Bootlegs...Am I missing something?

EarlWelshEarlWelsh Buffalo, NYPosts: 560
edited May 2013 in The Porch
I've been spending days, if not weeks, searching for the perfect boot to use my code for. I narrowed it down to a number of shows between 2000-2003. When it came time to go to the shop for the download I noticed only the boots from 2008-2012 are available. Did I miss something? What gives? Not really worth complaining about, just curious.
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  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,669
    EarlWelsh" said:
    I've been spending days, if not weeks, searching for the perfect boot to use my code for. I narrowed it down to a number of shows between 2000-2003. When it came time to go to the shop for the download I noticed only the boots from 2008-2012 are available. Did I miss something? What gives? Not really worth complaining about, just curious.
    dude
    if you get something from 2008
    get columbia, sc
    2&1/2 hours and NO covers

    berlin 2010 is awesome as well
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 8,323
    Nope, those haven't been available for close to a decade. Good news is bootlegs from those years are fine to trade, and pretty easy to find around these parts. I don't have the link to dl, but someone that does will surely reply to this sooner than later.
  • javis el errantejavis el errante Posts: 4,449
    this is a bit related to what you are talking about, we could start a petition to make old boots back available, though we all know those bootlegs are being bootlegged constantly, and you know where to send an email in order to get the mp3 or the CD... btw, you could add your opinion in this thread viewtopic.php?f=4&t=207310&hilit=+rate and you can copy and paste what you wrote in that thread on the Let YOur Voice Be Heard thread as well... happy weekend...
    ... I am not in the business of being liked anymore ...

  • ZodZod Posts: 2,062
    edited May 2013
    The 2000 and 2003 tours were all done as silver pressed original cd's. (allthough the 2003 tour did include a low quality mp3 download shortly after the show).

    The 2004 tour wasn't released (the vfc tour). The 2005 tour was digital only as mp3, and 2006 as Flac and Mp3.

    There were finding their footing for those years. I think the current providers of the music files and burned bootlegs came about in 2008, so that's why they only go back that far.

    edit: to be fair it's not that card to rip digital copies from the cd's or find 05/06 digital files (from a different provider). You would think they could put them up, but I guess not.

    The good thing is they don't seemed to be too worried about making copies as they aren't for sale anymore. So you'll probably end up saving a few bux and finding them around for free.
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  • jumbojetjumbojet Posts: 1,311
    Oh, that is a serious frustration you are talking about that I have also gone through. I am not sure I have recovered fully from that.

    The good news is there are super cool guys here who go far out of their way to help you through it. I will try to copy & paste for you one thread that I think can help you with finding 2000/2003 boots.

    If you are into sing-alongs, you better get the newer bootlegs. 2010 boots are also good in terms of the band playing as tight as ever.
    EarlWelsh" said:
    I've been spending days, if not weeks, searching for the perfect boot to use my code for. I narrowed it down to a number of shows between 2000-2003. When it came time to go to the shop for the download I noticed only the boots from 2008-2012 are available. Did I miss something? What gives? Not really worth complaining about, just curious.
    What's your part, who you are?

    2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
    2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
    2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
  • jumbojetjumbojet Posts: 1,311
    OK, this is the thread I am talking about. It is named something as download all 2000 bootlegs from here. But there is also link to 2003 boots at the end, so go till the end.

    Oh and dont thank me, thank the cool guy who did that thread.

    viewtopic.php?f=4&t=194202
    jumbojet" said:

    I will try to copy & paste for you one thread that I think can help you with finding 2000/2003 boots.


    [/quote]
    What's your part, who you are?

    2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
    2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
    2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 8,323
    jumbojet" said:
    2010 boots are also good in terms of the band playing as tight as ever.

    :nono:
  • YieldToNothingYieldToNothing Posts: 3,662
    www.pearljambootlegs.org

    load up on your 2000 and 2003
    i have a paper here that entitles me to fast track status
  • jumbojetjumbojet Posts: 1,311
    Elaborate pls.
    DewieCox" said:
    [quote="jumbojet"]2010 boots are also good in terms of the band playing as tight as ever.

    :nono:[/quote]
    What's your part, who you are?

    2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
    2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
    2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
  • kjw818kjw818 Posts: 96
    jumbojet" said:
    Elaborate pls.

    [quote="DewieCox"][quote="jumbojet"]2010 boots are also good in terms of the band playing as tight as ever.

    :nono:[/quote][/quote]

    I won't speak for him, but i think the band's playing in 2010 was very sloppy.
  • jumbojetjumbojet Posts: 1,311
    OK, this is not the first time I observe in the forum this disapproving sentiment to newer work of the band. I think boston, ny msg 1-2, berlin shows are pretty not sloppy. I recently ordered newark and I am hopeful about that too.

    I am sure you have your own reasons. Every ear has its own veins and stuff. :corn: :idea:

    DewieCox" said:
    [quote="jumbojet"]2010 boots are also good in terms of the band playing as tight as ever.

    :nono:[/quote][/quote]

    I won't speak for him, but i think the band's playing in 2010 was very sloppy.[/quote]
    What's your part, who you are?

    2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
    2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
    2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
  • TxuriTxuri Posts: 15
    Try Argentina 2011
    Once
    Upon a time
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 8,323
    jumbojet" said:
    Elaborate pls.

    [quote="DewieCox"][quote="jumbojet"]2010 boots are also good in terms of the band playing as tight as ever.

    :nono:[/quote][/quote]

    The playing in 2010 wasn't as tight as they've ever been. 98-2003 jump out to me as an obviously tighter band. We don't have a ton of great quality examples, but alot of the early stuff was really tight as well. I think they've been on a steady decline since about 2006.
  • YieldToNothingYieldToNothing Posts: 3,662
    The playing in 2010 wasn't as tight as they've ever been. 98-2003 jump out to me as an obviously tighter band. We don't have a ton of great quality examples, but alot of the early stuff was really tight as well. I think they've been on a steady decline since about 2006.[/quote]

    2006 had some serious moments

    but you're right
    and tightness will suffer when there aren't as many dates. it takes like 7-10 shows for a touring band to start hitting its groove, but with the recent touring patterns, after that many shows, the tour is like 60% over.
    i have a paper here that entitles me to fast track status
  • jumbojetjumbojet Posts: 1,311
    OK, you "steady-decliner-since-2006-melancholy-types" have a strong lobby here so l will not argue.

    Maybe you have a point and maybe someday I will get where you are coming from. Until then, I will just assume you are biased or your ears are betraying you. :ugeek: :shock:
    YieldToNothing" said:
    The playing in 2010 wasn't as tight as they've ever been. 98-2003 jump out to me as an obviously tighter band. We don't have a ton of great quality examples, but alot of the early stuff was really tight as well. I think they've been on a steady decline since about 2006.
    2006 had some serious moments

    but you're right
    and tightness will suffer when there aren't as many dates. it takes like 7-10 shows for a touring band to start hitting its groove, but with the recent touring patterns, after that many shows, the tour is like 60% over.[/quote]
    What's your part, who you are?

    2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
    2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
    2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
  • Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Posts: 5,029
    here is a sample Deluna Fest 3012 the first 7 songs, the whole concert sounds great
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZmbnYs-N_4&list=PL9A00F7314885A11C&index=177
    Who is the bigger fool? The person who suffers in reality? Or the person who creates their own reality where they are happy all the time? -Hank Kershell 2013

    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9A00F7314885A11C
  • TamaDrummer91TamaDrummer91 Posts: 737
    I will agree with those mentioning how 2010 was a tight tour, not sloppy. Many shows from 2003 were fairly sloppy. I will concur that 08 and 09 are not the best tours, but 2010 felt like a rebirth of sorts. Ed's voice sounds a lot better in 2010 than it did the two years prior.

    Anywho, 2012 boots are amazing for the most part and its hard to go wrong. 2012 is easily the best sounding boots we have ever received. Berlin 2, Atlanta, and Pensacola 2012 get a lot of play on my phone. Great boots. Hard to be disappointed with those. Big bank hanks sample of deluna fest in Pensacola is a good example to check out.
    Bonnaroo 2008
    Bristow 2010
    Atlanta 2012
    Charlottesville 2013
    Charlotte 2013

    For your bootleg review needs or recommendations- http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
  • Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Posts: 5,029
    TamaDrummer91" said:
    I will agree with those mentioning how 2010 was a tight tour, not sloppy. Many shows from 2003 were fairly sloppy. I will concur that 08 and 09 are not the best tours, but 2010 felt like a rebirth of sorts. Ed's voice sounds a lot better in 2010 than it did the two years prior.

    Anywho, 2012 boots are amazing for the most part and its hard to go wrong. 2012 is easily the best sounding boots we have ever received. Berlin 2, Atlanta, and Pensacola 2012 get a lot of play on my phone. Great boots. Hard to be disappointed with those. Big bank hanks sample of deluna fest in Pensacola is a good example to check out.
    Vancouver 2009, and Austin City Limits 2009 are tremendous shows, by far the best from 2009 IMO
    Who is the bigger fool? The person who suffers in reality? Or the person who creates their own reality where they are happy all the time? -Hank Kershell 2013

    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9A00F7314885A11C
  • demetriosdemetrios CanadaPosts: 31,097
    EarlWelsh" said:
    I've been spending days, if not weeks, searching for the perfect boot to use my code for. I narrowed it down to a number of shows between 2000-2003. When it came time to go to the shop for the download I noticed only the boots from 2008-2012 are available. Did I miss something? What gives? Not really worth complaining about, just curious.
    I wonder if they will someday have available @ the 10club store just the '00 & '03 show's in Flac / MP3 format for download. The silver CD pressed CD's are sold out. Many year's back a few bootlegs from '03 were available for sale @ the 10club store. Less then a handful of them.

    For the time being if the '00 & '03 are what you are looking for there are many MANY fan sites that have their CD > Flac/Mp3 rips available for download, freely.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 8,323
    jumbojet" said:
    OK, you "steady-decliner-since-2006-melancholy-types" have a strong lobby here so l will not argue.

    Maybe you have a point and maybe someday I will get where you are coming from. Until then, I will just assume you are biased or your ears are betraying you. :ugeek: :shock:
    I don't have any reason to be biased. You think I want one of my favorite bands of all time to get sloppier?
    TamaDrummer91" said:
    I will agree with those mentioning how 2010 was a tight tour, not sloppy. Many shows from 2003 were fairly sloppy. I will concur that 08 and 09 are not the best tours, but 2010 felt like a rebirth of sorts. Ed's voice sounds a lot better in 2010 than it did the two years prior.

    Anywho, 2012 boots are amazing for the most part and its hard to go wrong. 2012 is easily the best sounding boots we have ever received. Berlin 2, Atlanta, and Pensacola 2012 get a lot of play on my phone. Great boots. Hard to be disappointed with those. Big bank hanks sample of deluna fest in Pensacola is a good example to check out.
    I just don't know what to say to the bolded part. I'm sure there were moments during the 03 tour that were rough, but I can only think of a few short moments that were as bad as a few of those Philly 09 shows and I don't think they were ever great outside of that one. And to me, the small gaffs in 03 are more forgivable with the chances they were taking on a night in night basis with the setlists.

    The more recent bootlegs do sound better than they were in 08 and 09, but the playing is still rushed and they're just not as tight as they were during their middle period. Still don't think the bootlegs sound as good as 2000 and 03, but they are close. Could be just an honest representation of how the band sounds, as they had a much thicker sound in 2003 than what they do now. The 08 and 09 bootlegs really suffer, though.
  • TamaDrummer91TamaDrummer91 Posts: 737
    TamaDrummer91" said:
    I will agree with those mentioning how 2010 was a tight tour, not sloppy. Many shows from 2003 were fairly sloppy. I will concur that 08 and 09 are not the best tours, but 2010 felt like a rebirth of sorts. Ed's voice sounds a lot better in 2010 than it did the two years prior.

    Anywho, 2012 boots are amazing for the most part and its hard to go wrong. 2012 is easily the best sounding boots we have ever received. Berlin 2, Atlanta, and Pensacola 2012 get a lot of play on my phone. Great boots. Hard to be disappointed with those. Big bank hanks sample of deluna fest in Pensacola is a good example to check out.
    I just don't know what to say to the bolded part. I'm sure there were moments during the 03 tour that were rough, but I can only think of a few short moments that were as bad as a few of those Philly 09 shows and I don't think they were ever great outside of that one. And to me, the small gaffs in 03 are more forgivable with the chances they were taking on a night in night basis with the setlists.

    The more recent bootlegs do sound better than they were in 08 and 09, but the playing is still rushed and they're just not as tight as they were during their middle period. Still don't think the bootlegs sound as good as 2000 and 03, but they are close. Could be just an honest representation of how the band sounds, as they had a much thicker sound in 2003 than what they do now. The 08 and 09 bootlegs really suffer, though.[/quote]

    I enjoy 2003 a lot, but shows like Fargo and west palm beach have their share of errors. Now, forgivable or not they are still errors that are noticeable. I'm not stating the 2003 tour is overall sloppy. I might classify 2008 in that manner. The Philly 09 shows are an overrated borderline disaster. I agree, sloppy as can be. I do however find 2010 to overall be about as tight as 2003.
    Bonnaroo 2008
    Bristow 2010
    Atlanta 2012
    Charlottesville 2013
    Charlotte 2013

    For your bootleg review needs or recommendations- http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
  • beanpj10beanpj10 Posts: 24
    a lot of 2000-03 boots are being upped to
    http://bt.etree.org/
    8/28/98, 9/8/98, 8/3/00, 8/23/00, 8/24/00,8/27/00
    9/1/00, 10/20/01, 10/21/01, 4/26/03, 4/28/03
    5/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/9/03, 7/14/03, 5/31/06
    6/3/06, 6/19/08, EV 8/7/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09,
    05/18/10, EV 6/18/11
  • jumbojetjumbojet Posts: 1,311
    Thank you for this.
    beanpj10" said:
    a lot of 2000-03 boots are being upped to
    http://bt.etree.org/
    What's your part, who you are?

    2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
    2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
    2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
  • jumbojetjumbojet Posts: 1,311
    Of course not. Come to think of it, maybe we are all biased. To the ones we first touched our hands. For me, it is the 2010 series. For you, might be 1998-2003 I guess. The first moment for all of us all. First feelings, love at first sight.

    No, that is not tears in my eyes, our neighbour is cooking a spicy meal, that's all it is.
    DewieCox" said:
    [quote="jumbojet"]

    Maybe you have a point and maybe someday I will get where you are coming from. Until then, I will just assume you are biased or your ears are betraying you. :ugeek: :shock:
    I don't have any reason to be biased. You think I want one of my favorite bands of all time to get sloppier?


    [.[/quote]
    What's your part, who you are?

    2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
    2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
    2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
  • CrookedTomCrookedTom Posts: 239
    dude
    if you get something from 2008
    get columbia, sc
    2&1/2 hours and NO covers

    berlin 2010 is awesome as well[/quote]


    I wouldn't touch anything post 2006 - All the best boots are from 2000 - 2006.
  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,128
    DewieCox" said:
    The playing in 2010 wasn't as tight as they've ever been. 98-2003 jump out to me as an obviously tighter band. We don't have a ton of great quality examples, but alot of the early stuff was really tight as well. I think they've been on a steady decline since about 2006.
    Probably because they are hardly together anymore to rehearse. I can see how doing other projects is more fun for them. When you play Even Flow over 2000 times in your career(practice and shows) it could get quite boring.
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