Links are fine, but why not your thoughts and reactions to it?
Wasn't paying attention and hit post comment lol
I fear this is going to happen more and more. I'm all for cops using deadly force when justified, and was this case justifiable? Possibly so. But luckily no one died here. The other officers were able to subdue the perpetrator with stun guns, but they were injured as well, although not as bad as the woman officer. I've got a few friends who are cops and my neighbor is a drug enforcement officer. He's told me that if they can bring down a subject with tasers, they do their best to, but someone on drugs like PCP (like this subject was) most likely isn't going to be taken down by a taser and you pretty much have to shoot them. But most officers don't know that subject is on PCP. There are warning signs, like extreme aggression and hallucinations, but the subject isn't wearing a sign that says "I'm f'd up on PCP!!" they have to make a split second decision. If the tasers don't work and that guy is still coming, they either shoot or end up in the hospital like this officer, or dead. Basically no good outcomes. Like I said, I fear we'll see more of this. Because of a handful of bad apples and facts getting thrown out the window on other shootings, the police are in a no win situation. They're being branded cowards and killers, when 99% of cops are doing their best to protect you and I and do their job to the best of their abilities
Bravo to this..However the female officer admits she should have shot the asshole initially, but she was in fear of making herself and family the newest media sensation. Officer safety around the country has been completely compromised due to the false narrative the media and the other diseased rotten brains have planted. Good luck finding anyone in their right mind to be the Police in today's day in age and good luck having a Cop going that extra Mile if you are in need of immediate assistance until backup and a supervisor arrive. Proactive Policing will very soon be a thing of the past to Joys of the ACLU....Lets see how that's going to work....Hint,Hint....Look At Shitcago...
Okay, not all. But a good portion. You said my interaction with police had a greater chance of being ugly if I were black. And then called me naïve for not believing that was the case. "Greater chance" doesn't include all cops, but does imply a significant portion of them.. And if you think that a statistically significant number of police would have treated me ugly if I were black, then you believe a large portion of police are racist. Would that be a fair assessment?
Okay, not all. But a good portion. You said my interaction with police had a greater chance of being ugly if I were black. And then called me naïve for not believing that was the case. "Greater chance" doesn't include all cops, but does imply a significant portion of them.. And if you think that a statistically significant number of police would have treated me ugly if I were black, then you believe a large portion of police are racist. Would that be a fair assessment?
Having racial bias is not really equal to being a racist, but, yes, I do believe a large number of police are racist. I know several racist (homophobic, Islamaphobic, xenophobic, anti-Semitic, and anti-immigrant as well) police officers, and the only officer we have that posts here has made many racist remarks. I believe the number one reason for this is simply because it is a job that nasty people are drawn to. Of the 3 cops I personally know, 2 were high school bullies looking to relive the glory days and one was the bullied, now looking to pay it forward. The pay is low, the standards are even lower, and the oversight is nearly non-existent. Those factors lead to far too many people taking up the profession as a means to satisfy their desire for power. None of the 3 I personally know should have passed the screening, 2 are dumb shit and the other is a pothead who can't bench-press a wet towel. If we can admit we have a policing problem in this country we can work towards fixing it by creating a profession which will weed out the bad apples instead of defending them for the indefensible. It's one of the hardest jobs imaginable, so why don't we pay them 6 figures and require them to be intelligent, calm, and physically fit? Heck of a start that would make, then we could get back to trying to tackle poverty, which isn't nearly as easily solved. If you have a Nazi tattoo on your forearm, you should never get to be a police officer, that seems like common sense, doesn't it?
Links are fine, but why not your thoughts and reactions to it?
Wasn't paying attention and hit post comment lol
I fear this is going to happen more and more. I'm all for cops using deadly force when justified, and was this case justifiable? Possibly so. But luckily no one died here. The other officers were able to subdue the perpetrator with stun guns, but they were injured as well, although not as bad as the woman officer. I've got a few friends who are cops and my neighbor is a drug enforcement officer. He's told me that if they can bring down a subject with tasers, they do their best to, but someone on drugs like PCP (like this subject was) most likely isn't going to be taken down by a taser and you pretty much have to shoot them. But most officers don't know that subject is on PCP. There are warning signs, like extreme aggression and hallucinations, but the subject isn't wearing a sign that says "I'm f'd up on PCP!!" they have to make a split second decision. If the tasers don't work and that guy is still coming, they either shoot or end up in the hospital like this officer, or dead. Basically no good outcomes. Like I said, I fear we'll see more of this. Because of a handful of bad apples and facts getting thrown out the window on other shootings, the police are in a no win situation. They're being branded cowards and killers, when 99% of cops are doing their best to protect you and I and do their job to the best of their abilities
Bravo to this..However the female officer admits she should have shot the asshole initially, but she was in fear of making herself and family the newest media sensation. Officer safety around the country has been completely compromised due to the false narrative the media and the other diseased rotten brains have planted. Good luck finding anyone in their right mind to be the Police in today's day in age and good luck having a Cop going that extra Mile if you are in need of immediate assistance until backup and a supervisor arrive. Proactive Policing will very soon be a thing of the past to Joys of the ACLU....Lets see how that's going to work....Hint,Hint....Look At Shitcago...
This made me laugh because just yesterday I was thinking about how "card carrying members of the ACLU" were one of the villains of either the '88 or '92 election. Help me out musky. You sound like a grumpy 50 year old, so you were around then.
Links are fine, but why not your thoughts and reactions to it?
Wasn't paying attention and hit post comment lol
I fear this is going to happen more and more. I'm all for cops using deadly force when justified, and was this case justifiable? Possibly so. But luckily no one died here. The other officers were able to subdue the perpetrator with stun guns, but they were injured as well, although not as bad as the woman officer. I've got a few friends who are cops and my neighbor is a drug enforcement officer. He's told me that if they can bring down a subject with tasers, they do their best to, but someone on drugs like PCP (like this subject was) most likely isn't going to be taken down by a taser and you pretty much have to shoot them. But most officers don't know that subject is on PCP. There are warning signs, like extreme aggression and hallucinations, but the subject isn't wearing a sign that says "I'm f'd up on PCP!!" they have to make a split second decision. If the tasers don't work and that guy is still coming, they either shoot or end up in the hospital like this officer, or dead. Basically no good outcomes. Like I said, I fear we'll see more of this. Because of a handful of bad apples and facts getting thrown out the window on other shootings, the police are in a no win situation. They're being branded cowards and killers, when 99% of cops are doing their best to protect you and I and do their job to the best of their abilities
Bravo to this..However the female officer admits she should have shot the asshole initially, but she was in fear of making herself and family the newest media sensation. Officer safety around the country has been completely compromised due to the false narrative the media and the other diseased rotten brains have planted. Good luck finding anyone in their right mind to be the Police in today's day in age and good luck having a Cop going that extra Mile if you are in need of immediate assistance until backup and a supervisor arrive. Proactive Policing will very soon be a thing of the past to Joys of the ACLU....Lets see how that's going to work....Hint,Hint....Look At Shitcago...
This made me laugh because just yesterday I was thinking about how "card carrying members of the ACLU" were one of the villains of either the '88 or '92 election. Help me out musky. You sound like a grumpy 50 year old, so you were around then.
You need a lot more then HELP after reading your posts Pal . Perhaps your Ducks will cheer you up this weekend...they better cover since I got a lot of Dough riding on them. And negative to your question, when I turn 50 I will be living on my property on the Big Island w/ my pals over there that get it.
Links are fine, but why not your thoughts and reactions to it?
Wasn't paying attention and hit post comment lol
I fear this is going to happen more and more. I'm all for cops using deadly force when justified, and was this case justifiable? Possibly so. But luckily no one died here. The other officers were able to subdue the perpetrator with stun guns, but they were injured as well, although not as bad as the woman officer. I've got a few friends who are cops and my neighbor is a drug enforcement officer. He's told me that if they can bring down a subject with tasers, they do their best to, but someone on drugs like PCP (like this subject was) most likely isn't going to be taken down by a taser and you pretty much have to shoot them. But most officers don't know that subject is on PCP. There are warning signs, like extreme aggression and hallucinations, but the subject isn't wearing a sign that says "I'm f'd up on PCP!!" they have to make a split second decision. If the tasers don't work and that guy is still coming, they either shoot or end up in the hospital like this officer, or dead. Basically no good outcomes. Like I said, I fear we'll see more of this. Because of a handful of bad apples and facts getting thrown out the window on other shootings, the police are in a no win situation. They're being branded cowards and killers, when 99% of cops are doing their best to protect you and I and do their job to the best of their abilities
Bravo to this..However the female officer admits she should have shot the asshole initially, but she was in fear of making herself and family the newest media sensation. Officer safety around the country has been completely compromised due to the false narrative the media and the other diseased rotten brains have planted. Good luck finding anyone in their right mind to be the Police in today's day in age and good luck having a Cop going that extra Mile if you are in need of immediate assistance until backup and a supervisor arrive. Proactive Policing will very soon be a thing of the past to Joys of the ACLU....Lets see how that's going to work....Hint,Hint....Look At Shitcago...
This made me laugh because just yesterday I was thinking about how "card carrying members of the ACLU" were one of the villains of either the '88 or '92 election. Help me out musky. You sound like a grumpy 50 year old, so you were around then.
You need a lot more then HELP after reading your posts Pal . Perhaps your Ducks will cheer you up this weekend...they better cover since I got a lot of Dough riding on them. And negative to your question, when I turn 50 I will be living on my property on the Big Island w/ my pals over there that get it.
Ducks? That's a kick in the nads. Oregon State =Beavs. Ducks = some other school full of Californians.
Links are fine, but why not your thoughts and reactions to it?
Wasn't paying attention and hit post comment lol
I fear this is going to happen more and more. I'm all for cops using deadly force when justified, and was this case justifiable? Possibly so. But luckily no one died here. The other officers were able to subdue the perpetrator with stun guns, but they were injured as well, although not as bad as the woman officer. I've got a few friends who are cops and my neighbor is a drug enforcement officer. He's told me that if they can bring down a subject with tasers, they do their best to, but someone on drugs like PCP (like this subject was) most likely isn't going to be taken down by a taser and you pretty much have to shoot them. But most officers don't know that subject is on PCP. There are warning signs, like extreme aggression and hallucinations, but the subject isn't wearing a sign that says "I'm f'd up on PCP!!" they have to make a split second decision. If the tasers don't work and that guy is still coming, they either shoot or end up in the hospital like this officer, or dead. Basically no good outcomes. Like I said, I fear we'll see more of this. Because of a handful of bad apples and facts getting thrown out the window on other shootings, the police are in a no win situation. They're being branded cowards and killers, when 99% of cops are doing their best to protect you and I and do their job to the best of their abilities
Bravo to this..However the female officer admits she should have shot the asshole initially, but she was in fear of making herself and family the newest media sensation. Officer safety around the country has been completely compromised due to the false narrative the media and the other diseased rotten brains have planted. Good luck finding anyone in their right mind to be the Police in today's day in age and good luck having a Cop going that extra Mile if you are in need of immediate assistance until backup and a supervisor arrive. Proactive Policing will very soon be a thing of the past to Joys of the ACLU....Lets see how that's going to work....Hint,Hint....Look At Shitcago...
This made me laugh because just yesterday I was thinking about how "card carrying members of the ACLU" were one of the villains of either the '88 or '92 election. Help me out musky. You sound like a grumpy 50 year old, so you were around then.
You need a lot more then HELP after reading your posts Pal . Perhaps your Ducks will cheer you up this weekend...they better cover since I got a lot of Dough riding on them. And negative to your question, when I turn 50 I will be living on my property on the Big Island w/ my pals over there that get it.
Ducks? That's a kick in the nads. Oregon State =Beavs. Ducks = some other school full of Californians.
Right right right.... I don't know why I said Ducks, long day of driving back to the suck from northern Wisconsin
I had no sound, but the video shows a bunch of dickheads shooting some guy down on his luck. Releasing the dog on him was a nice touch after all the shots had been fired.
This is definitely tragic and sad. But I have several problems with the article linked. "Murdered for illegally camping" is what the author claims. I'm pretty sure they shot him because he was wielding 2 knives that he refused to put down and threatened the officers with them, and nothing to do with the camping. I wish the media would report the whole story instead of making up their own facts.
Here are the facts: He was illegally camping and creating a disturbance so police were called. He threatened police. He refused to put down his knife. Continued to threaten police. He did place the knife in his pocket and agreed to walk down. The flash bang was used because he was still armed-he refused to put down his knife! The police are not going to escort someone they know to be armed without disarming them. The flash bang frightened him and prompted him to pull out 2 knives. The knives prompted police to shoot. He refused to drop the knives (yes, because he was fatally injured or dead, but the police don't know that. They don't want to check for a pulse and get stabbed) so that is why the dog was sent.
I do believe it could have been handled better. They were probably following tactical procedures that are not adopted for mentally ill people. But to say he was murdered for camping is just ridiculous.
This is definitely tragic and sad. But I have several problems with the article linked. "Murdered for illegally camping" is what the author claims. I'm pretty sure they shot him because he was wielding 2 knives that he refused to put down and threatened the officers with them, and nothing to do with the camping. I wish the media would report the whole story instead of making up their own facts.
Here are the facts: He was illegally camping and creating a disturbance so police were called. He threatened police. He refused to put down his knife. Continued to threaten police. He did place the knife in his pocket and agreed to walk down. The flash bang was used because he was still armed-he refused to put down his knife! The police are not going to escort someone they know to be armed without disarming them. The flash bang frightened him and prompted him to pull out 2 knives. The knives prompted police to shoot. He refused to drop the knives (yes, because he was fatally injured or dead, but the police don't know that. They don't want to check for a pulse and get stabbed) so that is why the dog was sent.
I do believe it could have been handled better. They were probably following tactical procedures that are not adopted for mentally ill people. But to say he was murdered for camping is just ridiculous.
The video I watched showed him grabbing all his stuff- packing up- and then the cop threw the stun grenade, which had him grabbing his knives.
The video also showed the cops firing some extra rounds into him as he lied there not moving and bleeding to death. Not to mention sicking the dog on him which grabbed him by the leg and started tearing into him.
Sorry, man. I'll side with the officers whenever there is any doubt; however, there's no doubt here.
Was your sound on? Those extra shots you were referring to were bean bags. You could hear the officer warning he's going to shoot a bean bag because he didn't let go of the knife. Yes, he was gravely wounded and maybe dead at that point, but they weren't just shooting him when he was down. It was bean bags. They did that so in case he wasn't dead, they don't get stabbed when they check his pulse.
My point was they knew he was armed because he had been wielding the knives and threatening the cops with it, he refused to put down the knives, they used a flash bang and a taser in an attempt to disarm him, which only prompted him to pull out the knives while the cops were approaching. That's why he was shot. They used the flash bang and taser because he was armed and threatened cops and refused to put down the knives, they are not going to escort someone who they know is armed and been threatening them without disarming them first.
The video most of the media is showing conveniently only shows him grabbing his backpack, and omits the parts where the cops repeatedly ask him to put down the knives.
So what makes the cops a murderer if they use a taser and flash bang to disarm a subject who they know is armed and threatening them? What makes them a murderer when the same person who had been threatening them pulls out two knives and they decide to shoot as a third option (they tried 2 non-lethal options first)? What is wrong with using more non-lethal force (bean bags and a dog) when the subject is still clearly holding 2 knives, and a clear possibly threat? I don't expect cops to die before they are allowed to use lethal force.
Like I said in my first post, they probably could have done a better job especially given the mental state, but given the information I would not call them a murderer. And neither did 9 people who sat through 12 days of evidence as opposed to 5 minutes of reading an article like most of us probably did here.
What was probably covered in those 12 days that isn't reported unless I bother to read 12 days worth of transcripts are testimony about the training they received, what information they had about the subject, etc. If I heard testimony that their tactics went against training, or had special training designed for mental illnesses that restricted the use of a flash bang because it could prompt this sort of reaction then maybe. But even then it wouldn't be murder, maybe negligent homicide or something, but not murder. Given the facts he was threatening them with 2 knives I don't see how you could convince me these cops were just out to commit murder on someone for illegal camping.
Sound not on so I hear you with the bean bag thing. Sound also wasn't on for the one cop saying- after exulting the fact they were inconvenienced policing him- that he was going to shoot him in the penis. So that might need to be mentioned as well.
Fair enough, however in my opinion... the guy was clearly down for the count. The officers could have easily advanced on him and taken the weapons without placing themselves in harm's way.
It was excessive, man. Pure and simple.
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That's pretty brutal. This is yet another good example as to why all cars should be outfitted with dash cams (two of them - one to film the driver's side, and one to film out the windshield).
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That's pretty brutal. This is yet another good example as to why all cars should be outfitted with dash cams (two of them - one to film the driver's side, and one to film out the windshield).
I fail to see how this qualifies him as "another oath breaking piece of garbage."
The cop was wrong, no question about that. The dude had a right to be upset, I would too. But doesn't everyone realize cops are human too, they are going to make a mistake? This mistake didn't cost anyone harm or injury, just couple minutes of the dude's time. Has no one else ever made a turn and accidentally cut someone off and not even realize it? It happens. I thought the cop was professional, he didn't yank the dude out of the car and beat him up for refusing to produce his registration
The cop made a mistake, he was wrong, probably didn't even realize it. How does that make him a piece of garbage. I always thought I was the only one to never make a mistake, everyone else here hasn't either I guess, just these cops?
You're really going to call everyone who makes a minor mistake at their job a piece of garbage? Cashier gave me the wrong change, piece of garbage! Dude at McDonalds gave me the wrong order, piece of garbage! The mailman lost my mail, what an oath breaking piece of garbage! You must hate everyone in your life.
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Not saying that applies here but it has many times before.
That an ignorant thing to say.
"NEVER" is too much, but I agree with the premise.
Calling the police to deal with a family member is not smart at all, it should be a last resort for when you fear that family member will hurt someone. Any other reason is just creating an opportunity for trouble to arise.
The latest video out of Ft. Worth shows that calling the police is a potentially stupid mistake if you are not in danger.
Black woman calls police because adult neighbor is alleged to have assaulted her minor son. Officer arrives and directs his scrutiny towards the black people who called the police. Officer is reluctant to deal with the matter and questions her parenting. Black woman gets angry, says that the adult neighbor has no right to put his hands on the child. Officer asks, "Why not?" Black woman gets angry at such a ridiculous thing to say so the officer assaults her and another victim and takes them to jail.
The latest video out of Ft. Worth shows that calling the police is a potentially stupid mistake if you are not in danger.
Black woman calls police because adult neighbor is alleged to have assaulted her minor son. Officer arrives and directs his scrutiny towards the black people who called the police. Officer is reluctant to deal with the matter and questions her parenting. Black woman gets angry, says that the adult neighbor has no right to put his hands on the child. Officer asks, "Why not?" Black woman gets angry at such a ridiculous thing to say so the officer assaults her and another victim and takes them to jail.
How else to file a report? At what point is someone in "danger"? You mean only call police when there is a chance of death?
The latest video out of Ft. Worth shows that calling the police is a potentially stupid mistake if you are not in danger.
Black woman calls police because adult neighbor is alleged to have assaulted her minor son. Officer arrives and directs his scrutiny towards the black people who called the police. Officer is reluctant to deal with the matter and questions her parenting. Black woman gets angry, says that the adult neighbor has no right to put his hands on the child. Officer asks, "Why not?" Black woman gets angry at such a ridiculous thing to say so the officer assaults her and another victim and takes them to jail.
How else to file a report? At what point is someone in "danger"? You mean only call police when there is a chance of death?
You can file a report by going to the police station. A person's judegement of when they are in danger is their own, why the hyperbole?
The latest video out of Ft. Worth shows that calling the police is a potentially stupid mistake if you are not in danger.
Black woman calls police because adult neighbor is alleged to have assaulted her minor son. Officer arrives and directs his scrutiny towards the black people who called the police. Officer is reluctant to deal with the matter and questions her parenting. Black woman gets angry, says that the adult neighbor has no right to put his hands on the child. Officer asks, "Why not?" Black woman gets angry at such a ridiculous thing to say so the officer assaults her and another victim and takes them to jail.
How else to file a report? At what point is someone in "danger"? You mean only call police when there is a chance of death?
You can file a report by going to the police station. A person's judegement of when they are in danger is their own, why the hyperbole?
Because maybe she felt/judged her son was in danger. I would guess that wasn't the first incident among them. In any case I would think the officer should attempt to deescalate not provoke the complainant.
The latest video out of Ft. Worth shows that calling the police is a potentially stupid mistake if you are not in danger.
Black woman calls police because adult neighbor is alleged to have assaulted her minor son. Officer arrives and directs his scrutiny towards the black people who called the police. Officer is reluctant to deal with the matter and questions her parenting. Black woman gets angry, says that the adult neighbor has no right to put his hands on the child. Officer asks, "Why not?" Black woman gets angry at such a ridiculous thing to say so the officer assaults her and another victim and takes them to jail.
That cop has no business being a cop. What an asshole.
The latest video out of Ft. Worth shows that calling the police is a potentially stupid mistake if you are not in danger.
Black woman calls police because adult neighbor is alleged to have assaulted her minor son. Officer arrives and directs his scrutiny towards the black people who called the police. Officer is reluctant to deal with the matter and questions her parenting. Black woman gets angry, says that the adult neighbor has no right to put his hands on the child. Officer asks, "Why not?" Black woman gets angry at such a ridiculous thing to say so the officer assaults her and another victim and takes them to jail.
That cop has no business being a cop. What an asshole.
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I know several racist (homophobic, Islamaphobic, xenophobic, anti-Semitic, and anti-immigrant as well) police officers, and the only officer we have that posts here has made many racist remarks.
I believe the number one reason for this is simply because it is a job that nasty people are drawn to.
Of the 3 cops I personally know, 2 were high school bullies looking to relive the glory days and one was the bullied, now looking to pay it forward. The pay is low, the standards are even lower, and the oversight is nearly non-existent. Those factors lead to far too many people taking up the profession as a means to satisfy their desire for power. None of the 3 I personally know should have passed the screening, 2 are dumb shit and the other is a pothead who can't bench-press a wet towel.
If we can admit we have a policing problem in this country we can work towards fixing it by creating a profession which will weed out the bad apples instead of defending them for the indefensible. It's one of the hardest jobs imaginable, so why don't we pay them 6 figures and require them to be intelligent, calm, and physically fit? Heck of a start that would make, then we could get back to trying to tackle poverty, which isn't nearly as easily solved.
If you have a Nazi tattoo on your forearm, you should never get to be a police officer, that seems like common sense, doesn't it?
I had no sound, but the video shows a bunch of dickheads shooting some guy down on his luck. Releasing the dog on him was a nice touch after all the shots had been fired.
I wish the media would report the whole story instead of making up their own facts.
Here are the facts: He was illegally camping and creating a disturbance so police were called.
He threatened police.
He refused to put down his knife.
Continued to threaten police.
He did place the knife in his pocket and agreed to walk down.
The flash bang was used because he was still armed-he refused to put down his knife! The police are not going to escort someone they know to be armed without disarming them.
The flash bang frightened him and prompted him to pull out 2 knives.
The knives prompted police to shoot.
He refused to drop the knives (yes, because he was fatally injured or dead, but the police don't know that. They don't want to check for a pulse and get stabbed) so that is why the dog was sent.
I do believe it could have been handled better. They were probably following tactical procedures that are not adopted for mentally ill people. But to say he was murdered for camping is just ridiculous.
The video also showed the cops firing some extra rounds into him as he lied there not moving and bleeding to death. Not to mention sicking the dog on him which grabbed him by the leg and started tearing into him.
Sorry, man. I'll side with the officers whenever there is any doubt; however, there's no doubt here.
My point was they knew he was armed because he had been wielding the knives and threatening the cops with it, he refused to put down the knives, they used a flash bang and a taser in an attempt to disarm him, which only prompted him to pull out the knives while the cops were approaching. That's why he was shot. They used the flash bang and taser because he was armed and threatened cops and refused to put down the knives, they are not going to escort someone who they know is armed and been threatening them without disarming them first.
The video most of the media is showing conveniently only shows him grabbing his backpack, and omits the parts where the cops repeatedly ask him to put down the knives.
So what makes the cops a murderer if they use a taser and flash bang to disarm a subject who they know is armed and threatening them?
What makes them a murderer when the same person who had been threatening them pulls out two knives and they decide to shoot as a third option (they tried 2 non-lethal options first)?
What is wrong with using more non-lethal force (bean bags and a dog) when the subject is still clearly holding 2 knives, and a clear possibly threat?
I don't expect cops to die before they are allowed to use lethal force.
Like I said in my first post, they probably could have done a better job especially given the mental state, but given the information I would not call them a murderer. And neither did 9 people who sat through 12 days of evidence as opposed to 5 minutes of reading an article like most of us probably did here.
What was probably covered in those 12 days that isn't reported unless I bother to read 12 days worth of transcripts are testimony about the training they received, what information they had about the subject, etc. If I heard testimony that their tactics went against training, or had special training designed for mental illnesses that restricted the use of a flash bang because it could prompt this sort of reaction then maybe. But even then it wouldn't be murder, maybe negligent homicide or something, but not murder. Given the facts he was threatening them with 2 knives I don't see how you could convince me these cops were just out to commit murder on someone for illegal camping.
Fair enough, however in my opinion... the guy was clearly down for the count. The officers could have easily advanced on him and taken the weapons without placing themselves in harm's way.
It was excessive, man. Pure and simple.
This is yet another good example as to why all cars should be outfitted with dash cams (two of them - one to film the driver's side, and one to film out the windshield).
The cop was wrong, no question about that. The dude had a right to be upset, I would too.
But doesn't everyone realize cops are human too, they are going to make a mistake? This mistake didn't cost anyone harm or injury, just couple minutes of the dude's time. Has no one else ever made a turn and accidentally cut someone off and not even realize it? It happens. I thought the cop was professional, he didn't yank the dude out of the car and beat him up for refusing to produce his registration
The cop made a mistake, he was wrong, probably didn't even realize it. How does that make him a piece of garbage. I always thought I was the only one to never make a mistake, everyone else here hasn't either I guess, just these cops?
You're really going to call everyone who makes a minor mistake at their job a piece of garbage? Cashier gave me the wrong change, piece of garbage! Dude at McDonalds gave me the wrong order, piece of garbage! The mailman lost my mail, what an oath breaking piece of garbage!
You must hate everyone in your life.
Oh and Hillary Clinton.
And one other person whom shall go unnamed.
Thanks.
Thin blue line executes unarmed man with early onset dementia.
Who called the police on this guy stating he was threatening people with a gun? That person needs a Chadwick slap.
Not saying that applies here but it has many times before.
Calling the police to deal with a family member is not smart at all, it should be a last resort for when you fear that family member will hurt someone. Any other reason is just creating an opportunity for trouble to arise.
Black woman calls police because adult neighbor is alleged to have assaulted her minor son.
Officer arrives and directs his scrutiny towards the black people who called the police.
Officer is reluctant to deal with the matter and questions her parenting.
Black woman gets angry, says that the adult neighbor has no right to put his hands on the child.
Officer asks, "Why not?"
Black woman gets angry at such a ridiculous thing to say so the officer assaults her and another victim and takes them to jail.
At what point is someone in "danger"?
You mean only call police when there is a chance of death?
A person's judegement of when they are in danger is their own, why the hyperbole?