PJ Soul "Circling the wagons" makes more sense right? Oops… I also don't know about the climate change Prelude that you speak of.
Callen I'm not sure what youre setting up for but I'll bite…
"Do you feel that if you are born with a penis that you are a man and deal with it?"
Yes.
My question is that everything I've read about DNA defines you so why is Corduroykelly's comment attacked? Very curious.
So a person that is born blind and can have surgery to fix shouldn't have it done? Just deal with it?
There are no attacks. It's debating ones side.
If one is offended due to religious beliefs or any other reason well then one should reflect why.
Surgery to repair blindness is a little different than gender reorientation.
Your example would be more accurate if you stated one sought to replace their eyes with ears.
As I said before... I don't really give a shit, but I'm not totally sure where I am at with the concept of a mind and body born incongruent with each other. As pragmatic as I am, it seems very unnatural.
Thirty it's the exact same thing. When you have billions of humans, there will be birth defects including mix up of sexual orientation between brain and body. It is Nature. It is natural. As done have brown hair and others red.
Why is this not just accepted and empathy given to the poor humans that had this happen? Is it insecurity of ones own sexuality? Does it put one at odds with perceived reality?
Thirty it's the exact same thing. When you have billions of humans, there will be birth defects including mix up of sexual orientation between brain and body. It is Nature. It is natural. As done have brown hair and others red.
Why is this not just accepted and empathy given to the poor humans that had this happen? Is it insecurity of ones own sexuality? Does it put one at odds with perceived reality?
I think it is accepted.
I think this discussion centers on 'what' it is accepted for. For me... I accept this as a preference more than a necessity.
And spinning the discussion to opponents is weak. Questioning the need to chop off one's penis and replace it with a vagina is hardly something that qualifies a person as 'scared' or 'insecure with their sexuality'.
Bruce was an alpha male at one point in his life. Let's not forget that at one point, his masculinity was without question. Trapped and helpless inside a body born useless to him? Not really.
And yes I feel if one has any qualms about others sexuality there is a problem. Is this schadenfreude?
And thinking about surgery on my penis makes me shudder which reinforces my empathy for humans that sacrifice so much to feel balanced. Then add being famous and the ridiculed.
And yes I feel if one has any qualms about others sexuality there is a problem. Is this schadenfreude?
And thinking about surgery on my penis makes me shudder which reinforces my empathy for humans that sacrifice so much to feel balanced. Then add being famous and the ridiculed.
No. I don't choose to feel like a man. I am a man and I am what I am.
And yes I feel if one has any qualms about others sexuality there is a problem. Is this schadenfreude?
And thinking about surgery on my penis makes me shudder which reinforces my empathy for humans that sacrifice so much to feel balanced. Then add being famous and the ridiculed.
I don't see how any amount of surgery is going to make a former man feel like a woman or vice versa. That's just baffling to me.
Amputees talk about losing their appendages and thinking that they are still there. When they get prosthetics it's not the same.
I haven't done the research, actually I'm not sure how you'd get the evidence but I can't see swapping genitalia and having the exact sensations you would as if you were born that way.
PJ Soul "Circling the wagons" makes more sense right? Oops… I also don't know about the climate change Prelude that you speak of.
Callen I'm not sure what youre setting up for but I'll bite…
"Do you feel that if you are born with a penis that you are a man and deal with it?"
Yes.
My question is that everything I've read about DNA defines you so why is Corduroykelly's comment attacked? Very curious.
I don't know what you mean for most of this post (you seem drunk???). I also don't know why you think corduroykelly is being attacked. People are disputing his viewpoint. That what happens in the AMT. I also think it's odd to be focusing on "what DNA dictates". We try and fix problems related to genetic problems all the time in medicine. Why should it be any different for a transgendered person? Something is wrong with the wiring when it comes to them - I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with finding ways to deal with or correct such an issue.
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PJ Soul "Circling the wagons" makes more sense right? Oops… I also don't know about the climate change Prelude that you speak of.
Callen I'm not sure what youre setting up for but I'll bite…
"Do you feel that if you are born with a penis that you are a man and deal with it?"
Yes.
My question is that everything I've read about DNA defines you so why is Corduroykelly's comment attacked? Very curious.
I don't know what you mean for most of this post (you seem drunk???). I also don't know why you think corduroykelly is being attacked. People are disputing his viewpoint. That what happens in the AMT. I also think it's odd to be focusing on "what DNA dictates". We try and fix problems related to genetic problems all the time in medicine. Why should it be any different for a transgendered person? Something is wrong with the wiring when it comes to them - I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with finding ways to deal with or correct such an issue.
I seem drunk? You asked corduroykelly about climate change...
Ok. I'll break it down for you.
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PJ Soul "Circling the wagons" makes more sense right? Oops…
"I corrected myself as you were right that 'wagons are circling' made no sense."
I also don't know about the climate change Prelude that you speak of.
"I was curious as to why you'd ask about climate change in this thread? You must have forgotten you asked him that? It seemed odd and out of place."
Callen I'm not sure what youre setting up for but I'll bite…
"Do you feel that if you are born with a penis that you are a man and deal with it?"
Yes.
"Callen asked me directly a question, which I thought he was going to 'set me up' with. So I replied."
My question is that everything I've read about DNA defines you so why is Corduroykelly's comment attacked? Very curious.
"Four or five people jumped on him about the DNA statement indirectly by NOT responding to the DNA logic but by asking other questions like climate change, religion and if he was scared. That looked like an attack."
People are disputing his viewpoint. That what happens in the AMT. I also think it's odd to be focusing on "what DNA dictates".
"So disputing his point is ok but what DNA dictates isn't ok to discuss?"
Something is wrong with the wiring when it comes to them - I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with finding ways to deal with or correct such an issue.
"I don't have a problem with finding a way to fix them either. Not sure that anyone did have a problem with it?!?"
And yes I feel if one has any qualms about others sexuality there is a problem. Is this schadenfreude?
And thinking about surgery on my penis makes me shudder which reinforces my empathy for humans that sacrifice so much to feel balanced. Then add being famous and the ridiculed.
No. I don't choose to feel like a man. I am a man and I am what I am.
So what makes you think a person would want to do the opposite and incur pain and ridicule? Think maybe it's because they have same strong desire as you just they're programming doesn't match body?
And yes I feel if one has any qualms about others sexuality there is a problem. Is this schadenfreude?
And thinking about surgery on my penis makes me shudder which reinforces my empathy for humans that sacrifice so much to feel balanced. Then add being famous and the ridiculed.
No. I don't choose to feel like a man. I am a man and I am what I am.
So what makes you think a person would want to do the opposite and incur pain and ridicule? Think maybe it's because they have same strong desire as you just they're programming doesn't match body?
I have no idea.
People do and feel all kinds of bizarre and strange things that are challenging to explain.
And yes I feel if one has any qualms about others sexuality there is a problem. Is this schadenfreude?
And thinking about surgery on my penis makes me shudder which reinforces my empathy for humans that sacrifice so much to feel balanced. Then add being famous and the ridiculed.
No. I don't choose to feel like a man. I am a man and I am what I am.
So what makes you think a person would want to do the opposite and incur pain and ridicule? Think maybe it's because they have same strong desire as you just they're programming doesn't match body?
"Their programming doesn't match" sounds like a mental illness reference?
There isn't a sign of mental illness in transgender people is there?
Everyone deserves to be who they are. On the same token though you can't metamorphosize in front of your own species without regard.
Why? Cause you say so?
Cause it's not gods plan?
I guess I should've added "to public opinion and ridicule". Surprised you would mention gods plan in relation to anything I post.
I'm trying to understand the mentality of cruelty of making a human suffer due to another persons feelings/beliefs. I don't keep up with posters religious convictions just really wondering how one comes up with their positions.
I liken the backlash towards transgendered humans to those that feel that God loves you if your gay, just suffer your whole fkn life and not act on it. Or better, just seek conversion.
Wonder also if people are just jealous.
. I'm not insinuating any posters here feel these ways. I don't know.
And yes I feel if one has any qualms about others sexuality there is a problem. Is this schadenfreude?
And thinking about surgery on my penis makes me shudder which reinforces my empathy for humans that sacrifice so much to feel balanced. Then add being famous and the ridiculed.
No. I don't choose to feel like a man. I am a man and I am what I am.
So what makes you think a person would want to do the opposite and incur pain and ridicule? Think maybe it's because they have same strong desire as you just they're programming doesn't match body?
"Their programming doesn't match" sounds like a mental illness reference?
There isn't a sign of mental illness in transgender people is there?
Serious question.
Appreciate the question. Feel it's just inevitable with the billions of humans born, brains will be swapped with bodies. Just like any other birth defect. We have conjoined twins. No backlash of them being separated.
It's all just nature/gods will. Same as homosexuality. We should support and have empathy. Transgendered humans have it tough.
Thirty it's the exact same thing. When you have billions of humans, there will be birth defects including mix up of sexual orientation between brain and body. It is Nature. It is natural. As done have brown hair and others red.
Why is this not just accepted and empathy given to the poor humans that had this happen? Is it insecurity of ones own sexuality? Does it put one at odds with perceived reality?
I think it is accepted.
I think this discussion centers on 'what' it is accepted for. For me... I accept this as a preference more than a necessity.
And spinning the discussion to opponents is weak. Questioning the need to chop off one's penis and replace it with a vagina is hardly something that qualifies a person as 'scared' or 'insecure with their sexuality'.
Bruce was an alpha male at one point in his life. Let's not forget that at one point, his masculinity was without question. Trapped and helpless inside a body born useless to him? Not really.
Bruce's masculinity may have been without question for you and others, but definitely not for her. This is were a lot of the tension comes from: people not putting themselves in a place to understand the transgendered person's experience.
Thirty it's the exact same thing. When you have billions of humans, there will be birth defects including mix up of sexual orientation between brain and body. It is Nature. It is natural. As done have brown hair and others red.
Why is this not just accepted and empathy given to the poor humans that had this happen? Is it insecurity of ones own sexuality? Does it put one at odds with perceived reality?
I think it is accepted.
I think this discussion centers on 'what' it is accepted for. For me... I accept this as a preference more than a necessity.
And spinning the discussion to opponents is weak. Questioning the need to chop off one's penis and replace it with a vagina is hardly something that qualifies a person as 'scared' or 'insecure with their sexuality'.
Bruce was an alpha male at one point in his life. Let's not forget that at one point, his masculinity was without question. Trapped and helpless inside a body born useless to him? Not really.
Bruce's masculinity may have been without question for you and others, but definitely not for her. This is were a lot of the tension comes from: people not putting themselves in a place to understand the transgendered person's experience.
For sure. In other words, a lot of people have a LOT of trouble finding empathy when it comes to transgendered people. It is just too far out of their own experience I guess. But that doesn't mean that empathy can't be found. Just takes some education.
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Digin, well it is funny on many levels. women are so much smarter and tougher than men and would always win on gender of the year. Well cept for bugs. Ha.
Digin, well it is funny on many levels. women are so much smarter and tougher than men and would always win on gender of the year. Well cept for bugs. Ha.
I don't agree with this, but I thought it was a little funny.
I came in here to post this LOL. It's wrong on so many levels, which is what makes it funny imo
So this passes as ok for funny but laughing at the person for being a cat isn't?
I have another serious question.
Is jenners genetic make up orDNA, a woman's or a mans or is his brain telling him that he should be a woman?
Curious if there is a link or not?
One was bullying the other was a joke poking fun at everyone. One wasn't funny, the other was.
The last bit about DNA is a red herring, no one is arguing that Jenner wasn't born as a Male in the definition of sex.
How many times do we have to say that gender and sex are two different things?
Gender/sex are different. Got it. I was wondering if there was a DNA link or not.
As for the funny thing, sorry. Funny is funny. It takes all forms
So you would go up to a trans person and say "Hey! Since you want to be a dude/girl now I'm going to be a cat! Cause I wanna be a cat! Meow!"? Where I'm from that isn't funny.
I would have no trouble telling the other joke to a trans person.....it's so ridiculous it's funny.
As to the other DNA thing, if you're up on your science lingo.....
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I don't agree with this, but I thought it was a little funny.
I came in here to post this LOL. It's wrong on so many levels, which is what makes it funny imo
So this passes as ok for funny but laughing at the person for being a cat isn't?
I have another serious question.
Is jenners genetic make up orDNA, a woman's or a mans or is his brain telling him that he should be a woman?
Curious if there is a link or not?
laughing at a person for being a cat? what? From Dignin's response I'm guessing there's a thing I missed somewhere.
I also just wanna point out that as long as you have a basic understanding of the way patriarchy works or like a baseline minimum knowledge of feminism, that joke is hilarious.
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Your example would be more accurate if you stated one sought to replace their eyes with ears.
As I said before... I don't really give a shit, but I'm not totally sure where I am at with the concept of a mind and body born incongruent with each other. As pragmatic as I am, it seems very unnatural.
Why is this not just accepted and empathy given to the poor humans that had this happen? Is it insecurity of ones own sexuality? Does it put one at odds with perceived reality?
I think this discussion centers on 'what' it is accepted for. For me... I accept this as a preference more than a necessity.
And spinning the discussion to opponents is weak. Questioning the need to chop off one's penis and replace it with a vagina is hardly something that qualifies a person as 'scared' or 'insecure with their sexuality'.
Bruce was an alpha male at one point in his life. Let's not forget that at one point, his masculinity was without question. Trapped and helpless inside a body born useless to him? Not really.
And yes I feel if one has any qualms about others sexuality there is a problem. Is this schadenfreude?
And thinking about surgery on my penis makes me shudder which reinforces my empathy for humans that sacrifice so much to feel balanced. Then add being famous and the ridiculed.
Amputees talk about losing their appendages and thinking that they are still there. When they get prosthetics it's not the same.
I haven't done the research, actually I'm not sure how you'd get the evidence but I can't see swapping genitalia and having the exact sensations you would as if you were born that way.
I also don't know why you think corduroykelly is being attacked. People are disputing his viewpoint. That what happens in the AMT.
I also think it's odd to be focusing on "what DNA dictates". We try and fix problems related to genetic problems all the time in medicine. Why should it be any different for a transgendered person? Something is wrong with the wiring when it comes to them - I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with finding ways to deal with or correct such an issue.
Ok. I'll break it down for you.
My post
PJ Soul "Circling the wagons" makes more sense right? Oops…
"I corrected myself as you were right that 'wagons are circling' made no sense."
I also don't know about the climate change Prelude that you speak of.
"I was curious as to why you'd ask about climate change in this thread? You must have forgotten you asked him that? It seemed odd and out of place."
Callen I'm not sure what youre setting up for but I'll bite…
"Do you feel that if you are born with a penis that you are a man and deal with it?"
Yes.
"Callen asked me directly a question, which I thought he was going to 'set me up' with. So I replied."
My question is that everything I've read about DNA defines you so why is Corduroykelly's comment attacked? Very curious.
"Four or five people jumped on him about the DNA statement indirectly by NOT responding to the DNA logic but by asking other questions like climate change, religion and if he was scared. That looked like an attack."
People are disputing his viewpoint. That what happens in the AMT.
I also think it's odd to be focusing on "what DNA dictates".
"So disputing his point is ok but what DNA dictates isn't ok to discuss?"
Something is wrong with the wiring when it comes to them - I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with finding ways to deal with or correct such an issue.
"I don't have a problem with finding a way to fix them either. Not sure that anyone did have a problem with it?!?"
And fwiw, I'm not accusing you of anything.
People do and feel all kinds of bizarre and strange things that are challenging to explain.
Surprised you would mention gods plan in relation to anything I post.
There isn't a sign of mental illness in transgender people is there?
Serious question.
I liken the backlash towards transgendered humans to those that feel that God loves you if your gay, just suffer your whole fkn life and not act on it. Or better, just seek conversion.
Wonder also if people are just jealous.
. I'm not insinuating any posters here feel these ways. I don't know.
It's all just nature/gods will. Same as homosexuality. We should support and have empathy. Transgendered humans have it tough.
It's wrong on so many levels, which is what makes it funny imo
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I have another serious question.
Is jenners genetic make up orDNA, a woman's or a mans or is his brain telling him that he should be a woman?
Curious if there is a link or not?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/16/entertainment/tracey-africa-norman-transgender-model-feat/?iid=ob_mobile_article_footer_expansion&iref=obinsite
The last bit about DNA is a red herring, no one is arguing that Jenner wasn't born as a Male in the definition of sex.
How many times do we have to say that gender and sex are two different things?
As for the funny thing, sorry. Funny is funny. It takes all forms
I would have no trouble telling the other joke to a trans person.....it's so ridiculous it's funny.
As to the other DNA thing, if you're up on your science lingo.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism#Genetics
I also just wanna point out that as long as you have a basic understanding of the way patriarchy works or like a baseline minimum knowledge of feminism, that joke is hilarious.
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