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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,722
    Can we just skip ahead to Cavs-Warriors already.  These playoffs have been awful.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,416
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
    You could put him on any team in the west and it'd be same thing.

    Everyone has been complaining about his "killer instinct"?  Yeah, I think he's found it...
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,412
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
    You could put him on any team in the west and it'd be same thing.

    Everyone has been complaining about his "killer instinct"?  Yeah, I think he's found it...
    First time we agree!!..thats the point, let him score 40-45, i don't care..do a good job on the others..score more easy..
    tonight is the key game..
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,416
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
    You could put him on any team in the west and it'd be same thing.

    Everyone has been complaining about his "killer instinct"?  Yeah, I think he's found it...
    Probably would've been eliminated by the Mavs, Spurs, or Warriors at least once in the last 6 years.  Oh wait, he was!  By all three!
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
    You could put him on any team in the west and it'd be same thing.

    Everyone has been complaining about his "killer instinct"?  Yeah, I think he's found it...
    Probably would've been eliminated by the Mavs, Spurs, or Warriors at least once in the last 6 years.  Oh wait, he was!  By all three!
    aaaaand he's also beat all those teams in the finals too sans the Mavs.  They caught lightning in a bottle that series...
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,416
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
    You could put him on any team in the west and it'd be same thing.

    Everyone has been complaining about his "killer instinct"?  Yeah, I think he's found it...
    Probably would've been eliminated by the Mavs, Spurs, or Warriors at least once in the last 6 years.  Oh wait, he was!  By all three!
    aaaaand he's also beat all those teams in the finals too sans the Mavs.  They caught lightning in a bottle that series...
    Point is, put him in the Western Conference and it wouldn't be the same thing.  There's actually competition over there.  The EC is a joke.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
    You could put him on any team in the west and it'd be same thing.

    Everyone has been complaining about his "killer instinct"?  Yeah, I think he's found it...
    Probably would've been eliminated by the Mavs, Spurs, or Warriors at least once in the last 6 years.  Oh wait, he was!  By all three!
    aaaaand he's also beat all those teams in the finals too sans the Mavs.  They caught lightning in a bottle that series...
    Point is, put him in the Western Conference and it wouldn't be the same thing.  There's actually competition over there.  The EC is a joke.
    No true about Lebron.  Put him on any WC team and it's instant title contender.  He's that good.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,416
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
    You could put him on any team in the west and it'd be same thing.

    Everyone has been complaining about his "killer instinct"?  Yeah, I think he's found it...
    Probably would've been eliminated by the Mavs, Spurs, or Warriors at least once in the last 6 years.  Oh wait, he was!  By all three!
    aaaaand he's also beat all those teams in the finals too sans the Mavs.  They caught lightning in a bottle that series...
    Point is, put him in the Western Conference and it wouldn't be the same thing.  There's actually competition over there.  The EC is a joke.
    No true about Lebron.  Put him on any WC team and it's instant title contender.  He's that good.
    Not denying that.  Just saying it's a hell of a lot easier to get thru the East than the West.  Put Lebron in the West I have no doubt his team makes the playoffs, even wins a Championship or 3, but it's highly unlikely he makes 6 (soon to be 7) straight finals appearances.  And if he did manage to pull that off, he'd have 6 or 7 straight Championships because he'd be facing trash Eastern Conference teams in the Finals.  Hard to deny that the Spurs, Warriors, Thunder, & Rockets would ALL roll over any other Eastern Conf team that Lebron doesn't play for.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    23scidoo said:
    Wobbie said:
    lebron is clowning these guys.
    is anyone can stop him??
    Not in the complete joke that is the Eastern Conference.
    You could put him on any team in the west and it'd be same thing.

    Everyone has been complaining about his "killer instinct"?  Yeah, I think he's found it...
    Probably would've been eliminated by the Mavs, Spurs, or Warriors at least once in the last 6 years.  Oh wait, he was!  By all three!
    aaaaand he's also beat all those teams in the finals too sans the Mavs.  They caught lightning in a bottle that series...
    Point is, put him in the Western Conference and it wouldn't be the same thing.  There's actually competition over there.  The EC is a joke.
    No true about Lebron.  Put him on any WC team and it's instant title contender.  He's that good.
    Not denying that.  Just saying it's a hell of a lot easier to get thru the East than the West.  Put Lebron in the West I have no doubt his team makes the playoffs, even wins a Championship or 3, but it's highly unlikely he makes 6 (soon to be 7) straight finals appearances.  And if he did manage to pull that off, he'd have 6 or 7 straight Championships because he'd be facing trash Eastern Conference teams in the Finals.  Hard to deny that the Spurs, Warriors, Thunder, & Rockets would ALL roll over any other Eastern Conf team that Lebron doesn't play for.
    Thunder and Rockets would be fun to watch in the east but they aren't even on par with the warriors and Spurs.  Those two teams are still a few parts short.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    There's no one in the West that's very good other than GS when Leonard went down.  This isn't a hard road for the warriors. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    mrussel1 said:
    There's no one in the West that's very good other than GS when Leonard went down.  This isn't a hard road for the warriors. 
    I agree with this.

    Wondering what free agency will do the next few years?  Shake things up some?

    Wall, Griffin, George, Paul, Hayward...

    Things might get interesting!
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19422301
    Stephen A hits on what @mrussel1 was saying and I agree.

    If this is the product the NBA is giving it's bad, BUT if the great NBA teams play half/assed through out the regular season then this is what the game is.

    You can draft all you want like the 76ers, Clippers and Brooklyn and still won't go anywhere...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,121
    Celtics gonna need more free draft picks!


  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,121
    At this point they should cancel the rest of the conference finals and go straight into the NBA finals ...
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,416
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    Cavs, GS and Spurs.  Everyone else is a second class citizen.

    Who is the next best player in the east?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    Cavs, GS and Spurs.  Everyone else is a second class citizen.

    Who is the next best player in the east?
    Spurs lose Leonard and they fall apart.  How are they a great team with that?  I'm not arguing that seeds 2-4 are better or equal in the East, but what's really the difference who has a better #3 when they don't have a chance to get by the Cavs or Warriors?  It's completely irrelevant who has better second class citizens.
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,412
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    why is this happening??..its matter of money, of picks, of what??..

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,600
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    why is this happening??..its matter of money, of picks, of what??..

    Lots of theories... one is that after the Dream Team in 92, the players started to get to know each other better and don't hate each other like they did in previous generations.  They hang out in the summer, vacation, etc. and so the relationships have changed.  Couple that with the obscene money they make both in contracts and endorsements, and it gives them the flexibility to take less to play together.  Golden State lucked into their situation because they don't have four max contracts.  Curry and Green are on relatively small contracts.  We'll see if they stay together. Plus...players want to win championships.  It's funny how in baseball the criticism is that the players are chasing the money, not the WS ring.  But NBA players are being criticized for the opposite.  
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,412
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    why is this happening??..its matter of money, of picks, of what??..

    Lots of theories... one is that after the Dream Team in 92, the players started to get to know each other better and don't hate each other like they did in previous generations.  They hang out in the summer, vacation, etc. and so the relationships have changed.  Couple that with the obscene money they make both in contracts and endorsements, and it gives them the flexibility to take less to play together.  Golden State lucked into their situation because they don't have four max contracts.  Curry and Green are on relatively small contracts.  We'll see if they stay together. Plus...players want to win championships.  It's funny how in baseball the criticism is that the players are chasing the money, not the WS ring.  But NBA players are being criticized for the opposite.  
    Thanks for the info..
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    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    Cavs, GS and Spurs.  Everyone else is a second class citizen.

    Who is the next best player in the east?
    Spurs lose Leonard and they fall apart.  How are they a great team with that?  I'm not arguing that seeds 2-4 are better or equal in the East, but what's really the difference who has a better #3 when they don't have a chance to get by the Cavs or Warriors?  It's completely irrelevant who has better second class citizens.
    Take Lebron off the Cavs same thing.  

    Golden State loses Curry same thing.  Everything facilitates through him.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,850
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    why is this happening??..its matter of money, of picks, of what??..

    Lots of theories... one is that after the Dream Team in 92, the players started to get to know each other better and don't hate each other like they did in previous generations.  They hang out in the summer, vacation, etc. and so the relationships have changed.  Couple that with the obscene money they make both in contracts and endorsements, and it gives them the flexibility to take less to play together.  Golden State lucked into their situation because they don't have four max contracts.  Curry and Green are on relatively small contracts.  We'll see if they stay together. Plus...players want to win championships.  It's funny how in baseball the criticism is that the players are chasing the money, not the WS ring.  But NBA players are being criticized for the opposite.  
    Well for a while in MLB it was a win/win with joining the Yankees.  You got both money and a championship.

    I agree with GS getting very lucky.  Spurs were very lucky with their drafting also.  Robinson, Duncan, Parker, Ginoboli, hell Leonard they picked up from the D league, he wasn't even drafted.

    I also agreeing with the players getting more friendly and wanting to play with each other.  Watch old interviews with Bird, Magic, Jordan, Barkley and they all say the same thing, "I didn't want to be on their team, I wanted to compete against them"
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,382
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    Cavs, GS and Spurs.  Everyone else is a second class citizen.

    Who is the next best player in the east?

    maybe the greek freak?

    sure as fuck isn't paul george.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,400
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    why is this happening??..its matter of money, of picks, of what??..

    Lots of theories... one is that after the Dream Team in 92, the players started to get to know each other better and don't hate each other like they did in previous generations.  They hang out in the summer, vacation, etc. and so the relationships have changed.  Couple that with the obscene money they make both in contracts and endorsements, and it gives them the flexibility to take less to play together.  Golden State lucked into their situation because they don't have four max contracts.  Curry and Green are on relatively small contracts.  We'll see if they stay together. Plus...players want to win championships.  It's funny how in baseball the criticism is that the players are chasing the money, not the WS ring.  But NBA players are being criticized for the opposite.  
    I would also add in that the players get to know each other at a very early age now, because of the AAU Circuit. AAU is , for the most part,  National now so the players get to know each other in HS. Also with Social Media to stay in constant  contact. 
  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,400
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    why is this happening??..its matter of money, of picks, of what??..

    Lots of theories... one is that after the Dream Team in 92, the players started to get to know each other better and don't hate each other like they did in previous generations.  They hang out in the summer, vacation, etc. and so the relationships have changed.  Couple that with the obscene money they make both in contracts and endorsements, and it gives them the flexibility to take less to play together.  Golden State lucked into their situation because they don't have four max contracts.  Curry and Green are on relatively small contracts.  We'll see if they stay together. Plus...players want to win championships.  It's funny how in baseball the criticism is that the players are chasing the money, not the WS ring.  But NBA players are being criticized for the opposite.  
    Well for a while in MLB it was a win/win with joining the Yankees.  You got both money and a championship.

    I agree with GS getting very lucky.  Spurs were very lucky with their drafting also.  Robinson, Duncan, Parker, Ginoboli, hell Leonard they picked up from the D league, he wasn't even drafted.

    I also agreeing with the players getting more friendly and wanting to play with each other.  Watch old interviews with Bird, Magic, Jordan, Barkley and they all say the same thing, "I didn't want to be on their team, I wanted to compete against them"
    Yes, the Spurs did get Lucky on some of those players. Unless, it was great scouting? 

    Leonard was the 15th pick by the Pacers in the First round. He was traded to the Spurs in the George Hill deal, on draft night
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,412
    I WANT MY STICKER!!!!!!..LOL..
    no i don't..you know Tempo..
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    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,412
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    Cavs, GS and Spurs.  Everyone else is a second class citizen.

    Who is the next best player in the east?

    maybe the greek freak?

    sure as fuck isn't paul george.
    Hope he is Wobbie..
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,416
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I think the Celtics made my point Friday night.  The East is fucking trash.  A 1-seed losing by 40+.  What a fucking joke.
    How is the West materially better?  I don't think you've made the point.  The issue is that there's a super team out west and east.  No one had a chance against either of them.  
    why is this happening??..its matter of money, of picks, of what??..

    Lots of theories... one is that after the Dream Team in 92, the players started to get to know each other better and don't hate each other like they did in previous generations.  They hang out in the summer, vacation, etc. and so the relationships have changed.  Couple that with the obscene money they make both in contracts and endorsements, and it gives them the flexibility to take less to play together.  Golden State lucked into their situation because they don't have four max contracts.  Curry and Green are on relatively small contracts.  We'll see if they stay together. Plus...players want to win championships.  It's funny how in baseball the criticism is that the players are chasing the money, not the WS ring.  But NBA players are being criticized for the opposite.  
    Well for a while in MLB it was a win/win with joining the Yankees.  You got both money and a championship.

    I agree with GS getting very lucky.  Spurs were very lucky with their drafting also.  Robinson, Duncan, Parker, Ginoboli, hell Leonard they picked up from the D league, he wasn't even drafted.

    I also agreeing with the players getting more friendly and wanting to play with each other.  Watch old interviews with Bird, Magic, Jordan, Barkley and they all say the same thing, "I didn't want to be on their team, I wanted to compete against them"
    NBA in the 80s & 90s - "To be the man, you gotta beat the man."
    NBA in the 00s & 10s - "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em."
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