America's Gun Violence

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,477
    I can't afford a tank, I can afford a firearm.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,282
    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

    "The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

    A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.
    Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,832
    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,832
    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

    "The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

    A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.
    Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.
    The AR-15 is basically marketed as a weapon of war that you (YES YOU!) can legally own, because they made it semi-automatic.
    WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,282
    edited March 2017
    unsung said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.
    Mostly true, but let's not disregard the gun toting radical-left idiots either:
    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/03/john-boch/trump-hating-leftists-march-guns-bloodshed-horizon/
    Here's the video:
    https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=fda_1490585820
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,832
    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

    "The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

    A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.
    Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.
    How is this a false equivalency? Let's say I'm loaded ass rich and own acres of land. Maybe my own island? Why wouldn't I want my own fleet of jets with missiles, tanks, rocket launchers to protect myself (or even just for kicks)? Hell, with the way wage disparity is headed in this country, the rich should seriously consider protecting themselves with tanks and private armies.
    WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 4,282
    edited March 2017
    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

    "The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

    A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.
    Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.
    How is this a false equivalency? Let's say I'm loaded ass rich and own acres of land. Maybe my own island? Why wouldn't I want my own fleet of jets with missiles, tanks, rocket launchers to protect myself (or even just for kicks)? Hell, with the way wage disparity is headed in this country, the rich should seriously consider protecting themselves with tanks and private armies.
    I don't know if anyone saying there should be no restrictions, just not ridiculous or infringing ones....and people's definition of ridiculous and infringing is what is in argument. Banning a semi-automatic rifle is ridiculous in my opinion. If you want to start arguing that tanks and jets should be restricted to the military, then go for it...but it would only be opposed by the extreme. That's why it's a false equivalency. It's like me turning it around and saying "let's ban water guns since you want to ban stuff". There are extreme differences between an ar-15 and tank and there are extreme differences from an ar-15 to a water gun.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    the 2nd Amendment guarantees your right to own guns if you can afford them or not is your issue, but if past presidents can hand out cell phones why not issue each American citizen a SW 9mm on their 18th birthday ?...now everybody is covered.

    it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
    as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
  • rssesqrssesq Fairfield CountyPosts: 3,299
    WHERE MY OBAMA FONE AT?
    "Apology made to whoever it pleases, still they got me like Jesus." Chuck D
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,032
    rssesq said:

    WHERE MY OBAMA FONE AT?

    It's a Reagan-Bush phone.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,032
    unsung said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.
    The narrative at play is righties taking one anecdotal story and then generalizing from there. A 12 gauge is more practical because the shooter is more likely to hit the other person, and misses won't go ripping into the neighbors house.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 43,509
    unsung said:

    I can't afford a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    A firearm is no match for a tank, which is what the government has along with fighter jets and missile drones. I don't think your gun is going to do much for you when the revolution starts. ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rssesqrssesq Fairfield CountyPosts: 3,299
    rssesq said:

    WHERE MY OBAMA FONE AT?

    barry only gave em out so the n$a could track the po as well
    "Apology made to whoever it pleases, still they got me like Jesus." Chuck D
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,832
    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

    "The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

    A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.
    Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.
    How is this a false equivalency? Let's say I'm loaded ass rich and own acres of land. Maybe my own island? Why wouldn't I want my own fleet of jets with missiles, tanks, rocket launchers to protect myself (or even just for kicks)? Hell, with the way wage disparity is headed in this country, the rich should seriously consider protecting themselves with tanks and private armies.
    I don't know if anyone saying there should be no restrictions, just not ridiculous or infringing ones....and people's definition of ridiculous and infringing is what is in argument. Banning a semi-automatic rifle is ridiculous in my opinion. If you want to start arguing that tanks and jets should be restricted to the military, then go for it...but it would only be opposed by the extreme. That's why it's a false equivalency. It's like me turning it around and saying "let's ban water guns since you want to ban stuff". There are extreme differences between an ar-15 and tank and there are extreme differences from an ar-15 to a water gun.
    Now you're comparing apples and oranges when you talk about water pistols. Which, incidentally require something like a bright orange tip to specifically distinguish them from real guns.

    Let's say I make $50K per year. And I buy a $500 gun. That's 1% of my income.

    Last year Bill Gates fortune went from $75 billion to $86 billion. 1% of that is $110 million dollars. Which is roughly the cost of a brand new F-35. Why shouldn't he be able to purchase one if he can afford it?

    WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,832

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    the 2nd Amendment guarantees your right to own guns if you can afford them or not is your issue, but if past presidents can hand out cell phones why not issue each American citizen a SW 9mm on their 18th birthday ?...now everybody is covered.

    Or more logically, the 2nd Amendment was referring to a well-regulated militia, which would make more sense.
    WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18
  • rssesqrssesq Fairfield CountyPosts: 3,299
    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

    "The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

    A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.
    Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.
    How is this a false equivalency? Let's say I'm loaded ass rich and own acres of land. Maybe my own island? Why wouldn't I want my own fleet of jets with missiles, tanks, rocket launchers to protect myself (or even just for kicks)? Hell, with the way wage disparity is headed in this country, the rich should seriously consider protecting themselves with tanks and private armies.
    I don't know if anyone saying there should be no restrictions, just not ridiculous or infringing ones....and people's definition of ridiculous and infringing is what is in argument. Banning a semi-automatic rifle is ridiculous in my opinion. If you want to start arguing that tanks and jets should be restricted to the military, then go for it...but it would only be opposed by the extreme. That's why it's a false equivalency. It's like me turning it around and saying "let's ban water guns since you want to ban stuff". There are extreme differences between an ar-15 and tank and there are extreme differences from an ar-15 to a water gun.
    Now you're comparing apples and oranges when you talk about water pistols. Which, incidentally require something like a bright orange tip to specifically distinguish them from real guns.

    Let's say I make $50K per year. And I buy a $500 gun. That's 1% of my income.

    Last year Bill Gates fortune went from $75 billion to $86 billion. 1% of that is $110 million dollars. Which is roughly the cost of a brand new F-35. Why shouldn't he be able to purchase one if he can afford it?

    Because all the surplus F-35's go straight to Israel on OUR dime. Good Night and good Luck

    "Apology made to whoever it pleases, still they got me like Jesus." Chuck D
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,477
    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    Bernie or Hillary would give it to them for free.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,477

    unsung said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.
    The narrative at play is righties taking one anecdotal story and then generalizing from there. A 12 gauge is more practical because the shooter is more likely to hit the other person, and misses won't go ripping into the neighbors house.
    I will use what I want and I do not need govt or your permission to make that decision for me.

    Thanksverymuch.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,477
    CM189191 said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    the 2nd Amendment guarantees your right to own guns if you can afford them or not is your issue, but if past presidents can hand out cell phones why not issue each American citizen a SW 9mm on their 18th birthday ?...now everybody is covered.

    Or more logically, the 2nd Amendment was referring to a well-regulated militia, which would make more sense.
    I am in a militia. My State Constitution says so.

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,477
    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

    "The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

    A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.
    Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.
    How is this a false equivalency? Let's say I'm loaded ass rich and own acres of land. Maybe my own island? Why wouldn't I want my own fleet of jets with missiles, tanks, rocket launchers to protect myself (or even just for kicks)? Hell, with the way wage disparity is headed in this country, the rich should seriously consider protecting themselves with tanks and private armies.
    I don't know if anyone saying there should be no restrictions, just not ridiculous or infringing ones....and people's definition of ridiculous and infringing is what is in argument. Banning a semi-automatic rifle is ridiculous in my opinion. If you want to start arguing that tanks and jets should be restricted to the military, then go for it...but it would only be opposed by the extreme. That's why it's a false equivalency. It's like me turning it around and saying "let's ban water guns since you want to ban stuff". There are extreme differences between an ar-15 and tank and there are extreme differences from an ar-15 to a water gun.
    Now you're comparing apples and oranges when you talk about water pistols. Which, incidentally require something like a bright orange tip to specifically distinguish them from real guns.

    Let's say I make $50K per year. And I buy a $500 gun. That's 1% of my income.

    Last year Bill Gates fortune went from $75 billion to $86 billion. 1% of that is $110 million dollars. Which is roughly the cost of a brand new F-35. Why shouldn't he be able to purchase one if he can afford it?

    Let him, I have no problem with the purchase of the aircraft.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,032
    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.
    The narrative at play is righties taking one anecdotal story and then generalizing from there. A 12 gauge is more practical because the shooter is more likely to hit the other person, and misses won't go ripping into the neighbors house.
    I will use what I want and I do not need govt or your permission to make that decision for me.

    Thanksverymuch.
    Don't worry, we're still free to make a lot of stupid choices.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 12,283
    CM189191 said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    the 2nd Amendment guarantees your right to own guns if you can afford them or not is your issue, but if past presidents can hand out cell phones why not issue each American citizen a SW 9mm on their 18th birthday ?...now everybody is covered.

    Or more logically, the 2nd Amendment was referring to a well-regulated militia, which would make more sense.
    Isn't it funny how the well-regulated militia part is oft-forgotten?
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
    as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
  • PP193448PP193448 Springboro, OHPosts: 3,834
    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

    "The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

    A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.
    Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.
    The AR-15 is basically marketed as a weapon of war that you (YES YOU!) can legally own, because they made it semi-automatic.
    They do sell kits to convert a semi automatic AR 15 to fully automatic. You can legally buy both the kit and the gun, but you cannot "legally" convert it... so I'm sure everyone abides by this law...
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,477
    Post link to said kit.
  • PP193448PP193448 Springboro, OHPosts: 3,834
    edited March 2017
    unsung said:

    Post link to said kit.

    Look up ar full auto (parts kit) at gunbroker site. I thought about buying one for mine, but why do I need it??? I thought. Better safe not getting it in case they want to somehow crack down on it in the future...
    One of my relatives got one for a Colt for around $150
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  • unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    Bernie or Hillary would give it to them for free.
    You tipped your hat again.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,477

    unsung said:

    unsung said:

    PJPOWER said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

    The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

    Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
    That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.
    The narrative at play is righties taking one anecdotal story and then generalizing from there. A 12 gauge is more practical because the shooter is more likely to hit the other person, and misses won't go ripping into the neighbors house.
    I will use what I want and I do not need govt or your permission to make that decision for me.

    Thanksverymuch.
    Don't worry, we're still free to make a lot of stupid choices.
    As we should be.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,477

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    Bernie or Hillary would give it to them for free.
    You tipped your hat again.
    Just stating the truth. Promises promises. Free free.
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 3,832
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

    ftfy

    There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?
    the 2nd Amendment guarantees your right to own guns if you can afford them or not is your issue, but if past presidents can hand out cell phones why not issue each American citizen a SW 9mm on their 18th birthday ?...now everybody is covered.

    Or more logically, the 2nd Amendment was referring to a well-regulated militia, which would make more sense.
    I am in a militia. My State Constitution says so.

    We've been over this. If you're in a militia, then you can store your constitutionally protected armaments down at the armory with everyone else.
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