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2 questions for the smart kids who knew PJ would play 80 min sets w/ Petty
markinsand
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Sorry these questions are buried in another thread , #1 is legit, #2 is more sarcastic but if you are "in the know" as with your definition of "Full set" knowledge please share. Keep in mind the 10c release stated BOTH bands would be playing "full sets" so Petty is doing encores and PJ is not, but by what was stated one could assume if Petty does an encore PJ would /could do an encore.
I'm over it and ready to move on though, not that anyone cares, but tomorrow is my bday and I'll be with my wife. It is her first PJ show and really why I was bummed to hear it'd be short sets. She won't be able to experience PJ as I have, hopefully another year. But regardless I'll be seeing PJ and also seeing Petty for the first tim ever!
1. Did the 10c have tix for when PJ opened for the Stones? If not one would conclude it would be an opening act role, when 10c offers tickets to Pearl Jam concerts I assume it's a full show or they would not even be able to get tickets for their fans
2. What is the difference between "special night" and "co-headlining" ?
I'm over it and ready to move on though, not that anyone cares, but tomorrow is my bday and I'll be with my wife. It is her first PJ show and really why I was bummed to hear it'd be short sets. She won't be able to experience PJ as I have, hopefully another year. But regardless I'll be seeing PJ and also seeing Petty for the first tim ever!
1. Did the 10c have tix for when PJ opened for the Stones? If not one would conclude it would be an opening act role, when 10c offers tickets to Pearl Jam concerts I assume it's a full show or they would not even be able to get tickets for their fans
2. What is the difference between "special night" and "co-headlining" ?
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Just my thought.
if you aren't going to answer the questions why post, seriously?!
Stub Hub vs. Ten Club??? Where am I complaining about seat location? Who's to say if I knew it was an opening role I would not have bought bleachers and saved $100? Not saying I would but there were penty of good pavilion seats for both shows as well, I bought them for friends, so I know.
I am with you though, I would be a little upset. But then you gotta think, they don't even have to play here at all. I think PJ should atleast do 1 encore.
I went with some friends who signed up with 10C just for this tour and then went to the St Paul shows. And that is exactly what they bitched about...
"If I'd known they were opening, I would've got normal tickets and saved $$$$"
I understand their point, as does my bank account, but if money was a problem, then they should always buy the cheap seats.
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Another note on tickets....
I met 2 girls from Boston who were able to order 5th row tickets(both nights) via ticketmaster. They said they could't believe thier luck and that was why they flew in for the shows. They then were able to hop up into empty seats dead center 2nd row(Lots of emptys up close for night 2)
How is this possible? I came up with a couple of thoughts:
1) That some fanclub tix(either 10C or Petty) were returned and then resold.
2) They were lying
Any other ideas?
"All of us are entitled to our own opinion but not our own facts." Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan
You've posted this in multiple threads. Clearly you are not over it.
Red Rocks 95 (the best venue)
Fiddlers Green 98 (good 10c seats)
Albuquerque 00 (good road trip, best 10c seats)
Pepsi Center 03 (best show)
Pepsi Center 06 X 2 (still mad about TPHB)
Portland 09
Up Next :Telluride x 2 16
i was hoping to get the ?'s more exposure cause they were buried in that other thread, only 1 other thread...
I'm good though.... 4 more hours!!!
Right you are.
Are both bands playing for similar amount of time, maybe Petty just a lil bit more? In that case, no need to argue.
When two big bands share a tour, both shows are shorter, there is no way you would get 25-30 songs from each... that would be like a 4-hour show!!
I've seen bands pull of 3-4 hour shows, but usually that is an exception!
I'm pretty sure the band would be quite embarrassed to see what you are bitching and complaining about and how a large number of "fans" act on this message board.
I was talking to the people in front of me at Monday's show and they bought ticketmaster tickets. I did see a lot of people near the front that had the ticketmaster do-it-yourself ticket page too.
I'm just glad I had seats and got to see Pearl Jam.
Chris
On the topic of knowing that PJ wouldn't play 2.5 hours:
a) A "set" means main set, encores are called encores for a reason...they are bonus songs.
b) Jeff said so in an interview
c) Common sense. Not to try to sound like a dick about it, but if you'd think about it...7:30 showtime and a 11:30/12:00 curfew...AT LEAST a 1/2 hour set change (nearly an hour in this case)....how much time does that leave? Pearl Jam isn't going to play 3 hours and leave Petty with only an hour.
That was my logic at least...and I'm fine with it because I know full well PJ wouldn't have played MN if it wasn't for Petty.
"Japan is awesome; the fans there knew all the words to all the songs...at least phonetically." - Stone
"I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version." - EV
Why do people make it sound like it would be impossible for 2 bands with extensive catalogues to play a 4 hour show?
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Because that is not how the business works.
How is that? People paid extra for the tickets, so why shouldn't the bands be able to play a bit longer? I think it's a realistic expectation.
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Sammi: Wanna just break up?
1. you paid extra compared to a PJ only concert. Not a Tom Petty concert, and especially not a Tom Petty concert with Pearl Jam
2. Curfews
Bands can start earlier... you know, sort of how festivals do it.
As far as paying extra compared to a Pearl Jam ticket- they were taking part in this, therefore it is a valid comparison. These are expectations that the band has set. I'm sure they are aware of what their fans expect, especially when they do something "special" and charge more per ticket.
I just really see no reason why PJ couldn't have gotten 2 hours. It would be possible. The decision was just made for this not to be the case, which I think people have the right to be put off by.
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Festivals are not held at these venues.
It's a tom petty show. This was made very clear all along. Not sure why this is news to so many of you.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Festivals not being held at those venues is way beside the point. I'm just saying that it is possible to have 4 hours of live music at one event. Something that some people here seem to believe to be an impossible occurence in our world.
Yes, it's a Tom Petty show, fine. All I'm saying is that Pearl Jam easily could have had a 2 hour set. There was a decision that this would not be the case. That decision I feel is unfair to the people who paid twice the normal PJ ticket price for half a PJ set, when it was billed at least by 10C as a co-headlining gig.
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Pearl Jam played 17 or 18 songs during their full set each night. That's about the same as their full set during a regular tour concert when they are the headliner. They usually get 6 to 10 songs in through encores.
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers played about the same amount of songs when you count their full set and encore. The reason the sets are longer for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers is commentary between songs (which was nearly identical both nights).
If you're looking for 150 minutes of Pearl Jam, skip the Tom Petty shows. If you're looking for 150 minutes of energy pushed through in 90 minutes, you should see the shows.
Could the Ten Club have been more up front about how the shows would be? Maybe and maybe not. Details may have been negotiated until after the pre-sale. People who bought tickets through the Petty Fan Club weren't even told where to expect seating (this, according to at least 10 Petty Club members from night one).
After seeing how Petty's crew works a show, I can't fault anything about Pearl Jam and the way they run things.
What the hell do you mean by this? I'm not trying to be a dick - I just want a clarification of the "I know full well".
Quit yer bitchin'.
Well the brevity of Pearl Jam's set was news to me, but I guess I'm one of the dim ones.
You see I bought tickets to Pearl Jam's tour from Pearl Jam's website which one can only buy if you're a member of Pearl Jam's fanclub. I should've known it was a Tom Petty Show.
PS I really liked both shows.
"All of us are entitled to our own opinion but not our own facts." Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan
why do people seem to think that nice, long Pearl Jam shows are a birthright?
You realize at any moment, on any random night, with or without Tom Petty, Pearl Jam is perfectly within its rights to play 17 songs and leave.
That's how most every major touring act today does it. Hell, I remember going to see STP once ... they played 13 songs.
So, the next time you're jumping up and down during a third PJ encore, remember it's a priviledge and not a right.
for the least they could possibly do
People pay for something based on their knowledge about what they will be getting. If you eat at a favourite restaurant that has amazing food, it doesn't mean that it's a "birthright" to have said food. But if you show up one night and the food isn't as good as it always is or if you receive only half of the normal portion for twice the price, you may question what the hell is going on.
You're right, there is no birthright here. There also are no free shows. People pay for tickets, travel, accomodation and whatever else. They pay this based on what they have learned to expect from the product. It's very simple economics.
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sure they are been to a few at marcus
anyhow, great shows tonight by both bands! excellent evening!