Making a Murderer (Crime-Docu similar to West Memphis Three case)

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,938
    https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville
    2003: Noblesville
    2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
    2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
    https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    What are the cliffs notes? I just finished the second season and I think he's got a great shot at getting out if this goes to a retrial. Lots of compelling evidence against him not being the killer...
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  • https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    What are the cliffs notes? I just finished the second season and I think he's got a great shot at getting out if this goes to a retrial. Lots of compelling evidence against him not being the killer...

    Yes. Do tell please!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,938
    https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    What are the cliffs notes? I just finished the second season and I think he's got a great shot at getting out if this goes to a retrial. Lots of compelling evidence against him not being the killer...
    A lot of it relates to Dassey's confession.  The documentary didn't provide a real complete story on that...they edit some of his interviews to make it look like he was innocent but the police had interviewed him several times and he confessed.  

    I'm pretty sure both Dassey and Avery talked about how they had been cleaning the garage that afternoon.  Dassey had bleach stains on his jeans that his mother noticed and talked about with police.  

    Avery had called Halbach two times before she showed up where he blocked the caller ID.  He then called her once around 445pm without using called ID.  Police assume he did this to try and attempt to put out a story that she had never shown up at his house.  He made 14 calls that day and only used called ID block on those two calls.

    Avery called AutoTrader on Nov 3 (Halbach was killed Oct 31) and told them that Halbach had never shown up ...he said that she had called him and left a message that she wouldn't be able to make it.  This is before the police found the car on his property, etc.  Just a few hours later, Avery told Colborn (from Sheriff's office) that he saw Halbach take the picture from his window but he never talked to her.  Avery's story changed the next day, he said he did talk to her and that she actually came in his trailer to get payment.

    Just a few of the many items discussed in the book
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville
    2003: Noblesville
    2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
    2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
  • https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    What are the cliffs notes? I just finished the second season and I think he's got a great shot at getting out if this goes to a retrial. Lots of compelling evidence against him not being the killer...
    A lot of it relates to Dassey's confession.  The documentary didn't provide a real complete story on that...they edit some of his interviews to make it look like he was innocent but the police had interviewed him several times and he confessed.  

    I'm pretty sure both Dassey and Avery talked about how they had been cleaning the garage that afternoon.  Dassey had bleach stains on his jeans that his mother noticed and talked about with police.  

    Avery had called Halbach two times before she showed up where he blocked the caller ID.  He then called her once around 445pm without using called ID.  Police assume he did this to try and attempt to put out a story that she had never shown up at his house.  He made 14 calls that day and only used called ID block on those two calls.

    Avery called AutoTrader on Nov 3 (Halbach was killed Oct 31) and told them that Halbach had never shown up ...he said that she had called him and left a message that she wouldn't be able to make it.  This is before the police found the car on his property, etc.  Just a few hours later, Avery told Colborn (from Sheriff's office) that he saw Halbach take the picture from his window but he never talked to her.  Avery's story changed the next day, he said he did talk to her and that she actually came in his trailer to get payment.

    Just a few of the many items discussed in the book

    Hmmm.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,938
    https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    What are the cliffs notes? I just finished the second season and I think he's got a great shot at getting out if this goes to a retrial. Lots of compelling evidence against him not being the killer...
    A lot of it relates to Dassey's confession.  The documentary didn't provide a real complete story on that...they edit some of his interviews to make it look like he was innocent but the police had interviewed him several times and he confessed.  

    I'm pretty sure both Dassey and Avery talked about how they had been cleaning the garage that afternoon.  Dassey had bleach stains on his jeans that his mother noticed and talked about with police.  

    Avery had called Halbach two times before she showed up where he blocked the caller ID.  He then called her once around 445pm without using called ID.  Police assume he did this to try and attempt to put out a story that she had never shown up at his house.  He made 14 calls that day and only used called ID block on those two calls.

    Avery called AutoTrader on Nov 3 (Halbach was killed Oct 31) and told them that Halbach had never shown up ...he said that she had called him and left a message that she wouldn't be able to make it.  This is before the police found the car on his property, etc.  Just a few hours later, Avery told Colborn (from Sheriff's office) that he saw Halbach take the picture from his window but he never talked to her.  Avery's story changed the next day, he said he did talk to her and that she actually came in his trailer to get payment.

    Just a few of the many items discussed in the book

    Hmmm.
    If this documentary interests you I highly recommend that book.

    As I said....I wish Zellner would have addressed those items.  I don't feel like she did.
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville
    2003: Noblesville
    2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
    2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
    https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    What are the cliffs notes? I just finished the second season and I think he's got a great shot at getting out if this goes to a retrial. Lots of compelling evidence against him not being the killer...
    A lot of it relates to Dassey's confession.  The documentary didn't provide a real complete story on that...they edit some of his interviews to make it look like he was innocent but the police had interviewed him several times and he confessed.  

    I'm pretty sure both Dassey and Avery talked about how they had been cleaning the garage that afternoon.  Dassey had bleach stains on his jeans that his mother noticed and talked about with police.  

    Avery had called Halbach two times before she showed up where he blocked the caller ID.  He then called her once around 445pm without using called ID.  Police assume he did this to try and attempt to put out a story that she had never shown up at his house.  He made 14 calls that day and only used called ID block on those two calls.

    Avery called AutoTrader on Nov 3 (Halbach was killed Oct 31) and told them that Halbach had never shown up ...he said that she had called him and left a message that she wouldn't be able to make it.  This is before the police found the car on his property, etc.  Just a few hours later, Avery told Colborn (from Sheriff's office) that he saw Halbach take the picture from his window but he never talked to her.  Avery's story changed the next day, he said he did talk to her and that she actually came in his trailer to get payment.

    Just a few of the many items discussed in the book

    Hmmm.
    If this documentary interests you I highly recommend that book.

    As I said....I wish Zellner would have addressed those items.  I don't feel like she did.
    Wouldn't the forensic evidence Zellner uncovered be more relevant than the stuff you mentioned though? 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 7,938
    https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    What are the cliffs notes? I just finished the second season and I think he's got a great shot at getting out if this goes to a retrial. Lots of compelling evidence against him not being the killer...
    A lot of it relates to Dassey's confession.  The documentary didn't provide a real complete story on that...they edit some of his interviews to make it look like he was innocent but the police had interviewed him several times and he confessed.  

    I'm pretty sure both Dassey and Avery talked about how they had been cleaning the garage that afternoon.  Dassey had bleach stains on his jeans that his mother noticed and talked about with police.  

    Avery had called Halbach two times before she showed up where he blocked the caller ID.  He then called her once around 445pm without using called ID.  Police assume he did this to try and attempt to put out a story that she had never shown up at his house.  He made 14 calls that day and only used called ID block on those two calls.

    Avery called AutoTrader on Nov 3 (Halbach was killed Oct 31) and told them that Halbach had never shown up ...he said that she had called him and left a message that she wouldn't be able to make it.  This is before the police found the car on his property, etc.  Just a few hours later, Avery told Colborn (from Sheriff's office) that he saw Halbach take the picture from his window but he never talked to her.  Avery's story changed the next day, he said he did talk to her and that she actually came in his trailer to get payment.

    Just a few of the many items discussed in the book

    Hmmm.
    If this documentary interests you I highly recommend that book.

    As I said....I wish Zellner would have addressed those items.  I don't feel like she did.
    Wouldn't the forensic evidence Zellner uncovered be more relevant than the stuff you mentioned though? 
    I think it all has to be considered.  But, as I said, I don't understand why Zellner wouldn't have addressed the items in that book.  

    Also....given that the book was written after the first documentary, and points out the omitted evidence that was significant, I am not sure what would have been left out of the second documentary.
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville
    2003: Noblesville
    2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville
    2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago
    2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1
    2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
    https://www.amazon.com/Indefensible-Missing-Steven-Halbach-Murderer/dp/0786041145

    I would highly recommend this book if this case interests you.  I was convinced that Avery was innocent after the first documentary.  Then, once I read this book, convinced of his guilt.

    Season 2 raises a lot of questions but one question I have is why doesn't the new attorney address any of the items in this book?  There were key facts that were not addressed in either season 1 or season 2.  
    What are the cliffs notes? I just finished the second season and I think he's got a great shot at getting out if this goes to a retrial. Lots of compelling evidence against him not being the killer...
    A lot of it relates to Dassey's confession.  The documentary didn't provide a real complete story on that...they edit some of his interviews to make it look like he was innocent but the police had interviewed him several times and he confessed.  

    I'm pretty sure both Dassey and Avery talked about how they had been cleaning the garage that afternoon.  Dassey had bleach stains on his jeans that his mother noticed and talked about with police.  

    Avery had called Halbach two times before she showed up where he blocked the caller ID.  He then called her once around 445pm without using called ID.  Police assume he did this to try and attempt to put out a story that she had never shown up at his house.  He made 14 calls that day and only used called ID block on those two calls.

    Avery called AutoTrader on Nov 3 (Halbach was killed Oct 31) and told them that Halbach had never shown up ...he said that she had called him and left a message that she wouldn't be able to make it.  This is before the police found the car on his property, etc.  Just a few hours later, Avery told Colborn (from Sheriff's office) that he saw Halbach take the picture from his window but he never talked to her.  Avery's story changed the next day, he said he did talk to her and that she actually came in his trailer to get payment.

    Just a few of the many items discussed in the book

    Hmmm.
    If this documentary interests you I highly recommend that book.

    As I said....I wish Zellner would have addressed those items.  I don't feel like she did.
    Wouldn't the forensic evidence Zellner uncovered be more relevant than the stuff you mentioned though? 
    I think it all has to be considered.  But, as I said, I don't understand why Zellner wouldn't have addressed the items in that book.  

    Also....given that the book was written after the first documentary, and points out the omitted evidence that was significant, I am not sure what would have been left out of the second documentary.
    Interesting....
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