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Tamir Rice shooting (12yr old)
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/28/3597546/officers-who-shot-12-year-old-holding-toy-gun-refused-to-give-him-first-aid/
From I know of this case so far is a woman called 911 complaining of somebody pointing a gun at people in the park. The woman also stated at some point that the could be fake, she didn't know. The dispatcher relayed all of the information given to her by the caller except that the gun could be fake. Upon arrving at the scene, the passenger cop appeared to have shot the boy before he got out of the car. They called in that the suspect, approx 20, was down. The two officers, for some reason, did not give first aid. Aid was eventually administered 4-5 minutes later by an FBI agent and another police officer. The boy was later confirmed dead at the hospital.
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From I know of this case so far is a woman called 911 complaining of somebody pointing a gun at people in the park. The woman also stated at some point that the could be fake, she didn't know. The dispatcher relayed all of the information given to her by the caller except that the gun could be fake. Upon arrving at the scene, the passenger cop appeared to have shot the boy before he got out of the car. They called in that the suspect, approx 20, was down. The two officers, for some reason, did not give first aid. Aid was eventually administered 4-5 minutes later by an FBI agent and another police officer. The boy was later confirmed dead at the hospital.
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There is a lawmaker who is now trying to make it illegal to have BB guns sold in the state of Ohio that look like a regular gun. Word has it that they want them to be brightly colored. Okay, that may be a resolution, but what about all of the previously sold models?
I don't know what the answer is. I just don't. Cleveland Police also shot a few people in their car a couple of years ago because their car backfired and an officer reported hearing a shot. The people weren't armed, but about 50 police cars followed them and filled their car with 130+ bullet holes. The Cleveland Police just settled with the two families for over $3 million. (If I recall my facts correct.)
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So what parents think about this conversation? Mine did. And guess what? It worked.
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In Ohio you can legally carry a gun openly in public, but the cops can also shoot you for exercising this legal right. One of those two needs to be changed, and for the sake of safety it makes more sense to change the first.
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2) 9-1-1 operator omits the part that the gun MAY BE A TOY. Point 1 can therefore be revised to read "Woman calls in gun threat".
3) Police officer knows there's a gun threat. Then sees a person with a gun.
Given these premises, what do you do? I would say taser or mace the potential assailant. If you don't have either, what do you do? Just keep driving? A police officer's job is to "serve and protect".
There are a few ways this scenario could've been avoided:
a) The child could have been briefed properly within his lifetime about the danger of possessing a gun, or anything that could be perceived as a weapon in public. Go figure, people fear things whose primary function is to inflict pain (yes, inflicting pain to inhibit a criminal from attacking is still a subset of inflicting pain).
b) The operator could have properly conveyed ALL information to the police force. Maybe the officer would've exerted an iota of thought process and engaged in conversation within the relatively safe confines of his car, before reaching for a gun in this case.
What disturbs me about all of this is that our judicial system is predicated upon a notion of "innocent until proven guilty". This case seems to be an example of an officer acting in a way suggesting "guilty until proven innocent". Oh, and it's hard to be proven innocent when you're dead and can't give your side of the story.
This is nothing to do with placing blame, it's about fixing larger problems that this and the Wilson/Brown case represent thematic examples of.
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Regardless, this was murder.
I read somewhere the cop was on the sidewalk crying afterwards. Was that this case? If so, I believe the cop was likely crying for his own future instead of the slain youth. If he had truly cared and was trying to right his wrong... he would have administered 1st aid.
The gun kid had did shoot projectiles so wasn't so harmless as people walked by and he pointed it at them. Anyone find details on what projectiles?
As with Ferguson case both parties at fault including person that provided the air soft pistol.
Let me make this clear to all, Cops do not render first aide on scene nor are they required too.. They are required to call for an ambulance immediately. Cops get sued all the time by people for pulling them out of burning vehicles and such for all sorts of BS reasons. Many Police still do it anyways cause most of them are very special people and are trained to go TOWARDS danger and not run AWAY from it like most people would...atleast on here
Like i said previously, if you want someone dead in Ohio hand them a bb gun and call 911. In both incidents, this one and the Wal-Mart murder cops shoot the black person in less than 2 seconds then reported that they ordered the gun down, subsequent video evidence shows otherwise.
Isn't Ohio an open carry state? Couldn't i walk into a Starbucks and order a latte with a rifle over my shoulder?
I have feared for my life though- I was attacked by a guy with a machete. No shit. My head was nearly removed from my body in Costa Rica on the Caribbean coast in a small place called Cahuita (in 1992).
I'm gathering you think this cop was fearing for his life based on what you have written. That's kind of what I had written- so are we agreeing or disagreeing?
I'd admit that I am not in the position to best say what emotions might be coursing through my veins after murdering a 12 year old; however, I'm not so sure it's a stretch to suggest that given the cold depravity we can observe of this situation... the cops didn't really care as much for the kid as they might have themselves. So, my naïve opinion is based on what I can see.
And I don't care what cops are trained to do. If the guy was remotely close to a decent human being... he would have noted that he just blew away a 12 year old playing with a bb gun. As such... you'd think he might feel compelled to try and save the kid as he passes from the Earth.
I've been a proponent of the police from day one on these pages. I think they are awesome. However, let's get serious here: this cop isn't getting enshrined in The Good Cop Thread.
Further in a call such as this, (report of a gun, etc) between the radio call and the arrival, what goes through the mind of an officer or officers (in the case of partners). I assume its a relatively short arrival time.
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Here's how I did handle it:
I was half (to 3/4) buzzed and with a buddy from Switzerland I had been travelling with. I sobered up in an instant. The attack was in a spot where there was plenty of room to side-step and dodge. I spent a minute doing that while Daniel was talking him down. The attacker was yelling, "I'm a bad man. I'm a bad man!"
The guy eventually relented, grabbed the sack he had dropped, and literally walked off down a trail into the jungle.
I wanted to leave the place immediately and head inland to San Jose. Daniel figured the threat was over. That same night we went to this soda and there was the attacker with two friends. I immediately bought six Imperials and placed them on the table for the guys. I asked if we were all good. The guy laughed and said, "Yes. Yes we are. I'm sorry bout dat, man. I was having a bad day."
I know. Bad day so attack a guy with a machete?
To your question:
I'm not sure. I think I probably would have displayed it and threaten to us it. I likely would have side-stepped or dodged a couple of times before actually shooting the guy. I'd like to think I would only use the gun as a last resort.
It all worked out perfectly. I got everything a young man could hope to get from a backpacking trip. Loved the country. Loved the people. Flying back home I knew I had grown more than I had ever thought possible.
Too bad we couldn't just beam ourselves over there for a few Imperials before dinner and then high five and beam ourselves back.
At a minimum, think of the typing we could save ourselves.