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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 12,878
    edited October 2017
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    That terrible deal? That terrible, terrible deal? The one Obama negotiated? And he thinks he's a deal maker? The only deal he'll be making is a plea deal.

    #sickofwinningyet?
    I thought he was voiding it day one.. right after repealing Obamacare... 

    In other news, Boeing has outlined the framework of a 22 billion dollar deal with Iran to provide new airplanes to Iranian commercial airlines.  That alone will likely stop Trump from tearing up the deal.  
    Ahhh, swagger. Swagger with your dick out seems more important as this administration seems to believe, like those of the lost British empire, that history starts when you’ve been aggrieved. Oh Jared? Jared dear boy, tell that Rafjansjani to stop meddling in our back yard and to play nice. Now Jared, I’d ike a spot of pudding. Chop chop.
     
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  • So? Dicks out mean anything? Negotiate with North Korea but Iran? Oh no, not Iran! Must have been the black guy. Or the Muslims? Professor?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,738


    I think Congress recently said also they are in compliance after trump threw it in their lap.  so no new sanctions related to the deal.
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  • mickeyrat said:


    I think Congress recently said also they are in compliance after trump threw it in their lap.  so no new sanctions related to the deal.
    Another lie?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,738
    mickeyrat said:


    I think Congress recently said also they are in compliance after trump threw it in their lap.  so no new sanctions related to the deal.
    Another lie?


    could sworn I saw or heard it. but search turned up nothing.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:


    I think Congress recently said also they are in compliance after trump threw it in their lap.  so no new sanctions related to the deal.
    Another lie?


    could sworn I saw or heard it. but search turned up nothing.
    I think the US agency charged with compliance had to report to Congress and congress could accept the report and either state they were meeting their treaty obligations or not and impose sanctions. Congress determined Iran was abiding by the treaty. The war mongers want to impose additional sanctions anyway for Iran support hezbolah and meddling in their neighborhood.
     
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,738
    mickeyrat said:


    mickeyrat said:


    I think Congress recently said also they are in compliance after trump threw it in their lap.  so no new sanctions related to the deal.
    Another lie?


    could sworn I saw or heard it. but search turned up nothing.
    I think the US agency charged with compliance had to report to Congress and congress could accept the report and either state they were meeting their treaty obligations or not and impose sanctions. Congress determined Iran was abiding by the treaty. The war mongers want to impose additional sanctions anyway for Iran support hezbolah and meddling in their neighborhood.
     
    thats what I thought I heard in passing.

    thanks.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,364
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,647
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,364
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,647
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,364
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 10,682
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,647
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.

    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.
    It's a little about me since you're  advocating sending our blood and my tax dollars to Iran for a mission that has yet to work in the Middle East.  Good luck to the Iranian youth in getting a new govt. I truly hope they're successful.  But US interference isn't the solution...AGAIN. 
     
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,364
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.

    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.
    It's a little about me since you're  advocating sending our blood and my tax dollars to Iran for a mission that has yet to work in the Middle East.  Good luck to the Iranian youth in getting a new govt. I truly hope they're successful.  But US interference isn't the solution...AGAIN. 
     
    Uhhhh...no...I am not advocating that but glad to see you are finally on the same page as the Iranian youth. I guess now that Hillary and Bernie have tweeted support it is now safe for many of you to come out.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,647
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.

    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.
    It's a little about me since you're  advocating sending our blood and my tax dollars to Iran for a mission that has yet to work in the Middle East.  Good luck to the Iranian youth in getting a new govt. I truly hope they're successful.  But US interference isn't the solution...AGAIN. 
     
    Uhhhh...no...I am not advocating that but glad to see you are finally on the same page as the Iranian youth. I guess now that Hillary and Bernie have tweeted support it is now safe for many of you to come out.
    Oh yes.. finally we're all with you. No one ever saw this until now.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 12,878
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.

    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.
    It's a little about me since you're  advocating sending our blood and my tax dollars to Iran for a mission that has yet to work in the Middle East.  Good luck to the Iranian youth in getting a new govt. I truly hope they're successful.  But US interference isn't the solution...AGAIN. 
     
    Uhhhh...no...I am not advocating that but glad to see you are finally on the same page as the Iranian youth. I guess now that Hillary and Bernie have tweeted support it is now safe for many of you to come out.
    Like you have a fucking clue what the Iranian youth want. Guess you’ve got feelings?
     
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 18,180
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

    "Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."


    So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?
    Agreed. 

    https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

    Unless you like the current regime...
    The current regime isn't bothering me right now.  They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check? 
    This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.
    Sort of what the Palestinians are going thru aren’t they under thumb of Israel, so yeah I agree let people have their freedoms & human rights 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,647
    The conservative wisdom from Daniel Larison re: Iran..

    The smartest thing that the Trump administration could do in response to the protests in Iran is nothing, so of course Trump can’t shut up about it:

    What a year it’s been, and we're just getting started. Together, we are MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Happy New Year!! pic.twitter.com/qsMNyN1UJG

    Iran is failing at every level despite the terrible deal made with them by the Obama Administration. The great Iranian people have been repressed for many years. They are hungry for food & for freedom. Along with human rights, the wealth of Iran is being looted. TIME FOR CHANGE!

    Trump’s comments can’t do the protesters any good, and will almost certainly be used against them, but that doesn’t fully capture how stupid they are. The striking thing about the president’s latest outburst is how disconnected it is from administration policy except for the usual denunciation of the nuclear deal. Trump wants to keep Iranians from coming to the U.S., so it really doesn’t matter to him if they are “hungry” for freedom. If an Iranian dissident wanted to come to the U.S. right now, he would not be allowed in under Trump’s ridiculous travel ban solely because of his nationality. Trump would like to scrap the nuclear deal and put additional economic pressure on Iran until they make much larger concessions. This is an unrealistic and misguided goal, but it is also completely at odds with any concern for the well-being of the Iranian people, who have suffered for years under sanctions and would bear the extra burden that additional sanctions would impose.

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission. It isn’t possible to show unremitting hostility to Iran at every turn without inflicting harm on the people of Iran, and Trump’s policies prove that. There is nothing that Trump and his hard-liners can say now that will change this. It is fitting that the hard-line policies that are supposed to bolster U.S. “leadership” and “credibility” in the world are so often the reason why the rest of the world doesn’t believe American leaders and can’t take what they say seriously.

  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 10,682
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,364
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 12,878
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    But but but Bibi said they’d have a bomb in less than a year, that it was grave! But but but?

     
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,647
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,364
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 10,682
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,364
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
    Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin? 
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