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Indifference as a "closer"

buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
edited December 2015 in The Porch
I love this song and it is great live - but I do not think it should be used as a closer - especially with the lights on. It worked well when they play it as the last song on night one of a two night stand - see Amsterdam 2014 - but not so sure about Detroit 2014. Thoughts?
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    OceanInDisguise13OceanInDisguise13 Behind the sun Posts: 919
    I've seen it live as a closer at a few shows..I like it..
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    ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,964
    I like it as a closer
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    Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,060
    Love it. Great closer!
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    RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,625
    I like it too, leaves you wanting more.
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    red mosred mos Posts: 4,953
    edited December 2015
    I've gotten it as a closer twice. I like it. I will say that It would be cool to see like parting ways or all those yesterday's close out a show. The opening and closing songs have become somewhat predictable, but I enjoy the show either way.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,919
    I like it as a closer.

    My buddy who has been to eight shows yet somehow never gotten Yellow Ledbetter...he's all set with it.
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    wwsuicidewwsuicide Posts: 1,303
    Love it as a closer but leave the lights down maybe.
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    JUST A GIRLJUST A GIRL Posts: 372
    It should be an opener with zero lights on stage.
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    JUST A GIRL said:

    It should be an opener with zero lights on stage.

    yes
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    FoxyRedLaFoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    I'm having deja vu
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015
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    northerndragonnortherndragon somewhere, nowhere, anywhere Posts: 9,735
    JimmyV said:

    I like it as a closer.

    My buddy who has been to eight shows yet somehow never gotten Yellow Ledbetter...he's all set with it.

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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    northerndragon said:

    JimmyV said:

    I like it as a closer.

    My buddy who has been to eight shows yet somehow never gotten Yellow Ledbetter...he's all set with it.

    Lucky bastard!
    Ha!

    I love the song itself, don't give a shit where it falls within a show. But it's not a bright light journey by any means.

    Dark light.

    Low light.
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    Mignelli14Mignelli14 Posts: 626
    I was at Detroit 2014. Awesome song, marvellous song. But IMO you gotta end a show with a banger or a fun sing-a-long. Ledbetter is a bit of both which is great and while Indifference is a good sing-a-long, I just think it's a little too emotional and melodramatic to end a show with. I don't hate it though
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    TL170678TL170678 Near Louisville, in Indiana, closer to Kentucky Posts: 422
    I think they should add more closers too....Parting Ways is great enough to make a show closer regularly if the setlist was already full of hit friendly stuff. Maybe PJ can get AC/DC`s 1985 stage set up off Ebay and start closing with "For those about to Rock we salute you" .
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    Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,346
    One of my faves, I love it whenever I get it at a show. Light off would be nice, time for smooching!
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    pearljam1809pearljam1809 Posts: 863
    RS151862 said:

    I like it too, leaves you wanting more.

    Exactly

    I'll choose it over YL everytime
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    dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPRO Posts: 139,158
    love it..i prefe it better than ylb
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    23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,503
    I love it..but i need Matt push it more at the end..
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Ben Harper has ruined the listening experience for me.
    Every time I hear this song now (live or otherwise) I just hear his grating voice trying to sound powerful.
    What a botch job he did in that duo.
    You can immediately feel the presence when EV starts singing, saving the song like.
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    TL170678TL170678 Near Louisville, in Indiana, closer to Kentucky Posts: 422
    Man I did not think anyone could not like Ben Harper? Burn 1 down FFS.
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    Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,346
    I have to agree with Pjfanwillneverleave here. Ben Harper is good on his own, but this beauty of a song should be all PJ, at least to me. I actually even prefer the studio version over any live version, but it is always a sweet treat to hear it.
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    mschostokmschostok Chicago, IL Posts: 858
    buck502000 said:

    I love this song and it is great live - but I do not think it should be used as a closer - especially with the lights on. It worked well when they play it as the last song on night one of a two night stand - see Amsterdam 2014 - but not so sure about Detroit 2014. Thoughts?

    Agree, I've always liked more upbeat/happy songs (Ledbetter, Baba, RITFW) to close.
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    hsohihsohi Posts: 1,033
    Lights off.
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    mrk2mrk2 Finland Posts: 2,026
    Definitely would work better with the lights off. Love hearing it though.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    buck502000 said:

    It worked well when they play it as the last song on night one of a two night stand

    Agreed. Leave ya wanting more.
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    rummyrummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,353
    As many of you have already stated, it needs to be played with the lights down (maybe just a single spotlight on EV). If the lights must be on to end the show, then Indifference should be moved to the second to last spot. Partings Ways and All Those Yesterdays would work well in this position too. So would Immortality. Afterwards, the band could play a song that leaves everyone singing/dancing/chanting...Alive, Porch, YLB, Baba, and (if it must be played), RITFW do this sort of job. I've also always felt that RVM and Better Man are big enough to end a show...but now I'm getting off topic.
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    SarahSarah Toronto Posts: 736
    edited December 2015
    Saw it as a closer to end my first Pearl Jam concert in October of 2000. It is an extremely important, personal song for me, and I wept uncontrollably at the show's conclusion. Maybe my favourite Pearl Jam moment of all-time was seeing them perform that song at that instance. So, I'm biased towards it.
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    tino_11tino_11 Posts: 1,957
    prefer YL as a closer. Indifference feels like a subdued ending to a show IMO
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    rummyrummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,353
    Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this song, I just think it loses so much of its allure when played with the lights on at the end of a show.
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