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  • PJ_Soul said:
    Ibrahim Ali, a Syrian refugee, has been arrested for the random murder of 13 year old Marrisa Shen in Burnaby.

    Has this been discussed? There are obvious political implications. He was a permanent resident of Canada for three months before murdering her. This does not speak well of the vetting process and is very likely going to stir emotions.

    This case featured one of the largest investigations in history with over 300 officers working the case at peak time.

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/police-to-share-significant-update-in-murder-of-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen

    He was privately sponsored by a Church (and only came at all because the church got more money than they needed in the collection drive. Originally it was just one family (dad, mom, kids), and then they added the dad's 2 younger brothers to the list. One of those younger brothers was the accused murder. As for vetting... No kind of vetting is guaranteed to predict something like this. I think it's actually pretty ridiculous to attack the vetting system in such a case, unless there is an actual demonstrable reason to, which isn't the case here .... Of course, I also think it's ridiculous to attack the system of taking in war refugees in general because of this.
    From what I understood... single males weren't supposed to be part of the deal.

    The vetting system is definitely subject to criticism if it failed to adhere to conditions prior to accepting refugees- especially given the fact that this particular failure resulted in the brutal rape and murder of a young teen.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,262
    edited September 13
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ibrahim Ali, a Syrian refugee, has been arrested for the random murder of 13 year old Marrisa Shen in Burnaby.

    Has this been discussed? There are obvious political implications. He was a permanent resident of Canada for three months before murdering her. This does not speak well of the vetting process and is very likely going to stir emotions.

    This case featured one of the largest investigations in history with over 300 officers working the case at peak time.

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/police-to-share-significant-update-in-murder-of-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen

    He was privately sponsored by a Church (and only came at all because the church got more money than they needed in the collection drive. Originally it was just one family (dad, mom, kids), and then they added the dad's 2 younger brothers to the list. One of those younger brothers was the accused murder. As for vetting... No kind of vetting is guaranteed to predict something like this. I think it's actually pretty ridiculous to attack the vetting system in such a case, unless there is an actual demonstrable reason to, which isn't the case here .... Of course, I also think it's ridiculous to attack the system of taking in war refugees in general because of this.
    From what I understood... single males weren't supposed to be part of the deal.

    The vetting system is definitely subject to criticism if it failed to adhere to conditions prior to accepting refugees- especially given the fact that this particular failure resulted in the brutal rape and murder of a young teen.
    You're talking about the government sponsored refugees still. Again, this was a PRIVATELY sponsored refugee, and private sponsors can sponsor single males... Not that someone being a single male or not is an indicator of whether or not they're going to turn out to be psychopathic murderers.
    Obviously IF the vetting system failed (as it's used for privately sponsored refugees) to adhere to conditions it would be subject to criticism here, but I've seen nothing suggesting that was the case, and I don't think you've seen anything to suggest that either.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ibrahim Ali, a Syrian refugee, has been arrested for the random murder of 13 year old Marrisa Shen in Burnaby.

    Has this been discussed? There are obvious political implications. He was a permanent resident of Canada for three months before murdering her. This does not speak well of the vetting process and is very likely going to stir emotions.

    This case featured one of the largest investigations in history with over 300 officers working the case at peak time.

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/police-to-share-significant-update-in-murder-of-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen

    He was privately sponsored by a Church (and only came at all because the church got more money than they needed in the collection drive. Originally it was just one family (dad, mom, kids), and then they added the dad's 2 younger brothers to the list. One of those younger brothers was the accused murder. As for vetting... No kind of vetting is guaranteed to predict something like this. I think it's actually pretty ridiculous to attack the vetting system in such a case, unless there is an actual demonstrable reason to, which isn't the case here .... Of course, I also think it's ridiculous to attack the system of taking in war refugees in general because of this.
    From what I understood... single males weren't supposed to be part of the deal.

    The vetting system is definitely subject to criticism if it failed to adhere to conditions prior to accepting refugees- especially given the fact that this particular failure resulted in the brutal rape and murder of a young teen.
    You're talking about the government sponsored refugees still. Again, this was a PRIVATELY sponsored refugee, and private sponsors can sponsor single males... Not that someone being a single male or not is an indicator of whether or not they're going to turn out to be psychopathic murderers.
    Obviously IF the vetting system failed (as it's used for privately sponsored refugees) to adhere to conditions it would be subject to criticism here, but I've seen nothing suggesting that was the case, and I don't think you've seen anything to suggest that either.
    Privately sponsored refugees still need to be approved (they don't circumvent the system given their funding is provided by private interest groups).

    And we have a dead teen who died at the hands of a refugee who had been in the country for less than two months. Although I realize there are some that would like for this messy little event to kind of disappear versus acknowledging the event... I think having the discussion is appropriate.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,262
    edited September 13
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ibrahim Ali, a Syrian refugee, has been arrested for the random murder of 13 year old Marrisa Shen in Burnaby.

    Has this been discussed? There are obvious political implications. He was a permanent resident of Canada for three months before murdering her. This does not speak well of the vetting process and is very likely going to stir emotions.

    This case featured one of the largest investigations in history with over 300 officers working the case at peak time.

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/police-to-share-significant-update-in-murder-of-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen

    He was privately sponsored by a Church (and only came at all because the church got more money than they needed in the collection drive. Originally it was just one family (dad, mom, kids), and then they added the dad's 2 younger brothers to the list. One of those younger brothers was the accused murder. As for vetting... No kind of vetting is guaranteed to predict something like this. I think it's actually pretty ridiculous to attack the vetting system in such a case, unless there is an actual demonstrable reason to, which isn't the case here .... Of course, I also think it's ridiculous to attack the system of taking in war refugees in general because of this.
    From what I understood... single males weren't supposed to be part of the deal.

    The vetting system is definitely subject to criticism if it failed to adhere to conditions prior to accepting refugees- especially given the fact that this particular failure resulted in the brutal rape and murder of a young teen.
    You're talking about the government sponsored refugees still. Again, this was a PRIVATELY sponsored refugee, and private sponsors can sponsor single males... Not that someone being a single male or not is an indicator of whether or not they're going to turn out to be psychopathic murderers.
    Obviously IF the vetting system failed (as it's used for privately sponsored refugees) to adhere to conditions it would be subject to criticism here, but I've seen nothing suggesting that was the case, and I don't think you've seen anything to suggest that either.
    Privately sponsored refugees still need to be approved (they don't circumvent the system given their funding is provided by private interest groups).

    And we have a dead teen who died at the hands of a refugee who had been in the country for less than two months. Although I realize there are some that would like for this messy little event to kind of disappear versus acknowledging the event... I think having the discussion is appropriate.
    Of course they need to be approved, but there are different rules for them, including the fact that single males can be privately sponsored (and rightly so). But besides that, it's not like ALL single males are not allowed, i.e. if someone has a single male son over the age of 18, they are allowed to come with their dad still, as part of the family unit. In this case, this guy came as part of a larger family.
    I think having the discussion is appropriate as long as "don't let them in" isn't on the table. I think that perspective is basically just plain evil, and definitely bigotted/prejudiced/xenophobic, as well as extremely bad when it comes to the national discourse - turning this tragedy into a weapon against war refugees and asylum seekers in general is disgusting and dangerous, and unfortunately, that's exactly when racists and xenophobes are doing right now.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ibrahim Ali, a Syrian refugee, has been arrested for the random murder of 13 year old Marrisa Shen in Burnaby.

    Has this been discussed? There are obvious political implications. He was a permanent resident of Canada for three months before murdering her. This does not speak well of the vetting process and is very likely going to stir emotions.

    This case featured one of the largest investigations in history with over 300 officers working the case at peak time.

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/police-to-share-significant-update-in-murder-of-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen

    He was privately sponsored by a Church (and only came at all because the church got more money than they needed in the collection drive. Originally it was just one family (dad, mom, kids), and then they added the dad's 2 younger brothers to the list. One of those younger brothers was the accused murder. As for vetting... No kind of vetting is guaranteed to predict something like this. I think it's actually pretty ridiculous to attack the vetting system in such a case, unless there is an actual demonstrable reason to, which isn't the case here .... Of course, I also think it's ridiculous to attack the system of taking in war refugees in general because of this.
    From what I understood... single males weren't supposed to be part of the deal.

    The vetting system is definitely subject to criticism if it failed to adhere to conditions prior to accepting refugees- especially given the fact that this particular failure resulted in the brutal rape and murder of a young teen.
    You're talking about the government sponsored refugees still. Again, this was a PRIVATELY sponsored refugee, and private sponsors can sponsor single males... Not that someone being a single male or not is an indicator of whether or not they're going to turn out to be psychopathic murderers.
    Obviously IF the vetting system failed (as it's used for privately sponsored refugees) to adhere to conditions it would be subject to criticism here, but I've seen nothing suggesting that was the case, and I don't think you've seen anything to suggest that either.
    Privately sponsored refugees still need to be approved (they don't circumvent the system given their funding is provided by private interest groups).

    And we have a dead teen who died at the hands of a refugee who had been in the country for less than two months. Although I realize there are some that would like for this messy little event to kind of disappear versus acknowledging the event... I think having the discussion is appropriate.
    Of course they need to be approved, but there are different rules for them, including the fact that single males can be privately sponsored (and rightly so).
    I think having the discussion is appropriate as long as "don't let them in" isn't on the table. I think that perspective is basically just plain evil, and definitely bigotted/prejudiced/xenophobic, as well as extremely bad when it comes to the national discourse - turning this tragedy into a weapon against war refugees and asylum seekers in general is disgusting and dangerous, and unfortunately, that's exactly when racists and xenophobes are doing right now.
    And please don't mistake me for what you fear.

    I'm only wanting the discussion to occur if it needs to occur. At a bare minimum, it should be acknowledged and I think that is what I intended with my original post.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,262
    edited September 13
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ibrahim Ali, a Syrian refugee, has been arrested for the random murder of 13 year old Marrisa Shen in Burnaby.

    Has this been discussed? There are obvious political implications. He was a permanent resident of Canada for three months before murdering her. This does not speak well of the vetting process and is very likely going to stir emotions.

    This case featured one of the largest investigations in history with over 300 officers working the case at peak time.

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/police-to-share-significant-update-in-murder-of-burnaby-teen-marrisa-shen

    He was privately sponsored by a Church (and only came at all because the church got more money than they needed in the collection drive. Originally it was just one family (dad, mom, kids), and then they added the dad's 2 younger brothers to the list. One of those younger brothers was the accused murder. As for vetting... No kind of vetting is guaranteed to predict something like this. I think it's actually pretty ridiculous to attack the vetting system in such a case, unless there is an actual demonstrable reason to, which isn't the case here .... Of course, I also think it's ridiculous to attack the system of taking in war refugees in general because of this.
    From what I understood... single males weren't supposed to be part of the deal.

    The vetting system is definitely subject to criticism if it failed to adhere to conditions prior to accepting refugees- especially given the fact that this particular failure resulted in the brutal rape and murder of a young teen.
    You're talking about the government sponsored refugees still. Again, this was a PRIVATELY sponsored refugee, and private sponsors can sponsor single males... Not that someone being a single male or not is an indicator of whether or not they're going to turn out to be psychopathic murderers.
    Obviously IF the vetting system failed (as it's used for privately sponsored refugees) to adhere to conditions it would be subject to criticism here, but I've seen nothing suggesting that was the case, and I don't think you've seen anything to suggest that either.
    Privately sponsored refugees still need to be approved (they don't circumvent the system given their funding is provided by private interest groups).

    And we have a dead teen who died at the hands of a refugee who had been in the country for less than two months. Although I realize there are some that would like for this messy little event to kind of disappear versus acknowledging the event... I think having the discussion is appropriate.
    Of course they need to be approved, but there are different rules for them, including the fact that single males can be privately sponsored (and rightly so).
    I think having the discussion is appropriate as long as "don't let them in" isn't on the table. I think that perspective is basically just plain evil, and definitely bigotted/prejudiced/xenophobic, as well as extremely bad when it comes to the national discourse - turning this tragedy into a weapon against war refugees and asylum seekers in general is disgusting and dangerous, and unfortunately, that's exactly when racists and xenophobes are doing right now.
    And please don't mistake me for what you fear.

    I'm only wanting the discussion to occur if it needs to occur. At a bare minimum, it should be acknowledged and I think that is what I intended with my original post.
    Oh, I'm not saying you're doing that. I'm just talking in the general sense. That is definitely what's going on with this story, and other Syrian refugees are freaking out about it, and I don't blame them.
    Certainly, this SPECIFIC case needs to be looked at, to see what, if anything, might have been overlooked during the vetting process. But again, it's very possible that nothing was. Sometimes human beings just go psycho, perhaps even as a result of trauma he experienced in Syria... hell, maybe he recently developed some kind of psychosis, we don't know yet. Or perhaps he is a sociopath and hid it very well and no one could have guessed ... But it's not like we can say that only "trauma-free" war refugees can come over. This is a terrible tragedy, but possibly not one that could have reasonably been prevented, depending on the details of his acceptance.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,274
    Once the the piece of human garbage is convicted turn him over to Asaad informing Asaad that he was an ISIS Fighter, problem solved....tax dollar saved.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,274
    Windsor doctor worries for medical cannabis once recreational use legalized

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/windsor-doctor-medical-marijuana-legal-1.4817269

  • People taking the law into their own hands:

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/crimeincanada/convicted-fraudster-gunned-down-in-own-home/ar-BBNrXYP?li=AAggNb9&ocid=edgsp

    In short: fraudster scams a bunch of people... gets sentenced to seven years in prison after the longest jury trial in Alberta's history... gets released 19 days into his sentence... gets shot to death at his $700,000 house.

    The fraudster had told the courts he was destitute and had to sell his home to pay for his legal fees, but he tricked the courts to (he still lived there despite a land transfer to one of his buddies).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,192
    Any social media savvy pot smokers here looking for a side hustle?

    I'm going to assume there will be a fair amount of competition for this job, so get your resume polished.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/09/19/get-paid-to-smoke-weed_a_23532824/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,116
    Any social media savvy pot smokers here looking for a side hustle?

    I'm going to assume there will be a fair amount of competition for this job, so get your resume polished.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/09/19/get-paid-to-smoke-weed_a_23532824/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage
    crazy stuff. 
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