ha Unsung didn't like my comment just 8 days ago a mad man killed 8 because he thought the invasion was happening because our great leader had said so , so nothing would surprize me if this mad man felt the same way or holds the same beliefs ....MAGA the massacres are just part of being great get used to it !
jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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ha Unsung didn't like my comment just 8 days ago a mad man killed 8 because he thought the invasion was happening because our great leader had said so , so nothing would surprize me if this mad man felt the same way or holds the same beliefs ....MAGA the massacres are just part of being great get used to it !
Boy on boy. That invasion sure seemed imminent just a few days ago.
ha Unsung didn't like my comment just 8 days ago a mad man killed 8 because he thought the invasion was happening because our great leader had said so , so nothing would surprize me if this mad man felt the same way or holds the same beliefs ....MAGA the massacres are just part of being great get used to it !
Boy on boy. That invasion sure seemed imminent just a few days ago.
Now? Not so much. I wonder why?
Because the military has to march around Washington on Monday before going to the border.
I refuse to acknowledge the name of the shooter. They don't deserve publicity. Those involved need to know for the investigation, but the media should quit publicizing the name. If anyone's name should be released, it's the victims (if approved by family of course) so people can see the havoc gun violence plays on everyday friends and neighbors. In this digital age, the name of the shooter will get around anyway, but the media should take the stance of not mentioning it anywhere.
Anyway, I think we fail horribly at gun control prior to purchase and when the individual starts popping up with contacts related to law enforcement and mental instability. This shooter was a former active duty marine who probably suffered from PTSD (my unproven opinion) and we failed to intervene and provide adequate care. When the red flags started popping up, the guns should have been removed from his possession, but we all know that would create an uproar from the 2A crowd. There should be an easily established set of criteria that provide a more thorough background related to psychological assessment before purchase. Then there needs to be a process in place that initiates a review of the gun owner's fitness to continue to possess firearms when certain contacts are had with law enforcement or medical professionals or just every 3 - 5 years in general. Of course that would mean a gun registry. No good for right now, but our future would be much brighter 20 years from now.
Local police reported numerous contacts with the former Marine on Wednesday, including a call that led officers to his home in April of this year. Officials found Mr Long acting "irate and irrationally," however, he was not taken into custody at the time. A mental health crisis team was called to the scene.
The suspect also had prior run-ins with the police, including a traffic incident and another time in which he was the victim of a battery at a bar.
Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.
Wonder when the next one is gonna be?
And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.
My point being regulation will never end. It will wind up with an all out ban.
On certain weapons and magazines... that would be fantastic!
Which is what people are afraid of. Regulation will never stop.
I did ask a question that was asked before hoping to hear a different argument and I apologize for that.
The only people afraid of that are the 'enthusiasts' that like shooting shit and are prepared to accept collateral damage in the form of mass shootings so they can hoist a slick new AR15 over their shoulder and look like the man.
If I remember correctly, most of the US wants meaningful change.
Some form of change. It was never specified as what type of change.
I like shooting shit... I don't go around looking like "the man" though.
Some stereotypes just stick though...
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Another day, another shooting. Another statistic to prove we are the greatest... as in quantity... as in gun deaths.
This is not going well, America.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Gee. When I asked when the next one was gonna be yesterday... I didn't realize it was gonna be the same day.
Wonder when the next one is gonna be?
And you go about preventing this with meaningful gun regulations. Geezuz Tempo it's been answered millions of times. You have no solution for the carnage you experience at the moment- previous generations have failed you. But in a decade or so... you have a chance to make college goers safe when they are blowing off steam.
My point being regulation will never end. It will wind up with an all out ban.
On certain weapons and magazines... that would be fantastic!
Which is what people are afraid of. Regulation will never stop.
I did ask a question that was asked before hoping to hear a different argument and I apologize for that.
The only people afraid of that are the 'enthusiasts' that like shooting shit and are prepared to accept collateral damage in the form of mass shootings so they can hoist a slick new AR15 over their shoulder and look like the man.
If I remember correctly, most of the US wants meaningful change.
Some form of change. It was never specified as what type of change.
I like shooting shit... I don't go around looking like "the man" though.
Some stereotypes just stick though...
When they're really accurate... they tend to stick for sure.
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court. Nice fantasy though.
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court. Nice fantasy though.
Sure it could. Read Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller decision. There's no reason to believe that revolvers and bolt action couldn't be the extent of available guns. Why do you think it wouldn't fall into the concept of reasonable limitations? Where do you think the line exists?
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court. Nice fantasy though.
Sure it could. Read Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller decision. There's no reason to believe that revolvers and bolt action couldn't be the extent of available guns. Why do you think it wouldn't fall into the concept of reasonable limitations? Where do you think the line exists?
Well, you could ask judge Kavanaugh. He was pretty clear on his definition of “common”. But if you are looking for a battle to lose, that’s your prerogative. Cannot even get ar-15s banned, let alone all semi-auto pistols and rifles.
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court. Nice fantasy though.
Sure it could. Read Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller decision. There's no reason to believe that revolvers and bolt action couldn't be the extent of available guns. Why do you think it wouldn't fall into the concept of reasonable limitations? Where do you think the line exists?
Well, you could ask judge Kavanaugh. He was pretty clear on his definition of “common”. But if you are looking for a battle to lose, that’s your prerogative. Cannot even get ar-15s banned, let alone all semi-auto pistols and rifles.
The SCOTUS ruled that AR-15 ban is Unconstitutional? Please point me to that.
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court. Nice fantasy though.
Sure it could. Read Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller decision. There's no reason to believe that revolvers and bolt action couldn't be the extent of available guns. Why do you think it wouldn't fall into the concept of reasonable limitations? Where do you think the line exists?
Well, you could ask judge Kavanaugh. He was pretty clear on his definition of “common”. But if you are looking for a battle to lose, that’s your prerogative. Cannot even get ar-15s banned, let alone all semi-auto pistols and rifles.
The SCOTUS ruled that AR-15 ban is Unconstitutional? Please point me to that.
I’m not sure that is what I said...? I said that they cannot or have not yet despite many attempts.
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court. Nice fantasy though.
Sure it could. Read Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller decision. There's no reason to believe that revolvers and bolt action couldn't be the extent of available guns. Why do you think it wouldn't fall into the concept of reasonable limitations? Where do you think the line exists?
Well, you could ask judge Kavanaugh. He was pretty clear on his definition of “common”. But if you are looking for a battle to lose, that’s your prerogative. Cannot even get ar-15s banned, let alone all semi-auto pistols and rifles.
The SCOTUS ruled that AR-15 ban is Unconstitutional? Please point me to that.
I’m not sure that is what I said...? I said that they cannot or have not yet despite many attempts.
You're confusing me with the non-sequitur. The question was about the Constitutionality, not whether the Congress had the will to do it (although don't forget they did it in 94 for 10 years, so it's not unheard of).
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court. Nice fantasy though.
Sure it could. Read Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller decision. There's no reason to believe that revolvers and bolt action couldn't be the extent of available guns. Why do you think it wouldn't fall into the concept of reasonable limitations? Where do you think the line exists?
Well, you could ask judge Kavanaugh. He was pretty clear on his definition of “common”. But if you are looking for a battle to lose, that’s your prerogative. Cannot even get ar-15s banned, let alone all semi-auto pistols and rifles.
The SCOTUS ruled that AR-15 ban is Unconstitutional? Please point me to that.
I’m not sure that is what I said...? I said that they cannot or have not yet despite many attempts.
You're confusing me with the non-sequitur. The question was about the Constitutionality, not whether the Congress had the will to do it (although don't forget they did it in 94 for 10 years, so it's not unheard of).
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
That was also an import ban. It said nothing about selling the ones that were already in the states though. That was grandfathered.
If they are here but can be bought and sold among each other is that ok?
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
Not sure all of that would hold up in the Supreme Court. Nice fantasy though.
Sure it could. Read Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller decision. There's no reason to believe that revolvers and bolt action couldn't be the extent of available guns. Why do you think it wouldn't fall into the concept of reasonable limitations? Where do you think the line exists?
Well, you could ask judge Kavanaugh. He was pretty clear on his definition of “common”. But if you are looking for a battle to lose, that’s your prerogative. Cannot even get ar-15s banned, let alone all semi-auto pistols and rifles.
The SCOTUS ruled that AR-15 ban is Unconstitutional? Please point me to that.
I’m not sure that is what I said...? I said that they cannot or have not yet despite many attempts.
You're confusing me with the non-sequitur. The question was about the Constitutionality, not whether the Congress had the will to do it (although don't forget they did it in 94 for 10 years, so it's not unheard of).
If we want to play wild west with our gun laws then we should go back to wild west guns. Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
That was also an import ban. It said nothing about selling the ones that were already in the states though. That was grandfathered.
If they are here but can be bought and sold among each other is that ok?
Not to mention that it didn’t even come close to only allowing revolvers and bolt actions either. There are plenty of semi-autos out there that have never been banned.
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
I am at a loss, what do you do here? The guy should have never had a firearm. ugh.
Dean said that investigators were seeking a search warrant to look through Long's house, where he lived with his mother.
A neighbor told CNN that Long's mother "lived in fear" of what her son might do, saying when police were called to the house earlier this year "it took them about a half a day to get him out of the house."
Neighbor Richard Berge said Long's mother told him she was concerned about her son, though not worried about her own safety, and that "she was ... kind of beside herself, she didn't know what to do because he wouldn't get help."Dean said that investigators were seeking a search warrant to look through Long's house, where he lived with his mother.
A neighbor told CNN that Long's mother "lived in fear" of what her son might do, saying when police were called to the house earlier this year "it took them about a half a day to get him out of the house."
Neighbor Richard Berge said Long's mother told him she was concerned about her son, though not worried about her own safety, and that "she was ... kind of beside herself, she didn't know what to do because he wouldn't get help."
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
lol yeah who and what administration will do that ? we will just have to get used to these massacres it's not like a hundred got mowed down it was only 12 this is part of the gun culture own it ....
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
lol yeah who and what administration will do that ? we will just have to get used to these massacres it's not like a hundred got mowed down it was only 12 this is part of the gun culture own it ....
gun culture own what? It was a former Marine who I am guessing had some demons. Blame the individual, not the supposed shooter and in this case get them some help.
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
lol yeah who and what administration will do that ? we will just have to get used to these massacres it's not like a hundred got mowed down it was only 12 this is part of the gun culture own it ....
gun culture own what? It was a former Marine who I am guessing had some demons. Blame the individual, not the supposed shooter and in this case get them some help.
Why is it always a male? ugh
And an assault rifle too. Why can't it be a shotgun sometimes?
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
You must tread lightly when you want people to seek out appropriate mental healthcare and threaten to take away their personal property if they do so, I can only envision less people seeking mental health care. We definitely need to be doing a better job taking care of our veterans, though, the suicide rate is sickening.
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
lol yeah who and what administration will do that ? we will just have to get used to these massacres it's not like a hundred got mowed down it was only 12 this is part of the gun culture own it ....
gun culture own what? It was a former Marine who I am guessing had some demons. Blame the individual, not the supposed shooter and in this case get them some help.
Why is it always a male? ugh
And an assault rifle too. Why can't it be a shotgun sometimes?
I know you are using sarcasm but I can't even begin to imagine how much more deadly last night would have been if the guy used a shotgun.
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
You must tread lightly when you want people to seek out appropriate mental healthcare and threaten to take away their personal property if they do so, I can only envision less people seeking mental health care. We definitely need to be doing a better job taking care of our veterans, though, the suicide rate is sickening.
I know it is a slippery slope. I don't know what could have been done but the guy definitely had some red flags.
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
lol yeah who and what administration will do that ? we will just have to get used to these massacres it's not like a hundred got mowed down it was only 12 this is part of the gun culture own it ....
gun culture own what? It was a former Marine who I am guessing had some demons. Blame the individual, not the supposed shooter and in this case get them some help.
Why is it always a male? ugh
How many other individuals had mental issues that decided it was time to mow down a few dozen individuals , it's not only the soldiers that need mental help it's thousands of people out here who own guns that have mental issues ...The gun culture in this country has to take a hit on these massacres ...
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
lol yeah who and what administration will do that ? we will just have to get used to these massacres it's not like a hundred got mowed down it was only 12 this is part of the gun culture own it ....
gun culture own what? It was a former Marine who I am guessing had some demons. Blame the individual, not the supposed shooter and in this case get them some help.
Why is it always a male? ugh
And an assault rifle too. Why can't it be a shotgun sometimes?
I know you are using sarcasm but I can't even begin to imagine how much more deadly last night would have been if the guy used a shotgun.
Debatable.
No pistol grip. No large capacity magazine. Folding the gun in half to reload both barrels.
A while back in this thread, we saw some woman get shot in the face by a shotgun and her injuries amounted to prying pellets out of her cheek (yes... point blank is another story... but you have to get someone point blank to shoot them point blank- it's tough to do with everyone running away).
Shooter yesterday was a marine who served for 4 1/2 years and was in Afghanistan. God damn we need to get our vets better help when they get home. I know it is a slippery slope but the guy had just met with a mental health specialist, to me all firearms should have been confiscated at this point.
lol yeah who and what administration will do that ? we will just have to get used to these massacres it's not like a hundred got mowed down it was only 12 this is part of the gun culture own it ....
gun culture own what? It was a former Marine who I am guessing had some demons. Blame the individual, not the supposed shooter and in this case get them some help.
Why is it always a male? ugh
And an assault rifle too. Why can't it be a shotgun sometimes?
I know you are using sarcasm but I can't even begin to imagine how much more deadly last night would have been if the guy used a shotgun.
Debatable.
No pistol grip. No large capacity magazine. Folding the gun in half to reload both barrels.
A while back in this thread, we saw some woman get shot in the face by a shotgun and her injuries amounted to prying pellets out of her cheek (yes... point blank is another story... but you have to get someone point blank to shoot them point blank- it's tough to do with everyone running away).
You do realize that not all shotguns are double barrel that you have to fold in half and there are a variety of shotgun rounds that do different amounts of damage, right? Also many varieties that are semi-auto and can be equipped with large capacity magazines. You’re smarter than that Thirty.
This thread was started 2014 can someone tell us if any new legislation has been passed since , i don't even want to know the number killed since then ...
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Now? Not so much. I wonder why?
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Anyway, I think we fail horribly at gun control prior to purchase and when the individual starts popping up with contacts related to law enforcement and mental instability. This shooter was a former active duty marine who probably suffered from PTSD (my unproven opinion) and we failed to intervene and provide adequate care. When the red flags started popping up, the guns should have been removed from his possession, but we all know that would create an uproar from the 2A crowd. There should be an easily established set of criteria that provide a more thorough background related to psychological assessment before purchase. Then there needs to be a process in place that initiates a review of the gun owner's fitness to continue to possess firearms when certain contacts are had with law enforcement or medical professionals or just every 3 - 5 years in general. Of course that would mean a gun registry. No good for right now, but our future would be much brighter 20 years from now.
Local police reported numerous contacts with the former Marine on Wednesday, including a call that led officers to his home in April of this year. Officials found Mr Long acting "irate and irrationally," however, he was not taken into custody at the time. A mental health crisis team was called to the scene.
The suspect also had prior run-ins with the police, including a traffic incident and another time in which he was the victim of a battery at a bar.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ian-long-california-shooting-suspect-david-identity-gunman-shooter-thousand-oaks-bar-victims-today-a8624221.html
I like shooting shit... I don't go around looking like "the man" though.
Some stereotypes just stick though...
Revolvers and bolt action rifles and fuck everything else and the cowards who can't bear to lose their precious compensators.
If they are here but can be bought and sold among each other is that ok?
Not to mention that it didn’t even come close to only allowing revolvers and bolt actions either. There are plenty of semi-autos out there that have never been banned.
I am at a loss, what do you do here? The guy should have never had a firearm. ugh.
Dean said that investigators were seeking a search warrant to look through Long's house, where he lived with his mother.
Why is it always a male? ugh
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No pistol grip. No large capacity magazine. Folding the gun in half to reload both barrels.
A while back in this thread, we saw some woman get shot in the face by a shotgun and her injuries amounted to prying pellets out of her cheek (yes... point blank is another story... but you have to get someone point blank to shoot them point blank- it's tough to do with everyone running away).