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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 24,301
    so now, the phils might be in on BOTH manny and bryce? more power to ya!
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 24,301
    Wobbie said:
    Friday random shit of the day when work is slow and you've read all of the internet:

    Totally forgot about this website. - http://www.fivehorizons.com/

    This was the go-to, and http://www.theskyiscrape.com/ (along with the RM forum), probably was the last time I super pumped for an album and waited with baited breath was for 'Riot Act'. Then you get old. Que sera sera.
    Five Horizons. Man, that takes me back. I used to look at that site on a daily basis back in college. Reviews/setlists of every show. So much quality info. Learned so much about this band from that website. Good stuff.

    Giventopost.com was short lived but a good board too about 10 years ago-ish

    giventopost was a shit show....as I remember, you and ziggystar were trying to outsexualtension each other....I did not like that chick. 
    Nah I think you're confusing me with someone else
    That place was a lot of fun though. 

    pretty sure it was you.

    you’re lucky I’m not tech savvy enough to dig up your old skeletons.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • cutzcutz Posts: 7,705
    Details for the other teams are here:   https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1642132


    5 possible landing spots for Manny Machado
    6h ago
    Rob Tringali / Major League Baseball / Getty
    LOS ANGELES CA - OCTOBER 28 Manny Machado 8 of the Los Angeles Dodgers reacts after striking out in the fourth inning during Game 5 of the 2018 World Series against the Boston Red Sox at Dodger Stadium on Sunday October 28 2018 in Los Angeles California

    Manny Machado could be on the verge of signing the most lucrative contract in baseball history.

    The 26-year-old shortstop/third baseman starred for seven seasons in Baltimore before completing 2018 in Los Angeles, where he appeared in his first World Series.

    Since his 2012 debut, the four-time All-Star and two-time Gold Glove winner positioned himself among baseball's elite with 175 home runs, 211 doubles, and 513 RBIs while posting an .822 OPS.

    Despite his antics during the postseason - which included questionable slides, sign stealing, dust-ups with opposing players, and apparent crotch shakes - multiple teams will vie for his services.

    Here are five possible landing spots for Machado.

    Philadelphia Phillies (Odds +150)

    After an encouraging season, the Phillies are in a good position to spend in free agency - they're also expected to be major players for Bryce Harper and Patrick Corbin - and Machado looks like a perfect fit for their team.

    This wouldn't be their first time showing interest in the infielder either. Before Machado landed in Los Angeles, Philly was listed as his most likely trade destination, and reportedly offered Baltimore its top pitching prospect.

    The Phillies still need a difference-maker on the left side of the infield, and they have a lot of money to work with (their payroll is at $68.9 million before arbitration).

    The NL East lacks a clear-cut best team, but acquiring Machado would make the Phillies front-runners.



    New York Yankees (Odds +300)

    Chicago White Sox (Odds N/A)

    St. Louis Cardinals (Odds N/A)

    Miami Marlins (Odds +800)

  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
    CIGAR MONEY

    Make it happen, Johnny.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 27,012
    CIGAR MONEY

    Make it happen, Johnny.
    Cigar money is cute  :)
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
    CIGAR MONEY

    Make it happen, Johnny.
    Cigar money is cute  :)
    It's downright sexy.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 27,012
    I think this probably happens. Makes too much sense, but you should have seen this guy the night the Stanton rumors started coming through. Dude is mush
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,023
    Is this a good thing? He looked awful last year. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
    Is this a good thing? He looked awful last year. 
    Well it was a down year for him, yeah, but awful? 249 avg, 389 obp, 496 slg, 889 ops, 34 hrs, and he led the league in walks. Other than average, those are career numbers for most of the league. 

    He's only 26 and should be a top 5-ish player in the game for most of the next decade. I'd do this in a heart beat. 
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  • JK_LivinJK_Livin South JerseyPosts: 6,683
    Is this a good thing? He looked awful last year. 
    Well it was a down year for him, yeah, but awful? 249 avg, 389 obp, 496 slg, 889 ops, 34 hrs, and he led the league in walks. Other than average, those are career numbers for most of the league. 

    He's only 26 and should be a top 5-ish player in the game for most of the next decade. I'd do this in a heart beat. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,087
    Yeah, "awful" is more than a bit of a stretch. Trying not to get my hopes up. I'm going to be the first in line to go from talking soooo much shit on this dude for being a huge douche to instantly falling in love.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,023
    Yeah you're right, "awful" for him but certainly an outlier type of season. Hey, maybe he won't be as expensive to sign because of his down year. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,087
    Hahah, here's hoping.... but also depends if you think 350-400M is "cheap".
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 8,859
    Is this a good thing? He looked awful last year. 
    Well it was a down year for him, yeah, but awful? 249 avg, 389 obp, 496 slg, 889 ops, 34 hrs, and he led the league in walks. Other than average, those are career numbers for most of the league. 

    He's only 26 and should be a top 5-ish player in the game for most of the next decade. I'd do this in a heart beat. 
    i don't think he's a top 5-ish player.  i'd still sign him but let's not put him in that category.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 14,222
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 27,012
    The thing with Harper is, players like that don't often just hit the market.  Who was the last player in either of these guys class to be a free agent? Cano?  He has wasn't 26 either

    Always nice when it just costs money to get a player.  Aren't you glad the Phillies didn't trade their best pitching prospect for Manny mid-season given how everything played out?  Then have to try to re-sign him

  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,087
    The thing with Harper is, players like that don't often just hit the market.  Who was the last player in either of these guys class to be a free agent? Cano?  He has wasn't 26 either

    Always nice when it just costs money to get a player.  Aren't you glad the Phillies didn't trade their best pitching prospect for Manny mid-season given how everything played out?  Then have to try to re-sign him

    I think I read it's only like the 4th time a player at that age has hit the market?

    Absolutely. Though, hindsight of course makes me wish they did something more before the deadline, especially knowing how little the Cubs gave up for Hamels.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 27,012
    The thing with Harper is, players like that don't often just hit the market.  Who was the last player in either of these guys class to be a free agent? Cano?  He has wasn't 26 either

    Always nice when it just costs money to get a player.  Aren't you glad the Phillies didn't trade their best pitching prospect for Manny mid-season given how everything played out?  Then have to try to re-sign him

    I think I read it's only like the 4th time a player at that age has hit the market?

    Absolutely. Though, hindsight of course makes me wish they did something more before the deadline, especially knowing how little the Cubs gave up for Hamels.
    Not surprised.  Not many players have come up at 20 in the free agent era.

    Yeah, I hear you.  You're know what I'm saying though.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,087
    edited November 8
    Yeah - don't know if anyone was talking about it in the MLB thread, but I enjoyed this article a lot: https://theathletic.com/638837/2018/11/07/boras-on-free-agency-his-company-and-the-ethics-of-an-agent-becoming-mets-gm/

    I actually think I like Scott Boras. Dude's not wrong - MLB teams revenue has doubled in a decade and a player's salaries haven't followed with it. So, yeah, I'd say Harper should be getting like $600M.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
    Yeah - don't know if anyone was talking about it in the MLB thread, but I enjoyed this article a lot: https://theathletic.com/638837/2018/11/07/boras-on-free-agency-his-company-and-the-ethics-of-an-agent-becoming-mets-gm/

    I actually think I like Scott Boras. Dude's not wrong - MLB teams revenue has doubled in a decade and a player's salaries haven't followed with it. So, yeah, I'd say Harper should be getting like $600M.
    $400M is a steal. CIGAR MONEY!
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 27,012
    Yeah - don't know if anyone was talking about it in the MLB thread, but I enjoyed this article a lot: https://theathletic.com/638837/2018/11/07/boras-on-free-agency-his-company-and-the-ethics-of-an-agent-becoming-mets-gm/

    I actually think I like Scott Boras. Dude's not wrong - MLB teams revenue has doubled in a decade and a player's salaries haven't followed with it. So, yeah, I'd say Harper should be getting like $600M.
    Yeah, that's good stuff and the first section is all about the Yankees.

    Boras is the man.  Give the players the money.  
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 14,222
    Yeah - don't know if anyone was talking about it in the MLB thread, but I enjoyed this article a lot: https://theathletic.com/638837/2018/11/07/boras-on-free-agency-his-company-and-the-ethics-of-an-agent-becoming-mets-gm/

    I actually think I like Scott Boras. Dude's not wrong - MLB teams revenue has doubled in a decade and a player's salaries haven't followed with it. So, yeah, I'd say Harper should be getting like $600M.
    I signed up for the service after hearing you guys chatter about it for a while.  Enjoying it so far.
    Interesting, the methods he uses.
    Would be interested to see the actual #s that he is using.  Looked up a few out of curiosity. 

    A quick search for Top/Bottom/Reds payrolls over time.  (Included Reds since that is 'my team' and I was curious...as well as Phils, since this is Philly thread)

    Opening Day Payrolls, per this site:

    Average Team Revenues, per this article:


    2018
    Top Payroll - Red Sox - $235MM
    Low Payroll - As (wow!) - $68MM
    Phillies - $96MM
    Reds - $101MM
    Average Team Revenue (2017, no data for 18 yet) - $315MM

    2008
    Top Payroll - Yanks - $209MM
    Low Payroll - Marlins - $21MM
    Phillies - $98MM
    Reds - $74MM
    Average Team Revenue  - $193MM

    2003
    Top Payroll - Yanks - $152MM
    Low Payroll - Rays - $19MM
    Phillies - $70MM
    Reds - $59MM
    Average Team Revenue - $129MM

    There are lots of questions around what his statement really means....but we can see the average a team makes (if these are real numbers) has gone up almost 2.5x in the past 15 years. 
    I dont think that means the player spending should go up 2.5x (owners should be able to make more if they are running a better business) but it does seem crazy that the As can spend $68MM this season and contend....and make many x more than that. 

    Interesting, regardless.






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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 27,012
    I don't understand the signing.  I don't think the Yanks beat the Indians if they have a healthy Santana and he is a fine player, but seems like a really odd signing for where this team is.

    Again, pushing your best prospect to his 2nd position. 
    Yep...
  • cutzcutz Posts: 7,705
    https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1654907

    Phillies owner ready to spend: 'Maybe even be a little bit stupid about it'
    5h ago
    Dustin Bradford / Getty Images Sport / Getty
    DENVER CO - SEPTEMBER 30 Bryce Harper 34 of the Washington Nationals hits a ninth inning double against the Colorado Rockies at Coors Field on September 30 2018 in Denver Colorado

    The Philadelphia Phillies are prepared to loosen the purse strings this winter.

    "We're going into this expecting to spend money," team president John Middleton told Bob Nightengale of USA TODAY. "And maybe even be a little bit stupid about it. We just prefer not to be completely stupid."

    The Phillies are rumored to be interested in all three of the top free agents on the market: outfielder Bryce Harper, shortstop Manny Machado, and starter Patrick Corbin, with several rival executives believing the club could sign two of the trio. All three are expected to entertain nine-figure overtures, with Harper and Machado potentially looking at record-breaking deals.

    When asked about the possibility of spending upwards of $700 million on two of the top free agents, Middleton stayed mum.

    "I don't know who you're referring to," the Phillies owner said. "But we will be spending."

    Philadelphia currently has $68.9 million in guaranteed payroll heading into the 2019 season, a lower total than the division rival Washington Nationals and New York Mets.

  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,992
    STUPID CIGAR MONEY.
    SIGN ALL OF THEM.
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 29,371
    Not interested in Machado anymore?
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,087
    Interested in all of them. Harper more so than Machado.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,087
    Went down to 9th Street to pick up a turkey and some produce. There was a line at South Philly Barbacoa at fucking 10AM.
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