then you shouldn't be shooting anything.
no six is just plain dumb. lots and lots of guns would be banned. (including my garand which one day you'll me shooting). i'm liking 15 for some reason. (maybe because that's the law i'm used to here in new jersey) pjpower, I guess we could grandfather all those 30 round mags? I was just trying to find some middle ground between ban and the status quo. here in nj our asshat legislators have all these new types of gun control bills ready for next week. first up is 15 to 10 round mags. I hate this state.
Lol.
Well call me plain dumb then.
I know it inconveniences you at the range, but think of the inconvenience the next mass shooter might experience.
Outside of inconvenience... what is the reason why six is just plain dumb?
The M1 Garand doesn't use a detachable magazine, it uses stripper clips right? SO if you only alloy 6 round mags, it wouldn't affect the Garand. The logic being you can reload a detachable mag much faster than a fixed mag, so there is not as big of a need to limit a fixed mag to something like only 6 rounds.
I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.
waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
How about 6?
If you can't shoot your wild pig with 6.. then you shouldn't be shooting anything.
no six is just plain dumb. lots and lots of guns would be banned. (including my garand which one day you'll me shooting). i'm liking 15 for some reason. (maybe because that's the law i'm used to here in new jersey) pjpower, I guess we could grandfather all those 30 round mags? I was just trying to find some middle ground between ban and the status quo. here in nj our asshat legislators have all these new types of gun control bills ready for next week. first up is 15 to 10 round mags. I hate this state.
Lol.
Well call me plain dumb then.
I know it inconveniences you at the range, but think of the inconvenience the next mass shooter might experience.
Outside of inconvenience... what is the reason why six is just plain dumb?
dumb ass. I actually think the federal courts said ten is the lowest you can go. don't quote me on that but it has to do with a ruling in regard to the "safe act" of new york state.
The M1 Garand doesn't use a detachable magazine, it uses stripper clips right? SO if you only alloy 6 round mags, it wouldn't affect the Garand. The logic being you can reload a detachable mag much faster than a fixed mag, so there is not as big of a need to limit a fixed mag to something like only 6 rounds.
enbloc clip...an sks would be a stripper clip. but I understand what you are saying.
I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.
waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
I think you can make them go away. Once they're banned, anyone that owns one should have to turn it in.
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I'm a liberal and I say no. Anything beyond a simple background check should never be allowed. Mental health, not guns, are the problem.
Yeah, and what you're saying is that those with mental health problems that lead to violence (let's remember that most mentally ill people are not violent) should continue to be able to buy guns, since a simple background check isn't going to stop them from doing so.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.
waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
How about 6?
If you can't shoot your wild pig with 6.. then you shouldn't be shooting anything.
no six is just plain dumb. lots and lots of guns would be banned. (including my garand which one day you'll me shooting). i'm liking 15 for some reason. (maybe because that's the law i'm used to here in new jersey) pjpower, I guess we could grandfather all those 30 round mags? I was just trying to find some middle ground between ban and the status quo. here in nj our asshat legislators have all these new types of gun control bills ready for next week. first up is 15 to 10 round mags. I hate this state.
Lol.
Well call me plain dumb then.
I know it inconveniences you at the range, but think of the inconvenience the next mass shooter might experience.
Outside of inconvenience... what is the reason why six is just plain dumb?
dumb ass. I actually think the federal courts said ten is the lowest you can go. don't quote me on that but it has to do with a ruling in regard to the "safe act" of new york state.
I guess 10 people murdered in under a minute is better than dozens.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.
waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
I think you can make them go away. Once they're banned, anyone that owns one should have to turn it in.
Zero way of that actually happening. How are you going to make people turn them in? How are you ever going to know who has them without door to door raids resulting in chaos? Do you favor door to door raids? If so, then let me know now so that I can disregard any of your future opinions.
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I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.
waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
Please note ,my response about this had nothing on banning any specific or type of weapon per se, but rather targeted the black market. I am not foolish enough to believe we will prevent all or even most of these horrific tragedies. But would be satisfied to severley reduce the number of guns on the streets. Because after all , isnt that where most of the gun violence resides? In the poorer neighborhoods. I want to eliminate the nonreporting of second sales or resales in my state. My belief if all sales had to be reported and logged as to trace a weapon later used in.a crime back to a seller we can greatly reduce the black market availablility.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.
waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
I think you can make them go away. Once they're banned, anyone that owns one should have to turn it in.
Zero way of that actually happening. How are you going to make people turn them in? How are you ever going to know who has them without door to door raids resulting in chaos? Do you favor door to door raids? If so, then let me know now so that I can disregard any of your future opinions.
I see little chance of them being banned completely. Also owners who just spent $1000 + on their new rifle won't willingly turn it in. if they did get banned they would most likely be grandfathered in, meaning you can keep yours, but can't buy or sell or transfer ownership of any. Which would take about 60 or 70 years for them to be officially be illegal, the time it takes for anyone owning one now to turn old and die. In the mean time they could require any assault rifle to be registered, to make sure it isn't illegally sold to someone and just claim they've had it for 20 years. Many wont register it of course, but then just treat it like owning an illegal handgun that isn't registered (since all handguns are registered when purchased, at least in my state, and possession of an unregistered hand gun is a crime, maybe even a felony?). But then again, someone who doesn't mind murdering 49 people probably wont be change his mind because now the assault rifle Is illegal too.
I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.
waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
I think you can make them go away. Once they're banned, anyone that owns one should have to turn it in.
Zero way of that actually happening. How are you going to make people turn them in? How are you ever going to know who has them without door to door raids resulting in chaos? Do you favor door to door raids? If so, then let me know now so that I can disregard any of your future opinions.
I didn't say by way of door to door raids. Obviously you can't force people to give their stuff to the government. There could be programs set up that allows the government to "pay" you to turn in a banned assault weapon.
I'm well aware that these guns, even if banned, will still be out there. You just have to hope that they don't end up on the hands of someone that wants to kill a lot of people.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
I didn't say by way of door to door raids. Obviously you can't force people to give their stuff to the government. There could be programs set up that allows the government to "pay" you to turn in a banned assault weapon.
I'm well aware that these guns, even if banned, will still be out there. You just have to hope that they don't end up on the hands of someone that wants to kill a lot of people.
Why stop at semi automatic rifles? Did the Virginia Tech shooting that killed 32 people and wounded 17 involve one of those scary black semi automatic rifles? NO!!!! The POS used a .22-caliber Walther P22 handgun and a 9 mm Glock 19 handgun.
If someone wants to carry out a terror act, or whatever you want to call it, mass murder, etc. They'll do it by any means possible. And there is a lot of ways it can be done without a gun. It isn't the guns people. When was the last time a gun picked it's self up and killed someone?
I didn't say by way of door to door raids. Obviously you can't force people to give their stuff to the government. There could be programs set up that allows the government to "pay" you to turn in a banned assault weapon.
I'm well aware that these guns, even if banned, will still be out there. You just have to hope that they don't end up on the hands of someone that wants to kill a lot of people.
Why stop at semi automatic rifles? Did the Virginia Tech shooting that killed 32 people and wounded 17 involve one of those scary black semi automatic rifles? NO!!!! The POS used a .22-caliber Walther P22 handgun and a 9 mm Glock 19 handgun.
If someone wants to carry out a terror act, or whatever you want to call it, mass murder, etc. They'll do it by any means possible. And there is a lot of ways it can be done without a gun. It isn't the guns people. When was the last time a gun picked it's self up and killed someone?
Kind of odd that you would say that there are a lot of ways that people can commit mass murder without guns, while using a gun example. Realistically there are few ways to commit mass killings without firearms. It's really difficult to get a lot of people to stand still while you knife them, for example. Poison? Possible, but pretty fiddly. But the important thing to remember is that most of the individuals who decide to commit these acts want to do it with guns. They want that shoot-em-up experience they fantasize about. If they couldn't access the guns to do it, it would be far less likely that they would choose another method.
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I didn't say by way of door to door raids. Obviously you can't force people to give their stuff to the government. There could be programs set up that allows the government to "pay" you to turn in a banned assault weapon.
I'm well aware that these guns, even if banned, will still be out there. You just have to hope that they don't end up on the hands of someone that wants to kill a lot of people.
Why stop at semi automatic rifles? Did the Virginia Tech shooting that killed 32 people and wounded 17 involve one of those scary black semi automatic rifles? NO!!!! The POS used a .22-caliber Walther P22 handgun and a 9 mm Glock 19 handgun.
If someone wants to carry out a terror act, or whatever you want to call it, mass murder, etc. They'll do it by any means possible. And there is a lot of ways it can be done without a gun. It isn't the guns people. When was the last time a gun picked it's self up and killed someone?
Kind of odd that you would say that there are a lot of ways that people can commit mass murder without guns, while using a gun example. Realistically there are few ways to commit mass killings without firearms. It's really difficult to get a lot of people to stand still while you knife them, for example. Poison? Possible, but pretty fiddly. But the important thing to remember is that most of the individuals who decide to commit these acts want to do it with guns. They want that shoot-em-up experience they fantasize about. If they couldn't access the guns to do it, it would be far less likely that they would choose another method.
I was referring to the VT shooting to banning semi automatic rifles "only". I won't go into the different ways someone could carry out horrific acts on the the internet. Look it up for yourself. There are a lot of mass killings done without guns around the world. It isn't as hard as you would think. Take all the guns, the crazy MF'ers will still find a way to carry out a act if they want.
I didn't say by way of door to door raids. Obviously you can't force people to give their stuff to the government. There could be programs set up that allows the government to "pay" you to turn in a banned assault weapon.
I'm well aware that these guns, even if banned, will still be out there. You just have to hope that they don't end up on the hands of someone that wants to kill a lot of people.
Why stop at semi automatic rifles? Did the Virginia Tech shooting that killed 32 people and wounded 17 involve one of those scary black semi automatic rifles? NO!!!! The POS used a .22-caliber Walther P22 handgun and a 9 mm Glock 19 handgun.
If someone wants to carry out a terror act, or whatever you want to call it, mass murder, etc. They'll do it by any means possible. And there is a lot of ways it can be done without a gun. It isn't the guns people. When was the last time a gun picked it's self up and killed someone?
Why stop at assault rifles is a weak argument. The point is is its a start. That's what we need. A starting point.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
Why stop at assault rifles is a weak argument. The point is is its a start. That's what we need. A starting point.
No it isn't at all. If you start with one, then your giving the Government an inch, then they'll take a mile. People need to wake up before your rights are taken from you. And not just only your gun rights!!
Why stop at assault rifles is a weak argument. The point is is its a start. That's what we need. A starting point.
No it isn't at all. If you start with one, then your giving the Government an inch, then they'll take a mile. People need to wake up before your rights are taken from you. And not just only your gun rights!!
Given all that followed gun legislation in other developed countries... I can see why you should express this concern.
Yes. Sarcasm.
Spin the argument: why limit to assault rifles? Why have a line at all? If you think there should be a line somewhere (lest bazookas find themselves in the hands of the wrong guy)... do you think you got it just right? Or do you think some tweaking might be in order?
35,000 deaths by gun per year as well as the biannual mass murder events of the grand variety lead me to think something needs to happen other than status quo.
Why stop at assault rifles is a weak argument. The point is is its a start. That's what we need. A starting point.
No it isn't at all. If you start with one, then your giving the Government an inch, then they'll take a mile. People need to wake up before your rights are taken from you. And not just only your gun rights!!
I don't remember them taking a mile during the last assault weapons ban.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
Why stop at assault rifles is a weak argument. The point is is its a start. That's what we need. A starting point.
No it isn't at all. If you start with one, then your giving the Government an inch, then they'll take a mile. People need to wake up before your rights are taken from you. And not just only your gun rights!!
I don't remember them taking a mile during the last assault weapons ban.
That was the mile!
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It IS a little ironic then that the paragon of conservattive republican virtue had a stance that was opposite of most other conservatives. As I recall NRA was onboard with the previous expirable ban, werent they? Otherwise how did it pass a GOP led house?
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
When there is a request for people to turn in weapons it is usually accompanied by a cash compensation plan so that people actually do it.
Well we have that little thing called the fifth amendment here in the USA
I agree, and since this thread is going in circles I will assert my 5th amendment right and remain silent.
I wouldn't say it has gone in circles.
If say it has gone a long way in a direction you don't care for. A landslide really, but with all respect- as strong an effort as could possibly be summoned though.
When there is a request for people to turn in weapons it is usually accompanied by a cash compensation plan so that people actually do it.
You think they'll give you market value? Ya right. Who will turn in their $1,500 + rifle for peanuts?
I didn't say that. I just said that there is usually cash back plan. How much cash depends on the particular program. A lot of the time the combination of wanting to abide by the law and getting some cash in their pockets acts as pretty decent motivation for a lot of people to turn in their illegal weapons even if they aren't getting market value.
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Well call me plain dumb then.
I know it inconveniences you at the range, but think of the inconvenience the next mass shooter might experience.
Outside of inconvenience... what is the reason why six is just plain dumb?
The logic being you can reload a detachable mag much faster than a fixed mag, so there is not as big of a need to limit a fixed mag to something like only 6 rounds.
I actually think the federal courts said ten is the lowest you can go. don't quote me on that but it has to do with a ruling in regard to the "safe act" of new york state.
enbloc clip...an sks would be a stripper clip. but I understand what you are saying.
we will find a way, we will find our place
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
FYI, Bernie supporters (and Bernie) don't think shit is free.
But then again, someone who doesn't mind murdering 49 people probably wont be change his mind because now the assault rifle Is illegal too.
I'm well aware that these guns, even if banned, will still be out there. You just have to hope that they don't end up on the hands of someone that wants to kill a lot of people.
we will find a way, we will find our place
If someone wants to carry out a terror act, or whatever you want to call it, mass murder, etc. They'll do it by any means possible. And there is a lot of ways it can be done without a gun. It isn't the guns people. When was the last time a gun picked it's self up and killed someone?
we will find a way, we will find our place
Yes. Sarcasm.
Spin the argument: why limit to assault rifles? Why have a line at all? If you think there should be a line somewhere (lest bazookas find themselves in the hands of the wrong guy)... do you think you got it just right? Or do you think some tweaking might be in order?
35,000 deaths by gun per year as well as the biannual mass murder events of the grand variety lead me to think something needs to happen other than status quo.
we will find a way, we will find our place
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
If say it has gone a long way in a direction you don't care for. A landslide really, but with all respect- as strong an effort as could possibly be summoned though.
http://www.progressivestoday.com/leftist-journalist-tries-buy-ar15-gets-denied-violent-past/