I'm looking for ten million Americans

aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
edited June 2013 in A Moving Train
Dear Patriot,

I'm looking for ten million Americans to stand with me and sue the federal government and TAKE BACK our rights.

Can I count on your help?

Without it, I truly fear where our fragile Republic could be headed . . .

Recent news reports revealed that Barack Obama's NSA is looking through billions of our emails and phone records every day.

So yesterday morning, in an interview on Fox News, I announced I would be asking Internet providers and phone companies to join me in a class-action lawsuit to STOP this madness.

But my friend, today I'm counting on your support, as well.

As you'll see, I've made up a Joining Statement for you to join my class-action lawsuit, and I'm counting on you to sign it IMMEDIATELY.

You see, I believe this is an absolutely critical and defining moment . . .

My hope is, it will be remembered for decades as the moment the American people stood up to their government and demanded our liberties be respected.

But I fear, without your help, it could be the moment the American people quietly shrank from a fight and gave their last bit of approval over for government-run lives.

I know there are those who argue Americans must give up every last one of their liberties to win our country's ongoing fight against terrorism.

"Trust us," they say.

I also know their promises of safety can be tantalizing.

But today we know President Obama's IRS routinely targeted his political opponents and grassroots conservatives.

The Justice Department targeted reporters and their families for wiretapping and harassment for daring to criticize the administration.

We see the Obama administration covering up Benghazi then tapping Susan Rice -- who helped mislead the American people in the wake of that outrage -- for a promotion.

"Trust us" is out the window.

And even if our rulers were angels -- and you and I had nothing to fear from an overbearing and intrusive government -- it doesn't even work.

One of my colleagues, defending this massive program, stated the recent Boston bombing proved why we need programs like this.

Actually, it proves quite the opposite.

Instead of acting on real intelligence warnings from at least one other nation about the dangers the Tsarnaev's posed, they were too busy secretly sifting through the phone and email records of hundreds of millions of Americans.

Instead of unreasonably targeting every American into a target for spying, they should be focusing on only the truly dangerous.

What's truly dangerous is if you and I allow this to go on.

How long until these spying capabilities suffer some "mission creep" and they start using the GPS feature in your phone to track whether or not you go to gun shows?

What if you go to the "wrong" church? Or read emails from or attend the rallies of the "wrong" candidate.

What if you go to McDonalds a little "too much?"
Rand Paul


How long until Big Brother tries to "fix" you?
http://www.randpacusa.com/nsa_lawsuit_signupPAC.aspx?pid=th03

I am not sure if I trust joining anything on the internet.
Just wondering what others think about a class action law suit....
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“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,500
    "Recent news reports revealed that Barack Obama's NSA is looking through billions of our emails and phone records every day."

    Reminds me of my last signature:

    "A leap of faith
    Or a jump of stupid
    Either way
    Don't know what I'm doing
    If you follow me around
    With your tape recorder
    I'm sure you'll got
    A load of footsteps."
    -Paul Westerberg.

    Seriously, unless you're doing something very wrong or very illegal, you're spending too much time worrying and/or in fear. Relax!

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  • JimmyVJimmyV BostonPosts: 6,044
    Honestly, much like the drone filibuster, I think this is littlemore than Rand trying to capitalize on an issue. I believe very little of what he says. But that's just my opinion.

    I did find this interesting:

    "Paid for by RAND PAC. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

    How is an email from Rand Paul not authorized by Rand Paul?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 10,663
    Just make a donation to the ACLU. They are already on it.
  • JimmyVJimmyV BostonPosts: 6,044
    Jason P" said:
    Just make a donation to the ACLU. They are already on it.
    Probably a much better play for anyone who is legitimately concerned.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 12,844
    JimmyV" said:
    Honestly, much like the drone filibuster, I think this is littlemore than Rand trying to capitalize on an issue. I believe very little of what he says. But that's just my opinion.

    I did find this interesting:

    "Paid for by RAND PAC. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

    How is an email from Rand Paul not authorized by Rand Paul?
    where was rand 12 years ago???


    :corn:


    this is just the first dogwhistle to get the tea party all fired up again.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 12,844
    i'm looking for 10 million americans....






















    to stop listening to alex jones and rush limbaugh and glen beck....
    "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed."- Hemingway

    "i'm not here to start the fire. i am here to fan the flames..."

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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    JimmyV" said:
    [quote="Jason P"]Just make a donation to the ACLU. They are already on it.
    Probably a much better play for anyone who is legitimately concerned.[/quote]

    Thanks
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27" said:
    i'm looking for 10 million americans....






















    to stop listening to alex jones and rush limbaugh and glen beck....
    I may not always agree with everyone here but I DO RESPECT everyone's opinions (well, not dorks) and I do value all advise.....the condescending remarks show a lack of maturity ....just my opinion though :x
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 6,290
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPROPosts: 122,853
    wait till fall tour tix announced..will be 700-800 members online that day!!
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  • JimmyVJimmyV BostonPosts: 6,044
    dimitrispearljam" said:
    wait till fall tour tix announced..will be 700-800 members online that day!!
    :lol:
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 12,844
    aerial" said:
    [quote="gimmesometruth27"]i'm looking for 10 million americans....






















    to stop listening to alex jones and rush limbaugh and glen beck....
    I may not always agree with everyone here but I DO RESPECT everyone's opinions (well, not dorks) and I do value all advise.....the condescending remarks show a lack of maturity ....just my opinion though :x[/quote]
    it is not condescending. it is calling out faux outrage when the same things were going on when republicans were in power. good for the goose, but not for the gander, eh?
    "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed."- Hemingway

    "i'm not here to start the fire. i am here to fan the flames..."

    "Honesty is a very expensive gift. Do not expect it from cheap people." - W. Buffet
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 6,290
    gimmesometruth27" said:
    it is not condescending. it is calling out faux outrage when the same things were going on when republicans were in power. good for the goose, but not for the gander, eh?

    Stop....you're talking too sensibly.
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  • normnorm I'm always home. I'm uncool.Posts: 30,049
    gimmesometruth27" said:
    it is not condescending. it is calling out faux outrage when the same things were going on when republicans were in power. good for the goose, but not for the gander, eh?
    exhibit a - sean hannity http://youtu.be/t27ie4qFlXM
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,915
    they didn't look through our e-mails. Verizon did not supply content, just the to and from and time and duration. grrrr.. the media tries so hard to scare you and fool you yet you are scared of the government

    be much more afraid of Fox News and its millions of people that believe what they are selling and what they are selling is deceipt and very dangerous
  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 2,488
    Abuskedti" said:
    they didn't look through our e-mails. Verizon did not supply content, just the to and from and time and duration. grrrr.. the media tries so hard to scare you and fool you yet you are scared of the government

    be much more afraid of Fox News and its millions of people that believe what they are selling and what they are selling is deceipt and very dangerous
    AMT is no place for you and your facts, please move along so the paranoid masses here can continue to live in the pretend "spy" movie they believe is our country.....
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 1,120
    aerial" said:
    [quote="gimmesometruth27"]i'm looking for 10 million americans....






















    to stop listening to alex jones and rush limbaugh and glen beck....
    I may not always agree with everyone here but I DO RESPECT everyone's opinions (well, not dorks) and I do value all advise.....the condescending remarks show a lack of maturity ....just my opinion though :x[/quote]

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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,295
    ofthegirl99" said:
    [quote="Abuskedti"]they didn't look through our e-mails. Verizon did not supply content, just the to and from and time and duration. grrrr.. the media tries so hard to scare you and fool you yet you are scared of the government

    be much more afraid of Fox News and its millions of people that believe what they are selling and what they are selling is deceipt and very dangerous
    AMT is no place for you and your facts, please move along so the paranoid masses here can continue to live in the pretend "spy" movie they believe is our country.....[/quote]


    tell me honestly, what about what the gov't has done and said in the past has led you to the point where you believe what they tell you now without what appears to be the slightest inkling of doubt?

    I doubt that this was done with nefarious intentions, doesn't mean I think it should be done. Dragnet surveillance is not a good road to go down. We will find out when the ACLU gets this to the supreme court how this will shake out...I am sure they will side with more erosion of the 4th and 5th amendments, it has been happening slowly for decades, no reason to stop it now...
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  • I think Rand Paul is annoying and politicizes everything.

    He is trying to bring Obama down on something that was not just him involved. It was a combination of two administrations and even Congress.

    I'm not defending Obama because he is a lying asshole on this issue, but Republicans are using this NSA thing to their advantage when it is the whole government involved.


    I kind of love this issue came out because we are seeing some Republicans and Democrats who support it and we are seeing a good number opposing it as well. Its not a clear cut division issue like usual. I heard one-third democrats are opposing it, which is different. Usually most support and back up Obama. To me we are seeing some true views coming out.
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    or you can come to terms and realize
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    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
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  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,915
    mikepegg44" said:
    [quote="ofthegirl99"][quote="Abuskedti"]they didn't look through our e-mails. Verizon did not supply content, just the to and from and time and duration. grrrr.. the media tries so hard to scare you and fool you yet you are scared of the government

    be much more afraid of Fox News and its millions of people that believe what they are selling and what they are selling is deceipt and very dangerous
    AMT is no place for you and your facts, please move along so the paranoid masses here can continue to live in the pretend "spy" movie they believe is our country.....[/quote]


    tell me honestly, what about what the gov't has done and said in the past has led you to the point where you believe what they tell you now without what appears to be the slightest inkling of doubt?

    I doubt that this was done with nefarious intentions, doesn't mean I think it should be done. Dragnet surveillance is not a good road to go down. We will find out when the ACLU gets this to the supreme court how this will shake out...I am sure they will side with more erosion of the 4th and 5th amendments, it has been happening slowly for decades, no reason to stop it now...[/quote]

    I don't know what you are referring to that I should or should not believe... I don't see a problem at all with their reviewing verizon records to see who is talking to who when. surely they are investigating many threats and leads and this information may help them make a connection. I think it a very serious problem to stir the nation is to a panic suggesting they are listening in on our conversations. Verizon did not give the content of any of those communications in the subpoena being spoken about now. I see absolutely no problem at all. in every court case including millions of divorces etc, they subpoena phone bills to prove adultry or some other thing.... how is it such a crime when the FBI does it to defend the nation from those that would do it harm.. just because it is on a larger scale? the job they do is on a larger scale.
    No I don't agree with or believe all that they tell me.... that is supposed to be handled by voting, but voting has been destroyed by all the misinformation fabricated by the media.. noone is informed, becasue we accept dishonest biased reporting.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 4,702
    mikepegg44" said:

    tell me honestly, what about what the gov't has done and said in the past has led you to the point where you believe what they tell you now without what appears to be the slightest inkling of doubt?

    I doubt that this was done with nefarious intentions, doesn't mean I think it should be done. Dragnet surveillance is not a good road to go down. We will find out when the ACLU gets this to the supreme court how this will shake out...I am sure they will side with more erosion of the 4th and 5th amendments, it has been happening slowly for decades, no reason to stop it now...
    Great points, Mike. Reasonable ones at that.

    I'm sure much more will be brought to light (it always is), but part of me had a problem with the outright lie that Clapper told when being questioned - (to paraphrase) "perhaps inadverdently gather the info, but not wittingly" (with total give-away body language).

    I appreciate that he's in a very difficult position, one I certainly don't envy, but it goes back to your first comment up there.
    For every mistake, we must surely be learning.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 11,947
    mikepegg44" said:
    tell me honestly, what about what the gov't has done and said in the past has led you to the point where you believe what they tell you now without what appears to be the slightest inkling of doubt?

    I doubt that this was done with nefarious intentions, doesn't mean I think it should be done. Dragnet surveillance is not a good road to go down. We will find out when the ACLU gets this to the supreme court how this will shake out...I am sure they will side with more erosion of the 4th and 5th amendments, it has been happening slowly for decades, no reason to stop it now...
    ...
    I doubt it will get to the Supreme Court... again. This has already been ruled on and the government can play the National security card... just like they did during the Bush Administration. That having to reveal state secrets in open court will jepordise National Security... when was the last time the Supreme Court ruled against the government on that? That's right, never.
    ...
    Again.. I have to ask the question. Where were all of those people who are pissed off today... in 2006, when the thing first surfaced and changed the law to make this type of activity legal/ Where were you FOX News? Where were you FOX News viewers? I'll tell you where you were... you were in FAVOR of these thing because you were afraid of scary Bin-Ladenman coming to build a mosque and kill you. I think it is ridiculous for the FOX News (and their audience) to act all concerned today, when they cheered on the erosion of our Fourth Amendment 7 years ago,
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 19,607
    ofthegirl99" said:
    AMT is no place for you and your facts, please move along so the paranoid masses here can continue to live in the pretend "spy" movie they believe is our country.....
    It has nothing to do with paranoia. The NSA has allegedly been recording every phone conversation and e-mail of every American citizen. I know you don't give a shit, but this erosion of privacy and civil liberties is a flagrant breach of the constitution. It could also have dire consequences further down the road. You think the U.S is immune to fascism? Think again.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,295
    Cosmo" said:
    [quote="mikepegg44"]tell me honestly, what about what the gov't has done and said in the past has led you to the point where you believe what they tell you now without what appears to be the slightest inkling of doubt?

    I doubt that this was done with nefarious intentions, doesn't mean I think it should be done. Dragnet surveillance is not a good road to go down. We will find out when the ACLU gets this to the supreme court how this will shake out...I am sure they will side with more erosion of the 4th and 5th amendments, it has been happening slowly for decades, no reason to stop it now...
    ...
    I doubt it will get to the Supreme Court... again. This has already been ruled on and the government can play the National security card... just like they did during the Bush Administration. That having to reveal state secrets in open court will jepordise National Security... when was the last time the Supreme Court ruled against the government on that? That's right, never.
    ...
    Again.. I have to ask the question. Where were all of those people who are pissed off today... in 2006, when the thing first surfaced and changed the law to make this type of activity legal/ Where were you FOX News? Where were you FOX News viewers? I'll tell you where you were... you were in FAVOR of these thing because you were afraid of scary Bin-Ladenman coming to build a mosque and kill you. I think it is ridiculous for the FOX News (and their audience) to act all concerned today, when they cheered on the erosion of our Fourth Amendment 7 years ago,[/quote]


    I agree.

    But the supreme court ruled on warrant-less wire taps with specific targets in mind. I don't believe they ruled on domestic only calls being dragnet surveilled and all logs being kept indefinitely. I could be wrong though. I don't think the ACLU would file suit if it was the same case already decided. But then again, they will file just about anything to keep watch dogging civil liberties.

    But foreign intelligence was the focus of the patriot act discussions. People were mocked and ridiculed for saying that it would come to this, because their guy was in charge. Where were all the democrats now defending the practice in 2006 when the patriot act and these practices were under fire from just about all on the left?

    I don't remember hearing a bunch of no big deals back then...ax...gored...that whole thing.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 11,947
    mikepegg44" said:
    I agree.

    But the supreme court ruled on warrant-less wire taps with specific targets in mind. I don't believe they ruled on domestic only calls being dragnet surveilled and all logs being kept indefinitely. I could be wrong though. I don't think the ACLU would file suit if it was the same case already decided. But then again, they will file just about anything to keep watch dogging civil liberties.

    But foreign intelligence was the focus of the patriot act discussions. People were mocked and ridiculed for saying that it would come to this, because their guy was in charge. Where were all the democrats now defending the practice in 2006 when the patriot act and these practices were under fire from just about all on the left?

    I don't remember hearing a bunch of no big deals back then...ax...gored...that whole thing.
    ..
    Those Democrats voted for the Patriot Act. To do otherwise was commiting political suicide.
    i'm not defending then, I am calling them out as cowards who were more worried about their careers in politics rather than upholding the oath they had sworn to.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 12,844
    yes, i think we have to keep in mind the frame of mind that the country was in at the time of the patriot act's implementation. i think we have lost sight of the patriotic ferver that everyone was in back then.

    that was at the same time people were telling people like me to get the hell out of the country for not supporting a free-for-all war in the middle east and for questioning the purpose of the patriot act, and questioning the federal government in general. people like me would get shouted down for asking questions against that mob mentality..

    it was treason to ask questions back then.

    anybody remember that?
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,295
    Cosmo" said:
    [quote="mikepegg44"]I agree.

    But the supreme court ruled on warrant-less wire taps with specific targets in mind. I don't believe they ruled on domestic only calls being dragnet surveilled and all logs being kept indefinitely. I could be wrong though. I don't think the ACLU would file suit if it was the same case already decided. But then again, they will file just about anything to keep watch dogging civil liberties.

    But foreign intelligence was the focus of the patriot act discussions. People were mocked and ridiculed for saying that it would come to this, because their guy was in charge. Where were all the democrats now defending the practice in 2006 when the patriot act and these practices were under fire from just about all on the left?

    I don't remember hearing a bunch of no big deals back then...ax...gored...that whole thing.
    ..
    Those Democrats voted for the Patriot Act. To do otherwise was commiting political suicide.
    i'm not defending then, I am calling them out as cowards who were more worried about their careers in politics rather than upholding the oath they had sworn to.[/quote]


    It would be so nice if politicians looked at it as a service rather than a career. It has caused a lot of good things that could have solved a lot of problems to be destroyed. I can't believe at the end of the day that those who made decisions like the one you are talking about can look at themselves in the mirror and say I did my best...
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 11,947
    mikepegg44" said:
    It would be so nice if politicians looked at it as a service rather than a career. It has caused a lot of good things that could have solved a lot of problems to be destroyed. I can't believe at the end of the day that those who made decisions like the one you are talking about can look at themselves in the mirror and say I did my best...
    ..
    I was angry about this in 2005 as I am now... I don't care which political party hold the White House, I care about my rights getting trampled because we cower like a bunch of pussies everytime we hear the word, 'Terrorist'. We have to come to the realization that terrorists are not eroding our freedoms... WE are eroding our freedoms. We are letting fear get the best of us and we need to finally man up and tell them that we are willing to take the risk of attacks over the stomping of the basic principles of our nation.
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  • London BridgeLondon Bridge Posts: 4,157
    Cosmo" said:
    [quote="mikepegg44"]It would be so nice if politicians looked at it as a service rather than a career. It has caused a lot of good things that could have solved a lot of problems to be destroyed. I can't believe at the end of the day that those who made decisions like the one you are talking about can look at themselves in the mirror and say I did my best...
    ..
    I was angry about this in 2005 as I am now... I don't care which political party hold the White House, I care about my rights getting trampled because we cower like a bunch of pussies everytime we hear the word, 'Terrorist'. We have to come to the realization that terrorists are not eroding our freedoms... WE are eroding our freedoms. We are letting fear get the best of us and we need to finally man up and tell them that we are willing to take the risk of attacks over the stomping of the basic principles of our nation.[/quote]

    :lol:
    With your statement, you just made it easier for terrorists to carry out their plans. They would love for us to stop surveillance activity. Another victory for them.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 11,947
    London Bridge" said:
    :lol:
    With your statement, you just made it easier for terrorists to carry out their plans. They would love for us to stop surveillance activity. Another victory for them.
    ...
    The victory for them is to have us alter our way of living to suit them. if you choose to live your life in fear, that's fine. I just don't want your fear to empower my government to erode away the rights of my nation.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
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