Could Binaural have been a 'classic' double LP?

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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,090
    Hitchhiker was also Binaural era wasn't it?
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  • pearldavidsonpearldavidson PA Posts: 1,356
    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20

    You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
    You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
    Put me in that 1% then. I love the studio version and I'm dying to hear it live.
  • pearldavidsonpearldavidson PA Posts: 1,356

    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20

    You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
    You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
    Put me in that 1% that loves "You Are" then. I love the studio version and I'm dying to hear it live.
  • pearldavidsonpearldavidson PA Posts: 1,356
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  • pearldavidsonpearldavidson PA Posts: 1,356
    Geeze I just had a shitload of technical difficulties with my last couple posts lol wtf
  • EarlWelshEarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,103

    Hitchhiker was also Binaural era wasn't it?

    I thought Yield.
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,719

    my2hands said:

    I am unaware of the original tracklisting

    from wikipedia:

    When the track listing for Binaural was first released in late March 2000, it was quite different from the final version.[52] Some tracks that were originally on the album were dropped and not released until the 2003 rarities compilation, Lost Dogs,[44] and "Gods' Dice" was added to the final version. The original version is as follows:

    "Breakerfall"
    "Insignificance"
    "Evacuation"
    "Letter to the Dead" (Later renamed to "Sad")
    "Rival"
    "Grievance"
    "Light Years"
    "Of the Girl"
    "Thin Air"
    "Nothing as It Seems"
    "Fatal"
    "Sleight of Hand"
    "Soon Forget"
    "In the Moonlight"
    "Parting Ways"
    "Education"
    I'm sorry but this track listing would have been atrocious.
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,719
    mcgruff10 said:

    With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20 and philly 1 this past year. after they played it at philly 1 Ed said something along the lines of "we shouldn't play that one again live." yea I understand some of you will defend these songs like you wrote them but realize 99% of the crowd listening to them will be checking their phones as they are being played.

    EV messed ITM up a bit in Philly (and admitted to it). Tampa had a much better version.
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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 12,625
    EarlWelsh said:

    Hitchhiker was also Binaural era wasn't it?

    I thought Yield.
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  • BettrMan21BettrMan21 Chattanooga,Tn Posts: 270
    edited May 2016
    Just checked YouTube and at Philly 1 after In the Moonlight Ed said "Fucked that up a little bit, sorry about that".
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,719

    Just checked YouTube and at Philly 1 after In the Moonlight Ed said "Fucked that up a little bit, sorry about that".

    Yep I'm listening to the boot now
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739

    Just checked YouTube and at Philly 1 after In the Moonlight Ed said "Fucked that up a little bit, sorry about that".

    It might have been off mic. ( I was pretty close)
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  • EnterThanmanEnterThanman London, ON Posts: 1,057

    People like me would probably say it would have been a stronger single LP if they left off Breakerfall, God's Dice, Thin Air and Evacuation.

    Whoa! Those are all very significant songs to that record.

    Binaural is perfect as is. The songs they left off are in my opinion weaker than the ones they left on, and the final tracklisting is perfection.
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  • EnterThanmanEnterThanman London, ON Posts: 1,057
    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20

    You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
    You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
    I'm alright with that. I'm there to hear PJ tunes I like, couldn't care less if the rest of the crowd isn't into it.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739

    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20

    You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
    You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
    I'm alright with that. I'm there to hear PJ tunes I like, couldn't care less if the rest of the crowd isn't into it.
    Yeah that s a typical hardcore pj fan response .
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  • SmallestOceansSmallestOceans Posts: 13,542

    Hitchhiker was also Binaural era wasn't it?

    I almost never listen to that song, but did today. What an underrated song! That drum break in the middle is real nice!!
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,755
    Hitchhiker is from the Binaural sessions
  • jp307677jp307677 Boston Posts: 415
    edited May 2016
    The last half of the original tracklist would have been one slow somber song after the other. Too much
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  • ED477ED477 Posts: 134
    The Binaural Deluxe double disc version floating around a couple years back was excellent. I recommend you look for it if you don't have it and are a fan of this album.
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Australia Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2016
    Agree with the OP. I think this was their moment to release a double LP. While I like the original content of the track listing the actual order of it probably wasn't the best.

    Could've been their 'white album' moment.

    Having said that I do like Binaural but maybe it was a missed opportunity?
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  • RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,622
    igotid88 said:

    I don't think they knew at the time they were going to release a b-sides and rarities album.

    They definitely knew they were doing a b-sides album, it was part of their original contract with Epic. They were obligated to do 7 albums, a b-sides album and a greatest hits album. But i doubt they'd save any material for a b-side album, Id assume every record they released included what they believed to be their strongest material.
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  • RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,622
    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20

    You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
    You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
    I'm with Mike on that. You Are is only interesting to those of us posting on the forum. 95% of the crowd is immediately on their phone checking facebook and the twitter machine when that song starts.
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  • weebleweeble Bristol, England Posts: 133
    Sad and In The Moonlight just doesn't sit right with me for some reason. I do like them, but they just don't sound like Pearl Jam to me, almost like they were covers or something. I'm kinda glad they didn't make it to the release.

    That said, Sleight of Hand is just weird, wouldn't have minded if they just left that one off and kept Fatal or something.

    Either way, it's a cracking album!! :)
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    ED477 said:

    The Binaural Deluxe double disc version floating around a couple years back was excellent. I recommend you look for it if you don't have it and are a fan of this album.

    I says PARDON????
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  • RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,622

    ED477 said:

    The Binaural Deluxe double disc version floating around a couple years back was excellent. I recommend you look for it if you don't have it and are a fan of this album.

    I says PARDON????
    Ha, easy.. It was just a fan made compilation with the lost dog tracks added in. Not an official release.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,712
    RS151862 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20

    You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
    You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
    I'm with Mike on that. You Are is only interesting to those of us posting on the forum. 95% of the crowd is immediately on their phone checking facebook and the twitter machine when that song starts.
    But can't that argument sorta be made for nearly every song from Riot Act, Avocado, and Backspacer? You're implying that "deep cuts" from the post-2000 albums (the least popular albums) only interest people obsessed with Pearl Jam right?

    Also, even though I get what you're trying to say, you're wrong about the "people posting on the forum" thing. I know a lot of "hardcore" fans that have been to many shows, want to hear their favorite rare songs (You Are for example), and have never once posted on this forum.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    RS151862 said:

    ED477 said:

    The Binaural Deluxe double disc version floating around a couple years back was excellent. I recommend you look for it if you don't have it and are a fan of this album.

    I says PARDON????
    Ha, easy.. It was just a fan made compilation with the lost dog tracks added in. Not an official release.
    oh. phew.
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    Cheers,

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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,490

    People like me would probably say it would have been a stronger single LP if they left off Breakerfall, God's Dice, Thin Air and Evacuation.

    Whoa! Those are all very significant songs to that record.

    Binaural is perfect as is. The songs they left off are in my opinion weaker than the ones they left on, and the final tracklisting is perfection.
    Thin Air is definitely b-side material in my book. I love 95% of the b-sides so I'm not saying this in a negative way.

    I think those three rock songs are the weakest on any of their albums (expect for Backspacer's GSMF and Supersonic). Great b-sides, songs that I would want to hear live, but not strong enough for an album...imo.
  • RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,622

    RS151862 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20

    You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
    You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
    I'm with Mike on that. You Are is only interesting to those of us posting on the forum. 95% of the crowd is immediately on their phone checking facebook and the twitter machine when that song starts.
    But can't that argument sorta be made for nearly every song from Riot Act, Avocado, and Backspacer? You're implying that "deep cuts" from the post-2000 albums (the least popular albums) only interest people obsessed with Pearl Jam right?

    Also, even though I get what you're trying to say, you're wrong about the "people posting on the forum" thing. I know a lot of "hardcore" fans that have been to many shows, want to hear their favorite rare songs (You Are for example), and have never once posted on this forum.
    I was just implying hardcore fans when I said people that post on the forum. I know a lot of huge fans don't post here.

    And yes, I think the majority of people at a PJ show are casual fans that aren't interested in rare songs. It's what's great about Ed, he manages to play all those huge songs people love and weave the rarities into the set that we love.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,937
    I'm not a big fan of Breakerfall but God's Dice is the shit. It's probably one of my top 10 overall

    I like Evacuation as well.
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