Subterfuge

Purposfully being kind of cryptic here but, anyone else think Ed is actually saying "subterfuge?"
'we were but stones, your light made us stars"
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  • Yes. Why?
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  • MelmothMelmoth Posts: 64
    In the lyrics sheet it says "such a view." I just think it's neat when he changes up lyrics. I was just wondering if it was just me
    'we were but stones, your light made us stars"
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SCPosts: 8,661
    He said subterfuge in Charlotte.
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  • steeler4lifesteeler4life Philadelphia areaPosts: 405
    In what song?
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  • In what song?

    LB
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  • jwhjr17jwhjr17 Posts: 1,329
    It's subterfuge. Even the lyrics on the site here have it.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,642
    My CD liner notes say subterfuge. I didn't even know it was up for debate.
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  • deenieskateeniedeenieskateenie AustraliaPosts: 22
    Forget subterfuge. What I wanna ask is - anyone else pick up on a link between LB and Nothingman? Or do I just think too much...?
  • MelmothMelmoth Posts: 64
    My buddy has a vinyl that the liner notes supposedly say "such a view." I need to investigate.
    'we were but stones, your light made us stars"
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  • TheiaTheia Posts: 145

    Forget subterfuge. What I wanna ask is - anyone else pick up on a link between LB and Nothingman? Or do I just think too much...?

    Absolutely. "Caught a bolt of lightning"

  • deenieskateeniedeenieskateenie AustraliaPosts: 22
    Theia said:

    Forget subterfuge. What I wanna ask is - anyone else pick up on a link between LB and Nothingman? Or do I just think too much...?

    Absolutely. "Caught a bolt of lightning"

    And it doesn't stop there...

    "Isn't it something/Coulda been something... Nothingman..." VS "always something and never nothing"

    AND...

    "after he's flown away... Oh, into the sun...ah, into the sun... burn...burn" VS "Like a burning meteor from miles high"

    Wonder if Eddie does this just to mess with us?? Haha I love it :)
  • curlycurly Posts: 686
    Personally.. I think it's a coincidence ... But good catch... Don't think I'd ever have caught that...specially now.. Maybe when I was a lil younger.. Lol
  • curly said:

    Personally.. I think it's a coincidence ... But good catch... Don't think I'd ever have caught that...specially now.. Maybe when I was a lil younger.. Lol

    I also think it is a coincidence.
    But link you show is there, but I don't think it means something.
    At least both songs have a completely different meaning for me.
    But it's a nice read, thanks for you efford.
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  • vickisomoyavickisomoya Sarasota, FloridaPosts: 174
    I think the two songs are linked because he is referring to a female in NM's "caught a bolt of lightning" and in LB he consistently refers to the lightning bolt as a "she". I think in both songs he is talking about the power and divine inspirational quality of female energy. Never let her go!
    Be it no concern
    Point of no return
    Go forward in reverse
    This I will recall
    Every time I fall

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  • I think the two songs are linked because he is referring to a female in NM's "caught a bolt of lightning" and in LB he consistently refers to the lightning bolt as a "she". I think in both songs he is talking about the power and divine inspirational quality of female energy. Never let her go!

    I agree with what you said about the power and divine inspirational quality of female energy (which is nicely put), but I'm not so sure that means the songs are linked. Or perhaps I don't fully understand what the link should mean. Let's just say I don't see the two songs as telling the same story or a different part of the same story.
    It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.

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  • vickisomoyavickisomoya Sarasota, FloridaPosts: 174
    edited November 2014
    So the link is just that he is referencing a female presence. And he is expressing that in two different songs as in how it affected him.... really we won't ever know what exactly happened to him to make him write those words....we are just so glad he chose to write those words because they mean something to us too!

    Of everything he has written lately, I am most blown away by " flipping through through the worn-out pages of stages where you knew not who to be...." I mean seriously, the night before I got in my car to drive to Worcester from Maine last fall 2013, I was packing up to move and had to go through all my old notebooks of old writings and thinking....fuck it! let's just get on with it already! So I threw most of them out. I had heard the song LB when it was released, (and saw them debut it at Wrigley) but those lyrics didn't really register until I heard it live in Worcester that night, and right then in the audience I thought - holy shit, how could he see what I was just doing like 12 hours before? I was literally doing exactly what he wrote, and then there he was standing in front of me and singing it.
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    Post edited by vickisomoya on
    Be it no concern
    Point of no return
    Go forward in reverse
    This I will recall
    Every time I fall

    Bridge School 2010
    EV Solo Portland 2011
    Missoula, MT 2012
    Wrigley 2013
    Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1, Baltimore 2013
    St. Paul, Milwaukee, Denver 2014
  • deenieskateeniedeenieskateenie AustraliaPosts: 22

    curly said:

    Personally.. I think it's a coincidence ... But good catch... Don't think I'd ever have caught that...specially now.. Maybe when I was a lil younger.. Lol

    I also think it is a coincidence.
    But link you show is there, but I don't think it means something.
    At least both songs have a completely different meaning for me.
    But it's a nice read, thanks for you efford.
    I agree - both of those songs have a completely different meaning and feeling about them to me as well. I just find it fascinating that some of the words and the way they are spoken are so similar. Can't help but think EV is deliberately messing with our minds... *insert twilight zone music*

    At least, maybe that is what I'm hoping for... Haha
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