The looting and rioting is nothing more than a bunch of thugs and criminals seizing a window of opportunity and be lawless under the guise of 'protesting'.
If I was a cop trying to deal with this guy... who by all accounts is massive and strong... and after already being defiant with me he makes a move towards me while we are in close proximity... I would hope I would have the courage to defend myself and not be overtaken only to have the gun stuffed up my ass with the 'gentle giant' pulling the trigger till it went click click.
From what I can tell by what I read... there definitely is an element of 'overkill' here that needs to be probed; however, it's fair to say the victim wasn't exactly coming back from the library after a night of studying.
What also needs to be said is the fact that although the cop may not have known Brown had just committed a felony, Brown knew he had... meaning: Brown had a much more intense mentality than the cop initially had in this situation- likely thinking he was being detained and about to be arrested. When people commit crimes and are in the last moments of their freedom... sometimes they resist and sometimes they resist with deadly force.
I don't disagree with any of that but the cop still murdered the kid...he was several feet away from the cop, on the ground, hands in the air, and at least six more shots were fired into his body.
Police are ALLOWED TO SHOOT PEOPLE. If one shot is justified, it doesn't matter how many more were fired. IF the officer felt his life or someone else's life was threatened, the number of shots it takes to take control of the situation isn't relevant. That said, it is wise to wait until the facts are released. To say he murdered the guy without the facts is a pretty bold presumption. IF it is found that the cop didn't need to discharge his weapon at all, then charges should be filed.
Yes I realize that they are allowed to shoot people and I also realize that a shot or two may have been justified. More than one witness said that Brown was on the ground surrendering when 6 more shots were fired. Those weren't justified...that's murder
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They are justified IF that's what it took to take control of the situation. Until the facts are released, you can't assume murder.
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certainly a story thats needs reported on. However , the "news" needs to better report the facts and keep assumption and conjecture out of it.
I hope for the families sake, and honest and fair investigation is done and justice served. Whatever "big mike" may or may not have done, they still lost a son.
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What if it was ruled a justified shooting.The community will not allow that.So Isnt there pressure to prosecute truth be damned? These folks want blood
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What if it was ruled a justified shooting.The community will not allow that.So Isnt there pressure to prosecute truth be damned? These folks want blood
community at large is really a seperate issue. This isnt bigger than justice(whatever that may be in the end) for the family. This DOES speak to problems that need addressed for sure ,
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What if it was ruled a justified shooting.The community will not allow that.So Isnt there pressure to prosecute truth be damned? These folks want blood
Fortunately, idiot mobs that look for reasons to loot and burn their own town don't get to press charges.
Only thing I'll add is that I wouldnt want either person living in my neighborhood. One is a thug who holds up convenience stores and the other seems to be a jumpy cop who probably emptied his gun while pissing his pants.
certainly a story thats needs reported on. However , the "news" needs to better report the facts and keep assumption and conjecture out of it.
I hope for the families sake, and honest and fair investigation is done and justice served. Whatever "big mike" may or may not have done, they still lost a son.
well that didn't last long. my facebook feed just blew up saying the cops are going to clear the streets of ferguson right now... turn on the local news and the cops are putting on gasmasks....
facepalm...
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well that didn't last long. my facebook feed just blew up saying the cops are going to clear the streets of ferguson right now... turn on the local news and the cops are putting on gasmasks....
facepalm...
Holy crap, man! Be safe out there. Keep us posted!
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thanks man. i am safe. sounds like there was a shooting at the protest last night and the guy could die from it. they said the tear gas was to clear the crowd so that responders could get to the victim.
i have spent a lot of time thinking about this.
the family and the protesters and the local news have framed this kid as an angel and a gentle giant. the police released a video of the kid strongarm robbing a gas station 11 minutes before he was shot. that is not something an angel does. that is something that a thug does. know what he stole? a box of cigarillos. what is he going to do with those besides roll blunts? all i am saying is this is a media battle more than anything else. yeah the kid roughed up a store owner. this is not a capital offense, and it did not warrant him being shot, but the kid was not an angel and he should have been arrested for his crime. also, the kid had an attitude problem. who walks down the middle of the street in traffic in broad daylight? an asshole does. who mouths off back to a cop when a cop asks them, or tells them, to get off the street and onto the sidewalk? an asshole does.
did the cop overreact? from what i have seen, yes. should the cop be arrested and charged pending the investigation? yes. should the protesters stop looting and fucking up their own community? yes.
everyone just needs to chill out until more info is released. it doesn't help when people from as far away as texas are traveling here to participate in mayhem.
i am all for justice, but at this point i am more for peace.
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everyone just needs to chill out until more info is released. it doesn't help when people from as far away as texas are traveling here to participate in mayhem.
i am all for justice, but at this point i am more for peace.
if i am correct the zoo is in north st. louis. where is ferguson (ferguson is north?) from the zoo?
highway 64/40 runs right through the middle of the city. it separates north city from south city. the zoo is in forest park, and the zoo is located at the corner of hwy 64/40 and hampton. it is right on the highway. so technically it is in "north city". but it is in a good part of north city. the northern border of forest park is forest park parkway, and that is still a really nice area. the eastern border for forest park is barnes-jewish and children's hospitals, where i work.
the areas right around the zoo are really nice. the further north you go, like taking highway 70, which runs north of the city, is where you start getting into really bad parts. south city is a nice old area. all of the cool stuff that happens usually happens right downtown near the arch and busch stadium and in south city. south city has a lot of the old historic neighborhoods and restaurants and local neighborhood bars. if i were to live downtown i would live in south city. but come mardi gras season south city is pretty crazy for a couple of weeks. there is much more and much more severe crime in north city, but you just have to kind of know where to avoid.
ferguson is northwest of the zoo. it is about 10 miles caddicorner to the zoo. maybe less. i will look for a map and see if i can find something to give you a better visual.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
everyone just needs to chill out until more info is released. it doesn't help when people from as far away as texas are traveling here to participate in mayhem.
i am all for justice, but at this point i am more for peace.
I'm for both, if there is a way.
To your first point, absolutely.
Same feelings here.
Too much reacting, not enough fact finding/keeping a level head. I hope things settle down in your town, gimme.
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I'm tired of hearing about these dumb-ass's, maybe they should teach their children better and less crap like this would happen.
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Not sure if this is from the DOJ's autopsy (guess they didn't have much confidence in the initial one?), but it appears the six shots weren't fired into his back.
Saturday Morning thought: live by the sword...die by the sword.....at the end of the day who is right ? was this shooting justified ? or was this cop at a breaking point brought upon him by the actions of his victim ?...arn't you glad it was not you who pulled the trigger..... or caught the bullit, maybe it would be best if we did not put ourselfs in a position to be one or the other.
Godfather.
Always liked that saying and it seems to fit in this case.
Who's these people? If blacks they feel desperate and unrepresented.
Think many here have no clue how it must feel to be in a car with few of your black buddies pulled over by a single white cop. They are not treated as you and or I would.
Rightly or wrongly I should add.
Always thought as young lad racism would be better by now but humans like to remain in their herds. Sad.
Not sure if this is from the DOJ's autopsy (guess they didn't have much confidence in the initial one?), but it appears the six shots weren't fired into his back.
Wondering how this will turn the tide if at all.
I've never heard that he was shot while running away. The witnesses said he turned toward the officer with his hands up and was shot several times.
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Not sure if this is from the DOJ's autopsy (guess they didn't have much confidence in the initial one?), but it appears the six shots weren't fired into his back.
Wondering how this will turn the tide if at all.
I've never heard that he was shot while running away. The witnesses said he turned toward the officer with his hands up and was shot several times.
Thought I'd initially heard he'd been shot in the back, though I haven't been following this all that closely.
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I hope for the families sake, and honest and fair investigation is done and justice served. Whatever "big mike" may or may not have done, they still lost a son.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What a combo.
Godfather.
either that or the thunderstorm, but at any rate, it looks like we might have a little peace around here tonight.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
facepalm...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i have spent a lot of time thinking about this.
the family and the protesters and the local news have framed this kid as an angel and a gentle giant. the police released a video of the kid strongarm robbing a gas station 11 minutes before he was shot. that is not something an angel does. that is something that a thug does. know what he stole? a box of cigarillos. what is he going to do with those besides roll blunts? all i am saying is this is a media battle more than anything else. yeah the kid roughed up a store owner. this is not a capital offense, and it did not warrant him being shot, but the kid was not an angel and he should have been arrested for his crime. also, the kid had an attitude problem. who walks down the middle of the street in traffic in broad daylight? an asshole does. who mouths off back to a cop when a cop asks them, or tells them, to get off the street and onto the sidewalk? an asshole does.
did the cop overreact? from what i have seen, yes.
should the cop be arrested and charged pending the investigation? yes.
should the protesters stop looting and fucking up their own community? yes.
everyone just needs to chill out until more info is released. it doesn't help when people from as far away as texas are traveling here to participate in mayhem.
i am all for justice, but at this point i am more for peace.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
To your first point, absolutely.
if i am correct the zoo is in north st. louis. where is ferguson (ferguson is north?) from the zoo?
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the areas right around the zoo are really nice. the further north you go, like taking highway 70, which runs north of the city, is where you start getting into really bad parts. south city is a nice old area. all of the cool stuff that happens usually happens right downtown near the arch and busch stadium and in south city. south city has a lot of the old historic neighborhoods and restaurants and local neighborhood bars. if i were to live downtown i would live in south city. but come mardi gras season south city is pretty crazy for a couple of weeks. there is much more and much more severe crime in north city, but you just have to kind of know where to avoid.
ferguson is northwest of the zoo. it is about 10 miles caddicorner to the zoo. maybe less. i will look for a map and see if i can find something to give you a better visual.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
ok, the zoo is located pretty much just under the L where it says st louis. pretty much between that period and the L.
anything north of hwy 70 but just south of 270 is a pretty sketchy area.
for anyone interested, the concert venue is pretty much directly under the S in Louis, just off of highway 64.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Too much reacting, not enough fact finding/keeping a level head. I hope things settle down in your town, gimme.
Godfather.
Wondering how this will turn the tide if at all.
Always liked that saying and it seems to fit in this case.
Who's these people? If blacks they feel desperate and unrepresented.
Think many here have no clue how it must feel to be in a car with few of your black buddies pulled over by a single white cop. They are not treated as you and or I would.
Rightly or wrongly I should add.
Always thought as young lad racism would be better by now but humans like to remain in their herds. Sad.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville